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I don’t mind when people cut my deck because at least then I can’t blame myself for my typically insanely bad starting 7s. For most people though yeah I’ll wave it off unless they want me to
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I always cut, either in FNM Draft, or Commander. Even with people I've been playing with since, like, Fifth Dawn. It's just habit now. But, I also know they wash their hands, or won't rip up my sleeves. From my commander games today, I managed to get out a 152/152 Phyrexian Horror token, while having Kiki Jiki out, but couldn't even get them to last on the board to attack. That would have made all my Timmy dreams come true. Also my attempts to use Echoing Equation to turn my board into copies of Ivy, Gleeful Spell Thief and put Bear Umbra on them all was also thwarted. Bad night!
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It just gets tedious, imo. I feel like at the tables I've played at, we cut at the start of games as a show of good will or "lol I'm gonna put the top card of your deck in the middle" just for laughs, but in-game it's just a bit much, especially in a tutor-heavy game. Eventually it just becomes "yeah I watched you shuffle, you're good".
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So im kinda fed up with my garth legendary tribal deck and im gonna break it apart. Does anyone have suggestions for 5 color decks that are decently priced? not really sure what i want the deck to be but i feel like abusing storm or making a burn deck would be interesting. I also would not be averse to checking out mill decks. E: gently caress it. if nothing can be decided, then i wouldn't mind some goblin deck if they're any strong. E2: or slivers. Dizz fucked around with this message at 00:06 on Dec 19, 2022 |
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Dizz posted:So im kinda fed up with my garth legendary tribal deck and im gonna break it apart. Does anyone have suggestions for 5 color decks that are decently priced? not really sure what i want the deck to be but i feel like abusing storm or making a burn deck would be interesting. I also would not be averse to checking out mill decks. Kenrith lets you do everything. New Jodah loves legendaries.
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Batterypowered7 posted:Kenrith lets you do everything. New Jodah loves legendaries. yeah i've seen them but it's still the same end result of me not being very satisfied with it, but that's because i made this deck without any real inspiration at all.
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Dec 19, 2022 01:41
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Dizz posted:So im kinda fed up with my garth legendary tribal deck and im gonna break it apart. Does anyone have suggestions for 5 color decks that are decently priced? not really sure what i want the deck to be but i feel like abusing storm or making a burn deck would be interesting. I also would not be averse to checking out mill decks. The majority of the good storm stuff is in Izzet/Grixis so going 5 colours is just going to dilute the deck too much I think. Grixis is good for mill but you're really just drawing or tutoring for a game ending combo that feels like every other game ending combo. My friend has a mill deck with no infinite combos or tutors and it mostly just feeds graveyard decks. Slivers can be terrifying in a mid-power game, assuming your mana base offers lots of early fixing.
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Combine Storm and Mill and Brain Freeze the table in one go.
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got to play Most Dangerous Gamer today. Wasn't as bad as I thought it might be, like, super inconsistent obviously, but once you have 10+ attractions out, lol, basically guaranteed something nice each turn. Didn't win, but one opponent got a good run and we didn't draw good enough removal in time. I Saw in Half on my own attraction-etb creatures was a fun combo, especially since I kept getting it back randomly from a haunted attraction. Might swap a few cards here and there, this was the first commander deck I made from scratch and think there are even some new tools I could consider.
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I was all gung-ho for my stupid dice rolling deck until I discovered that you only roll for attractions on your upkeep--they don't proc every time you roll a dice like I thought. I still have it together and it's still goofy but it's not the dice rolling extravaganza that I thought it was going to be.
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Dec 19, 2022 18:35
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I brought my Drake posted:I was all gung-ho for my stupid dice rolling deck until I discovered that you only roll for attractions on your upkeep--they don't proc every time you roll a dice like I thought. I still have it together and it's still goofy but it's not the dice rolling extravaganza that I thought it was going to be. I went full-stupid and made a voltron-via-stickers deck. Because really, Rograkh deserves to be a 10/10 who also makes you Scry for some reason.
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I really hate it when commanders like the new Jodah become popular. Either everyone's packing and drawing board wipes or you get to watch the Jodah player play solitaire. I mean, thematically Jodah is cool, but when a deck is strong and has a singular focus that everyone has to deal with quickly or it just snowballs out of control, the deck just isn't interesting to me and is boring to play against. Chulane was the same way.
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A deck like the new Jodah is strong, but any deck where the table potentially watches someone play solitaire is a power level issue more than a design issue. Lots of commanders have strategies and abilities that snowball really really quickly. If you're at a table where that's okay, you should either be playing a deck with that kind of explosive power, or a control/stax deck capable of hanging in that environment. Jodah is balanced when the Jodah player typically also looks at someone else's boardstate and thinks they're in trouble if they don't do something. The game works better when everyone at the table is a viable threat at all times. The default state of a game of EDH should be "I'm in danger," not neutral safety until someone breaches the peace. I do agree that a lot of strong decks are uninteresting and linear to play. A deck like Sisay, for instance, that just tutors out a chain of legendary creatures in the same order (because each one generates mana/untaps/etc. to get the next one) is fun in the sense that you get a bunch of powerful cards out reliably, but boring in the sense that you either get your fifteen legendaries/planeswalkers by putting mana into your commander and immediately win, or your deck doesn't do anything. Games with more play/counterplay and game actions end up being more engaging, IMO.
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The solitaire thing is something I don't usually experience in my playgroup but I played at an LGS against a Kinnan, Bonder Prodigy deck and I think that may have been the single most unfun game I've ever played in four or five years of commander. From turn 2 just a miserable time.
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Infinite Karma posted:A deck like the new Jodah is strong, but any deck where the table potentially watches someone play solitaire is a power level issue more than a design issue. *takes a 20 minute turn with Sisay/Jegantha, tapping and untapping her, bringing out various planeswalkers and eventually comboing with The Chain Veil*
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I built a Jodah deck so I could play all the Transformers cards so I can report that the key to making a Jodah deck nobody complains about is to use really lovely creatures
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long-rear end nips Diane posted:I built a Jodah deck so I could play all the Transformers cards so I can report that the key to making a Jodah deck nobody complains about is to use really lovely creatures Just put in all those vanilla legendaries and somehow still win 'cause they just get massive.
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I brought my Drake posted:I was all gung-ho for my stupid dice rolling deck until I discovered that you only roll for attractions on your upkeep--they don't proc every time you roll a dice like I thought. I still have it together and it's still goofy but it's not the dice rolling extravaganza that I thought it was going to be. Yeah, woulda loved a card or two that forces an attractions re-visit mid-turn. They are all so random and janky doesn't seem like it'd be busted. I like the idea of it and hope it's revisited in other sets, unlikely, but like I think it would be applicable to tons of non-joke settings. We already have lands but they are more mana than they are representing places, Attractions are a neat way to get a little closer to the various things that are interesting about various settings that aren't animate beings or abstract actions, just places/attractions. Centaur of Attraction is the ultimate dice-rolling card, especially if you saw in half her. 15 dice rolls from one creature! I think comet might be the better die-rolling commander theme. oh nvm limited colors there
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 I'm thinking of building Liberator, Urza's Battlethopter. Looking for suggestions for artifacts or colourless spells that get significantly better with flash. (note: I was not playing during the Eldrazi sets, so I don't have any of the usual big scary Eldrazi you normally see in colourless decks)
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generatrix posted:
Shimmer Myr, for one. Probably Vedalken Orrery. You'll want some of the usual big scary Eldrazi and others (both Ulamog, both Kozilek, the non-banned Emrakul, Bane of Bala Ged, Conduit of Ruin, Oblivion Sower). Hangarback Walker; Sanctum of Ugin; Ugin, the Spirit Dragon; Ugin, the Ineffable; Emergence Zone; Shrine of the Forsaken Gods; Demolition Field; Blightsteel Colossus; All is Dust; Unwinding Clock; Wandering Archaic; Cityscape Leveler; Commander's Plate; Cosmos Elixir?; Forsaken Monument; Mystic Forge; God-Pharaoh's Statue Not all of those are just significantly better with Flash, but may be worth considering. E: As much Artifact ramp as you can manage.
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i really dont want a sliver deck but i feel like i'd loving regret it if i didn't. are all the cards expensive or just the commanders?
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Dizz posted:i really dont want a sliver deck but i feel like i'd loving regret it if i didn't. are all the cards expensive or just the commanders? https://scryfall.com/search?q=t%3ASliver&order=name&as=full
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generatrix posted:
All spells become significantly better with flash.  Big poo poo for Liberator specifically are Unwinding Clock, Welding Jar, and removal like Duplicant or All is Dust.
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generatrix posted:
Unwinding clock, which someone said, probably some of the rocks that also let you pay to draw since presumably you're going to make a lot of mana, and then huge artifacts that you can drop on your predators' endstep and swing at someone right away, like blightsteel collosus.
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Some of the colorless Lessons are decent too, like the 5cmc removal spell and Mascot Exhibition
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generatrix posted:
Triggered abilities seem like the king here, especially protection based ones.
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Infinite Karma posted:Triggered abilities seem like the king here, especially protection based ones. Anything that triggers on upkeep and would normally require surviving three other players' turns seems like it would benefit from being cast right before your turn.
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jesus there's so much and not much can be done with them. I think I want overlord as my commander even though the cascade one seems like it'd poo poo out far more.
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Dizz posted:jesus there's so much and not much can be done with them. Don't forget that Morophon is also a Sliver! E: And don't forget the best Sliver: Chameleon Colossus
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I actually really like Taurean Mauler in tribal decks. It’s a fun and flirty way to have an 8/8 on t4, it generates counters if you care about that, lots of good times with tauren mauler.
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Chakan posted:I actually really like Taurean Mauler in tribal decks. It’s a fun and flirty way to have an 8/8 on t4, it generates counters if you care about that, lots of good times with tauren mauler. That's the second best Sliver.
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a sliver deck that contains no slivers sounds awesome.
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Realmwalker is a good sliver too since it keeps you with consistent drops.
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Dizz posted:a sliver deck that contains no slivers sounds awesome. Mono-blue "slivers" with Mistform Ultimus as the commander. also: thanks everyone for the suggestions... Probably going to go down the "triggers on upkeep" path to see what shenanigans I can include.
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Mono black Endrek Sahr thrulls/slivers/shapeshifters as a slightly different sacrifice big mana deck
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Dizz posted:a sliver deck that contains no slivers sounds awesome. I prefer the ur-dragon deck with no dragons
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I've seen Bold Bend used in some cEDH lists but not Ricochet Trap. Is it because Ricochet Trap only hits spells?
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Batterypowered7 posted:I've seen Bold Bend used in some cEDH lists but not Ricochet Trap. Is it because Ricochet Trap only hits spells? It's just the balance of how easy it is to get online vs useability. If you can't easily set Ferocious, Bend doesn't really help. If you're more worried about counterspells, then Trap is better.
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Batterypowered7 posted:I've seen Bold Bend used in some cEDH lists but not Ricochet Trap. Is it because Ricochet Trap only hits spells? It's because Ricochet trap doesn't do anything about someone tossing Swords or other non-blue spells.
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Toshimo posted:It's because Ricochet trap doesn't do anything about someone tossing Swords or other non-blue spells. It does, just not at a discount.
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