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Jim Silly-Balls posted:Dirty jobs would have been 100x more enlightening and effective if they would have put the average salary of the job in question on the screen They had elevator/escalator mechanics on the show this or last year. That’s a $100K++ job if you’re union. To the extent that we can’t get mechanics to move ‘up’ into superintendent roles.
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morothar posted:They had elevator/escalator mechanics on the show this or last year. That’s a $100K++ job if you’re union. To the extent that we can’t get mechanics to move ‘up’ into superintendent roles. Being an elevator mechanic SHOULD pay that much - it's a dangerous and highly skilled job. Many other trades are the same way. That doesn't make them white collar or anything. Rather, if someone thinks "golly 100k is a lot for a blue collar worker" then that someone should reconsider how much a blue collar worker "ought" to make.
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cursedshitbox posted:I too quit watching Clarkson after he punched the cook. Not that it really matters but it was a producer not a cook. Whoever above said blue collar vs white collar is feeding into bullshit class definitions is right. Another one that irritates me is the line between "worker" and "management", and how firm a line is often drawn between the two. I'm expected to believe that I dunno, a team leader with about 5 more responsibilities than a team member and no real decision making power at all is just as management/ruling class as the billionaire who owns the company? That's dumb as poo poo too.
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And that's why "blue collar" and "white collar" are useless terms that only serve to reinforce the idea that anybody working a "blue collar" job should be poor, and also drives conflict between poorly-paid white collar workers and well-paid blue collar workers, so they're busy fighting each other instead of uniting against the ruling class. Which, y'know, is the intention. But it's bad.
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morothar posted:They had elevator/escalator mechanics on the show this or last year. That’s a $100K++ job if you’re union. To the extent that we can’t get mechanics to move ‘up’ into superintendent roles. the show is still around?
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Dec 20, 2022 21:01
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Mr. Wiggles posted:Being an elevator mechanic SHOULD pay that much - it's a dangerous and highly skilled job. Many other trades are the same way. That doesn't make them white collar or anything. Rather, if someone thinks "golly 100k is a lot for a blue collar worker" then that someone should reconsider how much a blue collar worker "ought" to make. This also feeds into the idea of which jobs are “worthwhile” and deserving of respect or quality of life and which aren’t. The idea that if your job was truly valuable and worth respecting it would naturally pay more. It’s one of the many things feeding/fed by the absolute venom that so many “normie” conservatives have toward service sector jobs and educators and people who do social work or government/public sector work. And- surprise surprise- a lot of that historically breaks down along gender lines.
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Large Testicles posted:the show is still around? Just looked on IMDB and it ended its 8th season in 2012, started season 9 in 2021 and season 10 started 2 weeks ago.
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LloydDobler posted:Just looked on IMDB and it ended its 8th season in 2012, started season 9 in 2021 and season 10 started 2 weeks ago. ok that makes sense, i hadn't even seen reruns of it in like 5 years
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Yeah, no. A billionaire is ruling class no matter what. There is no amount of "work" one person can do that is worth a billion dollars, much less 200 billion. That is stolen value from other workers. Only way to do it.
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morothar posted:They had elevator/escalator mechanics on the show this or last year. That’s a $100K++ job if you’re union. To the extent that we can’t get mechanics to move ‘up’ into superintendent roles. What does it pay non-union? And how hard is it to get one of those union jobs? If they were to put up salaries in the show, they'd gladly list list it as $100k++ then neglect to tell you how difficult it is to get to that point and cry how no one wants to work anymore. And not a whisper of a union.
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Salami Surgeon posted:What does it pay non-union? And how hard is it to get one of those union jobs? The International Union of Elevator Constructors is extremely good at getting good deals for their members, which is why union elevator mechanic pay is extremely good, with extra cost of living bonuses for expensive urban areas like NYC and San Francisco. However, part of the strategy is scarcity of mechanics and apprentices - most of the locals only open up for recruitment for about a week a year, and with very few slots to fill. Non-union mechanics average about 60% of union pay grade, less for those engaged in private home elevators and mobility equipment like stairlifts.
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Mr. Wiggles posted:Non-union mechanics average about 60% of union pay grade, less for those engaged in private home elevators and mobility equipment like stairlifts. Elon’s elevator mechanic probably isn’t union
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Ok Comboomer posted:Elon’s elevator mechanic probably isn’t union They are at some of his facilities, for sure. This is because the large national companies that do most of the service (Otis, Thyssenkrupp, Kone, Schindler, Mitsubishi) are all signatory to the IUEC.
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Mr. Wiggles posted:They are at some of his facilities, for sure. This is because the large national companies that do most of the service (Otis, Thyssenkrupp, Kone, Schindler, Mitsubishi) are all signatory to the IUEC. Important to note that mobility equipment and home lifts aren’t subject to the same code & testing requirements. There’s a huge difference between a proper elevator/escalator and those. Regarding the $100K++, it’s also worth noting that’s only part of the compensation. An IUEC tech costs an average of $125-150 per hour depending on location. So the cost is actually well >$200K due to the excellent benefits.
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I know a guy who runs an elevator and escalator repair business. He was saying the great thing is that almost all the work is overtime since it’s done after hours to minimize disruption and regardless of the economy, regular maintenance of elevators and escalators has to be done in order to keep them licensed.
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Mr. Apollo posted:I know a guy who runs an elevator and escalator repair business. He was saying the great thing is that almost all the work is overtime since it’s done after hours to minimize disruption and regardless of the economy, regular maintenance of elevators and escalators has to be done in order to keep them licensed. It is a really difficult union to get into, though. I have a nephew that tried, and it was a time consuming grind.
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Do you mean that these unions actually make it hard to join them or that there are other obstacles like employer fuckery that makes it so?
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:It's very much like using the deadname of a transgender person and I personally think just as offensive, Lol
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Nidhg00670000 posted:Do you mean that these unions actually make it hard to join them or that there are other obstacles like employer fuckery that makes it so? Both. In the case of elevators, it's also that it's an incredibly regulated industry in most jurisdictions, with heavy duty training requirements for technicians (this is good by the way). And the IUEC just happens to run the only nationally recognized training and apprenticeship program (this is also good). Really it's a tale of a union successfully raising the standard of living for it's members and at the same time ensuring public safety with equipment that's necessary for modern life. Precisely the opposite of what chuds are typically interested in.
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Nidhg00670000 posted:Do you mean that these unions actually make it hard to join them or that there are other obstacles like employer fuckery that makes it so? The unions have a high barrier to entry. Once you're in, it's a sweet gig because of all the above mentioned perks, but it's a tough seat to get.
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meatpimp posted:The unions have a high barrier to entry. But just... why? A higher unionization rate means a better position to bargain means better wages and benefits?
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While I'm sure it's a relatively safe job elevator shafts still give me the heebie jeebies. A few years back a repairman got crushed by an elevator car and they only found him when his phone gave an alarm after two hours of inactivity. Guy has 20+ years experience with no incidents, elevator was close to 90 years old and 'compliant when installed'.
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Nidhg00670000 posted:But just... why? A higher unionization rate means a better position to bargain means better wages and benefits? They have a monopoly on supply of labor. If they increased the number of licensed members, they would be splitting the same work among more people and everyone would make less.
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Mr. Apollo posted:I know a guy who runs an elevator and escalator repair business. He was saying the great thing is that almost all the work is overtime since it’s done after hours to minimize disruption and regardless of the economy, regular maintenance of elevators and escalators has to be done in order to keep them licensed. The majority of contracts in the US are all-in, so service and wear & tear items are included in one contract. Service work happens during the day unless the customer explicitly asks for something else, and is willing to pay for it. After hours work is typically a callback (breakdown with or without entrapment), less often a repair or service. How solid the business is depends on the league you’re playing in. As a large OEM, you’d do the entire life cycle across construction/new installation, service, repair, and modernization. The total is absolutely subject to business cycle impacts, though much less so than e.g. automotive or construction. If you’re a small mom & pop shop that focuses on service, yeah, that’s super stable due to maintenance and testing requirements. dissss posted:While I'm sure it's a relatively safe job elevator shafts still give me the heebie jeebies. Every single mechanic accident I’ve seen, heard of, and/or investigated was due to the mechanic not following the prescribed process. Most often it’s the better, more experienced guys, as they get sloppy/cocky. More so as you work on old equipment, as it’s often missing critical redundant safety systems. So skipping a step may bite you in the arse that much harder.
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morothar posted:Every single mechanic accident I’ve seen, heard of, and/or investigated was due to the mechanic not following the prescribed process. Most often it’s the better, more experienced guys, as they get sloppy/cocky. More so as you work on old equipment, as it’s often missing critical redundant safety systems. So skipping a step may bite you in the arse that much harder. the Demon Core, but an escalator
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Joking aside, escalators are basically semi-tame meat grinders. Don’t let children anywhere near one unsupervised, and check if they have skirt brushes, all comb teeth etc. We always have litigation ongoing, because an escalator randomly decides to maul a child’s foot.
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Pr0kjayhawk posted:Has the savagegeese crew been discussed? I go through phases of liking their stuff but I hope they’re not chuds or chud-adjacent. They platformed a Climatetown video a few months ago, I doubt they’re chuds The Patagonia is definitely a channel in-joke, but I’d be shocked if it’s like a “lol libs” thing
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Ok Comboomer posted:They platformed a Climatetown video a few months ago, I doubt they’re chuds Didn’t know about that channel but those videos look fun. And precisely why I’m no fun at parties. Llewellyn posted:Mostly grumpy old man complaints about safety and emissions regulations making cars too dang complicated and heavy. All opinions emanate out of their love of the Honda s2000. I can live with that. It was very interesting to see Jason Cammisa’s super lukewarm take on the S2000 recently. Also interesting that he believes the NC3 club is the best small cheap fun car when it’s the heaviest Miata.
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morothar posted:Any thoughts on ViceGripGarage? The backdrop seems chuddy as all hell, but dude’s doing a great job at not offering a political view beyond “USA great” from the videos I’ve seen. A Trump loving rear end in a top hat from what I know
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Ok Comboomer posted:They platformed a Climatetown video a few months ago, I doubt they’re chuds Is Patagonia right wing adjacent?
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Endymion FRS MK1 posted:Is Patagonia right wing adjacent? No, quite the opposite. I mean, it’s not cheap and it’s rightly associated with affluence, but there probably isn’t a more “lib” brand out there aside from like Ben & Jerry’s. They were in the news a few weeks back because the founder put all of his shares into a trust (controlled by his family) ostensibly dedicated to fighting climate change.
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Which Adam Conover thoroughly debunked. https://youtu.be/0Cu6EbELZ6I
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morothar posted:Any thoughts on ViceGripGarage? The backdrop seems chuddy as all hell, but dude’s doing a great job at not offering a political view beyond “USA great” from the videos I’ve seen. Seems very much stereotypical North Dakotan, which means he appears very unassuming, nice even, but makes it a very fine point to "not talk politics" (except for fervent nationalism and worship of veterans and police and hanging out with people with Trump poo poo plastered everywhere.) The whole thing is wrapped up in cisheteronormative patriarchal pandering that makes it really transparent. It's really unfortunatel because he's fairly entertaining (because he reminds me of every domestic car geek I ever knew.) Source: me--someone that spent their first 27 years in and around Fargo before moving to Chicago because it ain't safe being my queer rear end back home. (And of course Derek moved to somewhere somehow more conservative than ND.)
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Pr0kjayhawk posted:Which Adam Conover thoroughly debunked. https://youtu.be/0Cu6EbELZ6I I mean, Ok Comboomer is right--that is an extremely lib move. In the sense that libs are slightly-less-conservative elitist capitalists, not leftists.
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