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Just finished it. My initial reaction is that Andor is the best Star Wars. No qualifiers. Full stop.
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Dec 23, 2022 20:40
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I just binged Andor over a few days and thought it was pretty fantastic as well. I'm not a Star Wars guy (haven't even seen all the pre-disney movies) so most of the references flew over my head, I just enjoyed it as dystopian sf.
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Dec 23, 2022 20:47
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It's definitely the best-written one. But the pure adventure of ANH and the spooky mysticism of ESB keep them both miles ahead of it to me. But it's certainly in the running for top 3, though that gets iffier if we can count individual arcs of Clone Wars.
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Dec 23, 2022 20:50
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Other Star Wars are fun. I like them. Nice fantasy adventures, and I'm a sucker for world building, even if it's simplistic, so the way they all connect is fun to me. The original trilogy, the Last Jedi, the prequel trilogy, parts of the Clone Wars cartoon, the Mandalorian, all of it good stuff to me though obviously of varying quality. But Andor is something else entirely. For once I'm not just appreciating a Star Wars for what it is, instead I am being pandered to directly with a masterfully executed stab right at my interest in media. It's really good. I'd definitely say Andor is the best Star Wars myself. Though I will add the qualifier that not everyone is looking for the same kind of story, so I understand other opinions. Especially considering the original trilogy is a simple iconic adventure story most people experienced in their youth. That's a powerful kind of story and is obviously gonna be special to folks.
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Dec 23, 2022 21:19
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Arc Hammer posted:"The Empire is a disease that thrives in darkness. It is never more alive than when we sleep!" There's a really good progression with Maarva where she seems somewhat like a silly old lady playing rebel, other characters are sighing about it to different degrees, partly because they want to stay out of trouble. But it turns out that she's a rebel and so can you and every little contribution helps (ties neatly into Nemik's thesis).
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Dec 23, 2022 21:21
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That’s a a great point and it goes neatly into Luke’s attitude at the start of ANH.
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Dec 23, 2022 22:34
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 If I had ten divisions of that guy, our troubles here would be over very quickly
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Dec 23, 2022 22:36
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Same energy
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Dec 23, 2022 22:42
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ruddiger posted:Same energy I missed that he gets shoved into Brasso's path by his band mates lol
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Dec 24, 2022 00:26
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Here's a comprehensive list of my problems with the show: * It felt like they let the holorecording of Maarva go on a little too long once it became clear what the tone of it was. But to be fair, maybe this early in the Rebellion the Empire was a little more willing to tolerate bad-mouthing. * The AK-47s. Come on, man. Yeah, yeah, b-b-but Han's blaster! No. Using an obscure WW1 pistol is not the same as using the most produced and arguably most recognizable firearm ever produced. It's been used on a national flag FFS. I found it as jarring and immersion breaking as it would've been to see Andor wearing a pair of off-the-shelf Air Jordan IVs. That's it. That's all I got.
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Dec 24, 2022 14:39
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Bulky Bartokomous posted:Just finished it. My initial reaction is that Andor is the best Star Wars. No qualifiers. Full stop. Same, A New Hope will always be my absolute personal favorite Star Wars thing and I love Mando season 1 but Andor is for real the best Star Wars. Bulky Bartokomous posted:Here's a comprehensive list of my problems with the show: Haha I noticed that too, like at least dress them up a little bit? I didn't mind the holorecording going on because it plays into Andor and Luther saying how unbelievably arrogant working for a regime like the empire makes people and how they can barely even imagine someone pulling stuff like this.
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Dec 24, 2022 16:09
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Neo Rasa posted:Haha I noticed that too, like at least dress them up a little bit? They are a little bit. The front half with the handguard, magazine, barrel and front sight are very recognizably AK and jumped out to basically everyone who knows guns from the moment the first trailer dropped. The back half of them is something else. It has the folding stock of an MP40 (Also used before in Star Wars, Krennec's gun in Rogue One was very clearly based on one), and the back end of the receiver is kinda MP40-based but also has a tubular part on top that vaguely reminds me of some other old SMG but I can't specifically place.   That said, really didn't bother me at all. It not at all unusual for Star Wars, as there were already barely modified versions of the MG34 and very distinctive Lewis Gun going back to A New Hope, a ton of the stuff in Rogue One was very easy to tell what they were inspired by or based on (Those two from A New Hope showed up again, along with stuff clearly inspired by or based on the Luger and AR15), and that continued into Mandalorian and the other shows (Fennec's sniper rifle is very clearly based on a Dragunov SVD).
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Dec 24, 2022 16:33
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StashAugustine posted:I missed that he gets shoved into Brasso's path by his band mates lol And that's a pretty violent blow, we don't usually see blunt-force attacks in Star Wars, much less a brick straight to the dome. I'm trying to think of other times we've seen that kind of thing between humanoids and coming up empty. The Ewoks dropping rocks on Stormtroopers isn't nearly so violent and is even a bit cartoonish.
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Dec 24, 2022 16:44
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To be fair ewoks then probably ate those stormtroopers
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Dec 24, 2022 16:53
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It seems weird to me to even compare Andor to any other Star War because they're completely different genres and not attempting to do any of the same things. Like comparing Dog Day Afternoon and Flash Gordon.
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Dec 24, 2022 16:55
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I figured that Maarva's speech only went on as long as it did because of the tension between the garrison and the ISB. Meero was insistent on taking Andor alive and deliberately handicapped the preparations for the funeral to make it a more enticing trap. The prefect was itching for an excuse to crack down on Ferrix and he'd finally had enough of the ISB's meddling when the speech had gone on too long.
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Dec 24, 2022 17:12
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fartknocker posted:They are a little bit. The front half with the handguard, magazine, barrel and front sight are very recognizably AK and jumped out to basically everyone who knows guns from the moment the first trailer dropped. The back half of them is something else. It has the folding stock of an MP40 (Also used before in Star Wars, Krennec's gun in Rogue One was very clearly based on one), and the back end of the receiver is kinda MP40-based but also has a tubular part on top that vaguely reminds me of some other old SMG but I can't specifically place. The back end kinda reminded me of an M76, the same gun they used to hijack Pelham 123. 
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Dec 24, 2022 17:33
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fartknocker posted:They are a little bit. The front half with the handguard, magazine, barrel and front sight are very recognizably AK and jumped out to basically everyone who knows guns from the moment the first trailer dropped. The back half of them is something else. It has the folding stock of an MP40 (Also used before in Star Wars, Krennec's gun in Rogue One was very clearly based on one), and the back end of the receiver is kinda MP40-based but also has a tubular part on top that vaguely reminds me of some other old SMG but I can't specifically place. The stock is a standard AK underfolder, not taken from anything else. I think that style was the Soviet Union’s first folding stock for the AK, making it an AKS. Not renowned for its comfort or stability. All the rest are of the back end mods are freebies. The back end looks inspired by a VZ58.
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Dec 24, 2022 18:15
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Bulky Bartokomous posted:The AK-47s. Come on, man. Yeah, yeah, b-b-but Han's blaster! No. Using an obscure WW1 pistol is not the same as using the most produced and arguably most recognizable firearm ever produced. It's been used on a national flag FFS. I found it as jarring and immersion breaking as it would've been to see Andor wearing a pair of off-the-shelf Air Jordan IVs. We're watching a group of rebels in a valley using weapons they've taken from an invading empire to enact a plan of resistance in Star Wars. The fact they look like AK47+WW1 gun is incredibly thematically on point and a good design choice because the visual association is just that strong. The fact they've got space sheep/goats instead of something more exotic is also not coincidence. Chronojam fucked around with this message at 20:01 on Dec 24, 2022 |
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Dec 24, 2022 19:57
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Halfway through Andor and it's just drat good sci fi/ military strike. My brain can't help but think of Force 10 from Navarrone with the dam setup. Also, I'm totally shipping Time Grappler with the Armorer just by their affinity for beskar and beskar related accessories.
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Dec 24, 2022 21:55
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Andor was pretty much everything I'd want out of a Blake's Seven reboot, sans withering dialogue
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Dec 24, 2022 21:58
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:Andor was pretty much everything I'd want out of a Blake's Seven reboot, sans withering dialogue Paul Darrow as Luthen 
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Dec 24, 2022 22:05
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Jerusalem posted:Paul Darrow as Luthen "Remember, Cassian, you always feel safe... with me" 
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Dec 24, 2022 22:13
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Bulky Bartokomous posted:* The AK-47s. Come on, man. Yeah, yeah, b-b-but Han's blaster! No. Using an obscure WW1 pistol is not the same as using the most produced and arguably most recognizable firearm ever produced. It's been used on a national flag FFS. I found it as jarring and immersion breaking as it would've been to see Andor wearing a pair of off-the-shelf Air Jordan IVs. Too fuckin' right. The barrier to entry was so low. This is not an expensive conversion, it's an off-the-shelf made-in-America kit:  Add some laser sights and gearwhombles and a weird looking comp or suppressor and you've got yourself a perfectly good futuregun that somewhat implies a Kalashnikov without so much clash. I think the most essential feature to keep is probably the classic bananamag. American AR mags are boxier, more in line with the Imperial aesthetic. Best part is particular stock loving folds on a hinge, so Saw wouldn't even have to stand differently. Kesper North fucked around with this message at 01:35 on Dec 25, 2022 |
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Dec 25, 2022 01:27
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Tbf the iconic Rebel A280 is either an M16 or a STG44 depending on how the prop department felt about it, though neither has a magazine
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Dec 25, 2022 02:28
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Wrong thread
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Dec 25, 2022 02:33
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most star wars guns are pretty recognizably real guns its just the ak furniture is a bit too iconic so even people who dont know better can point it out
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Dec 25, 2022 02:38
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Honestly it's probably the magazine that's the mistake, most other star wars guns have no or small mags
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Dec 25, 2022 02:45
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StashAugustine posted:Honestly it's probably the magazine that's the mistake, most other star wars guns have no or small mags Yeah I think with either a straight mag or no may at all, it would've been better for most people. I dummy mind it as is, but I do understand the criticism.
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Dec 25, 2022 03:56
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Give it two magazines, each canted 45 degrees. Now you have twice as much power to rebel!
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Dec 25, 2022 04:28
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Kino: I can't swim! (Kino laughs at his predicament. Andor is carried off the edge before he can think of a solution. Kino rips his shirt off and a majestic pair of wings unfurl from his back) Kino: But I can fly! Imperial prison master watching on monitor: They fly now!?
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Dec 25, 2022 05:21
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Andor: It has to be you, Kino. You have to be the one to tell them. You have to be the one to make them go for snoke — sorry, I meant go for broke. Kino: ‘Snoke’, eh? Heh, I like the sound of that…
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Dec 25, 2022 13:53
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Chronojam posted:The fact they've got space sheep/goats instead of something more exotic is also not coincidence. Those are literally just hebridean sheep, I heard a few people saying they glued extra horns to some normal sheep but no that's what they look like 
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Dec 25, 2022 14:28
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Wow, haha. That's crazy. Okay. So, the prop department should've spent a little more time on the AKs and the Sheep. Otherwise, 10/10. Perfection.StashAugustine posted:Tbf the iconic Rebel A280 is either an M16 or a STG44 depending on how the prop department felt about it, though neither has a magazine Wow, also crazy. However, I never noticed that until I just googled it and looked at the pictures. So that is a good job by the prop department. Bulky Bartokomous fucked around with this message at 15:24 on Dec 25, 2022 |
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Dec 25, 2022 15:20
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I hope season 2 features regular bullets and no lasers.
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Dec 25, 2022 15:22
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Breadallelogram posted:I hope season 2 features regular bullets and no lasers. This but for a straight adaptation of Shatterpoint
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Dec 25, 2022 15:28
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Chronojam posted:It's actually used on several flags specifically as a symbol of resistance, often adapted from pre-existing rebellion flags before becoming the national flag. Those aren't even space goat iirc just a type of goat with those types of horns E; fb
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Dec 25, 2022 15:32
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the fact that four-horned sheep are foreign enough to pass off as being alien is an indictment of the typical Andor audience!! learn about sheep, you idiots, you morons!!!  in seriousness, did you know that the forum has its very own thread about four-horned sheep? instant jellyfish keeps and breeds Jacobs sheep, and they (along with some different goats and sheep) will be lambing again around March/April. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3886000
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Dec 25, 2022 15:56
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Four horned sheep are further proof that sheep are very fumb animals because they decided to evolve curly horns that can actually kill themselves if they grow too large.
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Arc Hammer posted:Four horned sheep are further proof that sheep are very fumb animals because they decided to evolve curly horns that can actually kill themselves if they grow too large. There are dumb design decisions for lots of animals. Using the same pipe for breathing and eating? Classic God!
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