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Pham Nuwen posted:It is a little puzzling that, if you're gonna do everything with CGI anyway, you'd decide that 3 ships is a pretty good amount. Make a loving armada, you're just telling the CGI slaves to copy-paste a few times! Or write it so that it's a small expedition, as ACOUP notes. It's insane just how often this show feels like they went with their first idea for any given scene.
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Pham Nuwen posted:It is a little puzzling that, if you're gonna do everything with CGI anyway, you'd decide that 3 ships is a pretty good amount. Make a loving armada, you're just telling the CGI slaves to copy-paste a few times! yeah, what's the point of cgi if you aren't using it to make some amazing poo poo that you couldn't make with traditional means
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Some guy I watch play video games said there's realistic and there's authentic. I think we tend to mean authentic more often than realistic. Like something "feels right".
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Dec 17, 2022 18:13
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Split the difference and go for realism as an artistic expression, which is not inherently realistic but invokes the sense of being realistic.
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Dec 17, 2022 18:28
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ChubbyChecker posted:wasn't he like a singer too I think so yeah. He's got a great reading voice.
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Runcible Cat posted:There's realistic and there's realistic, though. He's using it to describe more a kind of... groundedness than the "hurr you've got magic and demigods and elves how's any of that realistic" realistic. Things like "getting to certain places is going to take a certain amount of time unless you specifically mention you're using a magic dingus to get there faster" and "come on, you're not going to fit 300 horses on that ship and if you are then show us them all trotting out of the Bag of Holding" and so on. Which makes sense; if a pyroclastic flow isn't going to Pompeii everything it touches why worry about it? It's just spectacle with no involvement, and if that's what they were going for then they should have gone in a drat sight harder on the spectacle. It's not as though the Sil's short on spectacle FFS! This is a good post because it covers some very "authentic" (to reference the last few posts) scenes and shots that could have added immensely to the texture of the show if only they'd been planned that way at the storyboard phase. Which makes me think a lot of the lack of quote-unquote "realism" is a lack of imagination on the part of the filmmakers. Certainly there are things that are really difficult/expensive/unfeasible to do on any kind of budget; like, go up to an animator with a set of boards that say "And then the armies collide" and then duck because you'll be getting animation discs slung at your throat. But this show could have planned shots like the Ride of the Rohirrim with the amount of budget behind it, and clearly they had the ability to stage shots like that because they tried their damnedest to ape the Jackson shot. But a few more, perhaps less obvious shots, used in the right places, like the horses being driven out of the ships' holds (even if the ships were CGI) would have added a whole lot to the "populatedness" texture of the world, as would have a few shots of other towns and villages even if just populated with CGI humans. All it really took was being able to plan some good, effective establishing shots from the outset, and the resources they had available could have made them happen.
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It honestly feels very cargo cultish to me. Like, they have to budget to do some real big things, but don't seem to understand why those things should be in the show or how to connect them together. Individual parts are very good, but it doesn't cling together.
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Dec 18, 2022 03:40
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has a massive budget ever been wasted like this?
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ChubbyChecker posted:has a massive budget ever been wasted like this? The biggest budget movie ever* is still the 4th Pirates of the Caribbean film.
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Dec 18, 2022 13:30
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Star Wars went from one trilogy to three.
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ChubbyChecker posted:has a massive budget ever been wasted like this? The Hobbit movies. I said what I said.
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at least i remember more than 3 scenes from the hobbit movies
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Shibawanko posted:at least i remember more than 3 scenes from the hobbit movies Yeah but I bet that at least two of those sucked. keep punching joe fucked around with this message at 17:25 on Dec 18, 2022 |
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Doctor Spaceman posted:The biggest budget movie ever* is still the 4th Pirates of the Caribbean film. i watched that in a movie theater, and didn't feel disappointed or having been cheated out of my money. it wasn't a spectacular movie, but still ok i didn't have high hoped about the lotr show, but it still managed to disapoint. tbf, i didn't feel cheated, because i didn't pay anything to amazon Oracle posted:The Hobbit movies. Siivola posted:Star Wars went from one trilogy to three. at least the effects looked expensive and fit the films, even if the movies sucked otherwise
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keep punching joe posted:Yeah but I bet that at least two of those sucked. i think the great goblin was cool
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Galadriel going horrorshow mode is still one of my favorite scenes from the Hobbit movies because I have no taste whatsoever. On the other hand that's from the third movie, of which my most vivid image is the woman next to me in the cinema asking me how long this is gonna take after half an hour. Next time i glanced over, she had curled up into a fetal position in her seat and was snoring.
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Yeah both House of the Dragon and Rings of Power largely have scenes comprising a handful of characters who supposedly exist in these well populated kingdoms. Neither of them show huge numbers of people on these military expeditions that are supposed to be a momentous effort. The difference is that House of the Dragon puts in the very minimal effort to just have characters say stuff like "I'm sending 10,000 men!" and we can just take them at their word. Rings of Power has Numenor at the height of greatness and: - They are going on a military expedition. - It is apparently extremely small (3 ships!!!!!) yet they still don't have enough soldiers to fill it, so much that there are scenes of market-women enlisting in the military for an expedition which apparently leaves in just a few days. It costs absolutely zero dollars to just have them say they are sending 30,000 guys on a hundred ships, and if you really want them to be outnumbered underdogs you can also include throwaway lines about the fleet getting scattered by a storm or something. The kingdom they are rescuing is also apparently made up of two total villages, no other people living in this kingdom are mentioned and they act like they have already won the war by chasing a small band of orcs out of a single tiny village. It's just bizarre they spend a billion dollars and couldn't just mention their vast armies if they didn't want the CGI guys to copy/paste some loving boats as specks in the distance. People have pulled this stuff off with miniscule budgets in the past.
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House of the Dragon is also a court drama while Rings of Power wants to do court drama, quaint hobbit adventure, buddy cop banter and sweeping fantasy
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It's been a very long time since I've watched the Theatrical Cuts of the trilogy but Crave has been playing a marathon all day. They're still surprisingly good and I do prefer some of the original takes that were used in Return of the King over the alternate takes from the extended edition. Gandalf is much less of a dick to Pippin in some scenes of the theatrical version. And I'm still watery-eyed at the Grey Havens scene. I will not say do not weep, for not all tears are an evil. I remember the behind the scenes footage where all the other actors wanted to murder Sean Astin because they'd been so emotionally drained from filming the scene, they'd just done a take that nailed it, and then got told they had to do another take because he'd put his costume on wrong.
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Arc Hammer posted:I remember the behind the scenes footage where all the other actors wanted to murder Sean Astin because they'd been so emotionally drained from filming the scene, they'd just done a take that nailed it, and then got told they had to do another take because he'd put his costume on wrong. I don't remember that one but it should definitely be added to the Production Trivia Canon (ie Viggo's Toe, Viggo's Block, etc.)
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Phy posted:I don't remember that one but it should definitely be added to the Production Trivia Canon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5bB7-jg_4M At about 8 minutes in they talk about it.
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SHISHKABOB posted:Did they do new year celebrations in middle earth? Hobbits keep a week-long-ish Yuletide across the end of the old year and start of the new. It’s in the boring appendix with all the calendrical systems
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skasion posted:Hobbits keep a week-long-ish Yuletide across the end of the old year and start of the new. It’s in the boring appendix with all the calendrical systems Yule itself is two days which have days of the week but not days of the month. For a little extra fun, midsummer does the same thing, plus a third day (and fourth in leap year) that don't even have a day of the week. That keeps all the months 30 days and lets the same calendar be reused every year. 
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Mods, change my name to winterfilth.
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That one definitely jumped out at me, too.
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I definitely flunked out of Blotmath a few times in college
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Emzedoh posted:That one definitely jumped out at me, too. There’s also an in-universe joke about impossible things (pigs flying, trees walking etc.) happening on Friday the first of Summerfilth.
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Lousy Summerfilth weather!
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Data Graham posted:Lousy Summerfilth weather! "Do Not Touch Baggins." Good Advice!
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For anyone who may not know, when Tolkien created the Shire calendar he borrowed the Old English names for the months of the year and modernized them, so the old Anglo-Saxon Winterfylleth became Winterfilth, Blōt-mōnaþ became Blotmath, etc. The monk and historian Bede, writing in the 8th century, described Winterfylleth (October in the Julian calendar) thusly: "The old English people split the year into two seasons, summer and winter, placing six months — during which the days are longer than the nights — in summer, and the other six in winter. They called the month when the winter season began Ƿintirfylliþ, a word composed of "winter" and "full moon", because winter began on the first full moon of that month." Blōt-mōnaþ ("sacrifice-month," November) was a bit spicier: "Blod-monath is month of immolations, for it was in this month that the cattle which were to be slaughtered were dedicated to the gods." And there is even a whole site dedicated to the Shire calendar here: https://shire-reckoning.com/calendar.html
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They translate it as sacrifice month but it clearly says BLOOD MONTH
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euphronius posted:They translate it as sacrifice month but it clearly says BLOOD MONTH And now my brain is hilariously stuck on an image of the cheerful Shire hobbits having a month of blood sacrifices. No wonder Gandalf doesn't linger long! And I somewhat suspect the Rangers would be there to make sure nothing gets out of the Shire instead of into it.
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MadDogMike posted:And now my brain is hilariously stuck on an image of the cheerful Shire hobbits having a month of blood sacrifices. No wonder Gandalf doesn't linger long! And I somewhat suspect the Rangers would be there to make sure nothing gets out of the Shire instead of into it. Knowing hobbits, its just a blood sausage, blood pudding etc festival coinciding with slaughter.
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Imagine if Tolkien had inserted an appendice casually describing Hobbits doing Wicker Man stuff in between the details about pipeweed and family trees.
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Chop some chiives, braise the pork Slaughter the cattle and pop the corks Fill the glasses and spread the plates Eat what Butcher Baggins makes!
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We watched the Rankin/Bass Hobbit for the first time last night, and gotta say that despite some flaws of its own that was a significantly better experience than watching Jackson's Hobbit movies.
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It's so good. Yeah it's weird and quirky as hell but so is the book.
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Data Graham posted:It's so good. Yeah it's weird and quirky as hell but so is the book. Yeah, it has this same--musty, I guess? and whimsical--feel to it like the book does. Even though some stuff is left out, nothing is added in, and it does feel like a very faithful adaptation of the story in both content and vibe. My kids love it and it's been on three or four times already since my first post. As far as cutting things out, Beorn is fine/whatever, but why cut out the Arkenstone? It's a singular plot device that gives reason for Thorin to get mad at Bilbo and to create Smaug's weak spot. It would take no time at all to have established that there's a super special gem then weave its two purposes into the story 
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After years of being intimidated by it I finally decided to take the plunge and read the Silmarillion, and to my surprise it’s extremely readable and enjoyable! I’m not sure why people hype up how dense it is, because it really does come easy. It’s a wonderful blend of Greek mythology and Christian eschatology. It’s also fun to see how much the writing style changes from section to section, it’s very apparent how things shift with the story of Beren and Luthien which is told like an Arthurian legend or something. It’s great. My only issues with it is that because so much of it is set in Beleriand, a continent that sinks into the sea, I have a very hard time placing anything, and honestly, have very little interest in *trying* to figure out where anything is because most of the geography has no connection to what we experience in Lord of the Rings. I know the story is its own thing but it does cut into my investment a little bit. Anyway it’s fabulous stuff and may get me to investigate some of the other post-LOTR material out there
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