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RareAcumen posted:Yor's cute, Yuri isn't. Punt Yuri to the garbage dump and just keep Franky around as Anya's fun uncle.
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What I'm mostly getting from this is that Yuri isn't bad because he's animeStasi, but because he's an annoying siscon and the animeStasi thing could be ignored if he was likable.
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Yuri has like three character traits: Smart, Stasi and Siscon. Two out of those three are pretty repulsive, so it's not surprising he is not a very likeable character.
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Dec 20, 2022 17:30
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Hey, he also pukes a lot.
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tsob posted:What I'm mostly getting from this is that Yuri isn't bad because he's animeStasi, but because he's an annoying siscon and the animeStasi thing could be ignored if he was likable. We got likeable anime James Bond (what's the German super-spy equivalent?) and likeable anime super assassin as the adult leads. This manga needs buy-in from the start about ignoring that these people are, emphatically, NOT good people by early 21st century first world standards, and that they presumably have a direct body count reaching into statistics. Hell, we saw a small part of Yor's body count on page, it was thirty something guys, and we all cheered her for it. So yes, if and when Yuri gets some character development beyond being Yor's siscon brother it'll be easier to pretend he's not anime Stasi.
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Your, Loyd, and Anya are explicitly on missions with a goal of world peace. Yuri is on a mission to maintain and possibly expand the power of the state. Methods aside, his goals are terrible in comparison to team Forger.
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amigolupus posted:New chapter.
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Omobono posted:We got likeable anime James Bond (what's the German super-spy equivalent?) 
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Ultimately Yuri is an obstacle to what the reader most wants (Loid and Yor getting together) so it's kinda obvious why people wouldn't like him.
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Yuri is the only sympathetic character because he's a true patriot who cares about his family
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Omobono posted:So yes, if and when Yuri gets some character development beyond being Yor's siscon brother it'll be easier to pretend he's not anime Stasi. This isn't a story that is interested in pretending. Loid is a child soldier with a massive loving body count. That isn't played as anything other than horrific. The Stasi were absolute loving bastards, who don't even have a single potential lie you could tell about them to make them look good. They weren't even true believers, they were corrupt as gently caress and lining their pockets the entire time. And there's no level where you could both be part of the Stasi and pretend you weren't loving innocent people over morning noon and night. Combine with Siscon and Yuri's done.
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Until and unless we see Yuri using the system to personally enrich himself then I'm pretty sure the manga is actually interested in pretending. And not just about Yuri or the anime version of the Stasi that he's a part of, but about spies and assassins to boot. Who are not nearly the lovable doofs just out to help protect people that the manga presents them as for the sake of being a goofy romantic comedy, even if it keeps some dark undertones about war and human nature.
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In this current chapter the notStasi are the ones that want to storm the bus, guns blazing, so they are rather notably worse than either WISE or the Garden.
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Down With People posted:Yuri is the only sympathetic character because he's a true patriot who cares about his family Ignoring little girl and her dog trying to save the world for years. Such a sad take.
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Right, even within the internal morality of the story, the secret police's main contribution to this arc is torturing student protesters to death until they turn into terrorists, and then being unable to meet the terrorists' demands (because they've tortured too many of them to death for a prisoner exchange) and deciding to jump straight to mass child murder as their preferred solution. Yuri's side is actually coming off worse than the child-kidnapping terrorists, which is genuinely impressive, and he's going to have to put a hell of a lot of work in to get the audience rooting for him here.
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Down With People posted:Yuri is the only sympathetic character because he's a true patriot who cares about his family Thank you, Caesar
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Gotta say, absolutely love people talking about which characters are moral and nobody mentioning Anya.
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Anya is evil
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she's like 5, so yeah.
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GiantRockFromSpace posted:Gotta say, absolutely love people talking about which characters are moral and nobody mentioning Anya. Entering people's minds without consent pretty cringe tbh. I kid, she's obviously a little gremlin angel who can do no real wrong. *slaps fake bomb collar to scare other children*
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Anya also didn't have a choice in becoming psychic. She's a kid who was experimented on there's like no moral framework to judge her on.
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Sequel x Family will have Anya as psychic dictator of not-Europe and only Syon boy can stop her through the power of love or incredible violence.
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Anya is a little poo poo by default because she's 5 (totally not four don't leave her dad) and morality is a very recent (by evolution time) patch barely stapled to the lizard part of our brain. Good parents can solve this particular problem with time. Omobono fucked around with this message at 17:43 on Dec 21, 2022 |
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PringleCreamEgg posted:Sequel x Family will have Anya as psychic dictator of not-Europe and only Syon boy can stop her through the power of love or incredible violence. why not both?
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Omobono posted:Anya is a little poo poo by default because she's 5 (totally not four don't leave her dad) and morality is a very recent (by evolution time) patch barely stapled to the lizard part of our brain. Unfortunately Loid is teaching Anya the way to go with things is cheat and lie. Can't believe the assassin is the better role model (since she asks for help, is kind and only uses violence against kidnappers).
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbplUALoyyU So I looked up the chapters to be sure and that first one is definitely the bonus chapter where Yor gets shot in the rear end.
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Electric Phantasm posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbplUALoyyU Huh, I wonder why they moved it to season two? I suppose on some level them going on a "date" makes more sense then, since they're closer as well as more invested in the illusion, but at the same time, it being a relatively new dynamic that Loid was paranoid about falling apart does feel like part of the reason to do it. I guess chapters like that can slip in anywhere though, given the setup of the manga in general. tsob fucked around with this message at 22:07 on Dec 24, 2022 |
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It was an extra chapter in the manga volumes to begin with, so it’s a cute little story that could have been slotted in anywhere, much like the aquarium episode from the first half of season 1.
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Also, wherever it goes, it's best for it not to be too close to chapter 35, the post-tennis arc date, 'cause two dates in close proximity is a bit too quick for a slow-burn series like this.
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Cruise Arc is going to be buck wild goodness.
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Popo posted:Cruise Arc is going to be buck wild goodness. Studio's going to have a fun time with all the fight scenes.
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it's really all up to anya. that is very troubling, but it still owns.
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New chapter's up, if it wasn't clear.
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This is a roller coaster of an arc
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Glad the people in charge are working hard to not escalate things.
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Go Anya, go
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Yay texrbook radicalization.
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Starlight Anya 
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Cop Killer Anya
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Down With People posted:Cop Killer Anya She's getting another Stella then?
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