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sassassin posted:They consulted with actual qualified coaches over how to build the training module, so naturally it's flexible rather than something that should be solved with a single plug and play routine. sassassin posted:Training doesn't make a huge difference to the amount players will develop, so it's not worth stressing too much about. Anything you cobble together will be better than what your assistant will do.
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I like the training module. It makes me feel like an actual manager, going in at the start of every month and setting the schedule, responding to player criticisms, focusing on attributes that are important to the style of play I want etc. The old one you'd just set everything up on day one and never touch it again unless you hired someone new. You can have a meaningful effect on what attributes go up in your players, but only really over a long period of time in players with a lot of remaining potential. The first save I did after the module was added I left everything to my assistant, and my best young centre half shot up 2 Jumping Reach in a couple of seasons. Because we were doing fitness every day. Another save with the same team where I did it all myself I don't think he raised it a full point, but ended up a better technical footballer because I was only doing fitness once a week (if that). There's enough influence there to make it feel like it's not a waste of time, but you'll still make progress if you're a Sam Allardyce spending midweek in Dubai and leaving it to the help.
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I think there's something to be said, if you have a decent u18/u19 team, i.e. a good youth intake at some point, to taking over their training. I've just done this this season with a team, and I'm really focusing on their physicals. Two dedicated resistance sessions, and one quickness and endurance per week, and I'm hoping I see results in a few years when these sixteen year olds are hitting 18 or 19 years old. The problem comes when you have a 16 year old with decent technicals and below average physicals. Do you want them playing games appropriate to their technical level and developing that way, hoping the physicals come with age, or do you keep them focused on the physicals knowing they're probably better than the u18 team?
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Nov 24, 2022 17:15
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With 16-18 year olds don't worry about getting them football that will challenge them. Put them somewhere they can train all week and play just enough to maintain sharpness and condition (morale from playing well and winning games also helps).
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Nov 24, 2022 18:28
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JustJeff88 posted:I've often wondered if it's possible to do a league in Out of the Park that is in a European football league style with no real playoffs. So, in MLB there are 30 teams divided into two leagues: American and National. There used to be significant rules differences between the two, but that's no longer true as of the season that just ended. It also used to be the case that the two leagues never played against each other oustide of one circumstance, but that hasn't been true for 25 years. Each league has three 5-team divisions. Schedules are unbalanced... teams will play nearly half (76/162) of their games against the other four teams in their division as those tend to be the closest geographically. Each team plays 66 games against teams in the other two divisions of their league, and these games can be against teams on the total other side of North America - remember that divisions are geographically organised, but leagues are coast-to-coast. Finally, a team will play 20 interleague games with about 8-10 against a regional rival relatively nearby and the rest are kind of random. The post-season playoffs are determined by who wins each division, but also which teams have the best record for those who did not win their division. The playoffs are a tree where teams will play each other in best-of-3/5/7/7 series with the last series, the 'World Series', being between whoever emerges from the playoffs for each league. Until 1997, this was the only way teams from different leagues could play each other. The overall structure is quite typical for North American sport leagues, although segregated leagues was never really a thing in hockey, basketball and gridiron 'football'. As far as I know, playoffs are hard coded in OOTP. The best you can do is set up two completely separate leagues that play a "World Series" between the league winners as a one-round playoff (i.e. the system in place in MLB between 1905 and 1968), which you can headcanon as an exhibition series or whatever. You can create custom schedules in OOTP (I think they're .xls or .rtf files or something that you import) but you have to do every game by hand, it takes forever, and then of course it would never vary year-to-year unless you took the trouble to redo the whole thing each season.
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Eric the Mauve posted:As far as I know, playoffs are hard coded in OOTP. The best you can do is set up two completely separate leagues that play a "World Series" between the league winners as a one-round playoff (i.e. the system in place in MLB between 1905 and 1968), which you can headcanon as an exhibition series or whatever. I had a feeling that this was so; thanks for responding.
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You're welcome. Did you do a google for a balanced OOTP schedule? There's a good chance some crazy person has already made one, which you might be able to modify year-after-year to mix it up with some clever search-and-replacing and/or copy/pasting.
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Nov 27, 2022 20:45
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How viable is a DOF game in the latest versions? Like, could I delegate matches, training and press conferences to a good rear end man and still do well? I just want to choose a high-level tactic, buy and sell players and scout. I put maybe 20 hours into FM20 Touch but the World Cup has made me consider FM again but every year it gets more complex.
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Nov 30, 2022 06:49
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I’ve never played this before and I’ve never really watched much football. But I find myself attracted to this game. What would be the best resource to understand what I’m looking at and learn more about the positions and how to play this game well?
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Nov 30, 2022 08:19
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Red_Fred posted:How viable is a DOF game in the latest versions? This is basically how I've been playing for the past 7 years. If you get a skin that hacks in the instant result button from FM Touch, you can use that for matches, and basically everything else you mention can be delegated to staff right from the responsibilities window - it's probably not OPTIMAL but if you have good enough players and tactics you'll be fine, and it saves me all kinds of time.
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virinvictus posted:I’ve never played this before and I’ve never really watched much football. But I find myself attracted to this game. If you're american - watch Zealand Tutorial videos and maybe a playthrough from last year If you're european - watch Lollujo tutorial videos and maybe a playthrough from last year or do both im not not your manager
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Dallan Invictus posted:This is basically how I've been playing for the past 7 years. If you get a skin that hacks in the instant result button from FM Touch, you can use that for matches, and basically everything else you mention can be delegated to staff right from the responsibilities window - it's probably not OPTIMAL but if you have good enough players and tactics you'll be fine, and it saves me all kinds of time. It can be tricky using Instant Result all the time especially once you're one of the best teams in your league, because the opposition will start out with cautious/defensive mentality (optimal foil to that is low tempo/lots of dudes high up the pitch) but once they fall behind in the second half will switch to attacking (optimal foil to that is high tempo, drop back, hold position). You'll blow a lot of leads using Instant Result because your tactic won't change. Match Plans are great for this, you can start with your low tempo tactic and tell it to switch to the high tempo tactic once you have a lead and switch to the time wasting tactic once you have a safe lead. But the problem with that (at least in FM21 which is still what I'm on, maybe they've fixed it since) is that if you use a Match Plan with Instant Result, the rear end Man will never make subs unless there's an injury, red card, or a switch to a tactic one of your players can't play.
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Ah this is good to hear! I mean I could always play the important games and Instant Result all the others. My only fear with that is that I won’t really know what to do anyway and will probably make it worse? What’s the best guides for getting high level tactics down?
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I don’t think you should like, skip the games even in a low touch playthrough. You should at least control the subs. Give yourself an opportunity to feel like a hero when your sub scores.
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just switch it to champ man 3 mode and max speed the text highlights, the game will only take a minute to run
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Vegetable posted:I don’t think you should like, skip the games even in a low touch playthrough. You should at least control the subs. Give yourself an opportunity to feel like a hero when your sub scores. But don't ever make 3 subs all at one time - literal guarantee to get scored on near on instantly. Stagger them out.
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Slotducks posted:But don't ever make 3 subs all at one time - literal guarantee to get scored on near on instantly. Superstitious mumbo jumbo. You're only guaranteed to concede if you make a sub before a corner.
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Guilty of staggering my subs. One shortly after 60 minutes, another shortly after 70, and then another around 82. Any game I don't save a sub for the dying minutes of the game? "Oh would you look at that. Five consecutive knocks in minutes 83-90. Too bad you used your bench already!"
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I've never understood the incredibly rigid sub rules in football. Baseball is quite strict, but it at least doesn't limit to 3; it's also not a high-fatigue sport. Meanwhile, gridiron football, hockey and basketball basically allow free subs all the time.
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NutShellBill posted:Guilty of staggering my subs. I don't often make subs with less than 15 minutes left, because the game doesn't assign a match rating for those players and it doesn't count towards development iirc. Get all my business done between 55 and 70. Players are paid enough to play through some pain/long term muscular damage. JustJeff88 posted:I've never understood the incredibly rigid sub rules in football. Baseball is quite strict, but it at least doesn't limit to 3; it's also not a high-fatigue sport. Meanwhile, gridiron football, hockey and basketball basically allow free subs all the time. Fatigue is part of the established tactical game. Possession styles depend on being able to wear teams out. Most dominant sides will score lots of winning goals in "Fergie Time" as a feature not a coincidence. The game would look very different if teams could swap out entire units on the fly. A lot more Berbatovs and fewer James Milners. Benches full of sprinters who do 15 minute shifts down the wings.
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Dec 6, 2022 07:50
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At every corner kick both teams bring on five 2 meter tall heading specialists.
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Imagine showing up to your Sunday league game and the opposition have a full special teams lineup in a second minibus.
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sassassin posted:Imagine showing up to your Sunday league game and the opposition have a full special teams lineup in a second minibus. amateur league but i played once a game on the hottest day in Ontario, where our team had 9 players, and their team had 22 players and literally switched the entire squad on and off every 15 minutes.
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sassassin posted:Fatigue is part of the established tactical game. Possession styles depend on being able to wear teams out. Most dominant sides will score lots of winning goals in "Fergie Time" as a feature not a coincidence. I knew that you would say this. I was thinking more subs but not allowing subbed players to return, à la baseball. However, I would point out that having a fullback run for 60 minutes, then come off for 15 and come back for the last quarter-hour doesn't mean he's going to be entirely fresh - far from it. Even first-line hockey players only play about 22 minutes out of a 60-minute match. Slotducks posted:amateur league but i played once a game on the hottest day in Ontario, where our team had 9 players, and their team had 22 players and literally switched the entire squad on and off every 15 minutes. Sassypants does have a point. I watched an ultimate frisbee game a few months ago (7 on 7) where one team only brought 7 and the other team 11. The 7-man team was vastly better and was up 6-0... then lost 8-6. The game allows open subs at every point scored, and the 7-person team was gassed. Edit: You just reminded me of an anecdote from my teen years when I played travel baseball every summer. One day we were in Ottawa in July... blazing loving hot, maybe 38C. I was the only catcher on my team and we had an 18-inning game. I was so sore that I couldn't move the next two days and I had to go hospital for fluids due to mild dehydration. We did win, though. JustJeff88 fucked around with this message at 17:49 on Dec 6, 2022 |
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Also it's 5 subs in most leagues now, yes? At least in FM22 forwards (wish I could change that in '21).
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Moktaro posted:Also it's 5 subs in most leagues now, yes? At least in FM22 forwards (wish I could change that in '21). Is it, and is that a reflection of real-life leagues? If so, that's a really good change.
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JustJeff88 posted:Is it, and is that a reflection of real-life leagues? If so, that's a really good change. Yep, it was a reaction to COVID. Just drew Arsenal in the Caribao Cup and got dissed by Arteta, who's somehow still there in 2047. EDIT: Lost 1-0, Arteta was more gracious after the match. Moktaro fucked around with this message at 22:20 on Dec 18, 2022 |
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Simeone finally retired from Atletico in 2035 in my current save
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Work is painful tonight. I just want to get back to my Dulwich Hamlet save. I've back to backed them to the Premiership, with what's basically a league 1 quality side. Yet the loving fans never give me beyond a B and they named the new stadium after some other chump who most certainly didn't take them from the second top flight of non league football to the Premiership in 5 years. Managed to get a few good lads in from Brazil and Argentina, but it'll take a miracle to finish above 20th. Stupid premier League TV money should help though. I quadrupled my wage budget and can now spend almost half a million a week on wages!
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in my save solskjaer stayed at man u until he retired (sometime in the 2040s IIRC). lampard was also at chelsea for a like 10 years but got sacked eventually. i think legend status at a club buys you a lot more patience on FM than it does in real life the oddest managerial thing i saw though was probably guardiola leaving city after 2 seasons… so he could take the spurs job
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Moktaro posted:Also it's 5 subs in most leagues now, yes? At least in FM22 forwards (wish I could change that in '21). Haven't gotten the new game in a couple of years. Have they introduced concussion subs?
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Mickolution posted:Haven't gotten the new game in a couple of years. Have they introduced concussion subs? I didn't know that that was a thing as I don't watch football anymore. Are concussions that bad now in association football? In gridiron football they are epidemic, but I would think that proper football is much more about torn knee ligaments. I could definitely see a knock or two happening during a contested header, though.
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Concussions are definitely a big problem in what Americans call soccer. Not just at high or even competitive levels either, I know a woman who got concussed playing in a casual coed league and has had intermittently debilitating post-concussive problems for years since.
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JustJeff88 posted:I didn't know that that was a thing as I don't watch football anymore. Are concussions that bad now in association football? In gridiron football they are epidemic, but I would think that proper football is much more about torn knee ligaments. I could definitely see a knock or two happening during a contested header, though. Nowhere near as big a thing as in American Football, but it's been a cause of concern for a while. I'm far from an expert on this, but afaik, there's two things at play here. Firstly there's what you describe, where a player gets a bang on the head. They introduced concussion subs a couple of seasons ago, where it doesn't count towards your allocated subs. I've only seen it used a couple of times and we still seem to have players staying on because they want to, when it shouldn't be their decision. The subsequent increase in the amount of subs available has rendered it a bit useless. Secondly, there's the effects of heading a football every day for a couple of decades. There's also the fact that balls were heavier in the past. A long retired player called Jeff Astle died around 20 years ago and was the first British player known to have died as a result of heading a football (according to Wikipedia). Since then there's been a growing interest in it. I think his family were part of a campaign to highlight it. There have been calls to ban headers, either completely or for kids, but I don't know how that would work in reality. There's a thread about it here: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3976547
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I was surprised by the increase in available subs/actual subs in the major leagues, though limiting them to three actual moments of substitution is moronic. Everyone is so hidebound to tradition, but then again baseball is making major rules changes next year too. In both cases, I am sure that a lot of people are complaining about it. On the other hand, I'm rather shocked, in a good way mind, that they are allowing concussion subs in association football. Gridiron has always had free subs, but the NFL makes barely any effort to do anything real about it. The violence of the sport is what Americans like, and it's inseperable from the commercial appeal. If we could take, for example, flopping out of association football, the game would be better off for it. The question is simply how to do so. Take the violence out of gridiron and no-one cares anymore. Hockey would have a similar problem with fighting and checking.
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Why is it that I so often sell players to American teams for significant (by MLS standards) sums of money only for the player to be released on a free (waived) within weeks?
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Eric the Mauve posted:Why is it that I so often sell players to American teams for significant (by MLS standards) sums of money only for the player to be released on a free (waived) within weeks? Because the AI is bad at managing MLS squad limits (mostly the salary cap and all the fiddly exceptions and workarounds to it) and since anyone you can't register immediately gets released, well, hilarity ensues.
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It's kind of hilarious how consistent the system is. 1. Transfer list player I'm never going to use/is grumpy about playing time 2. Get 10 or more identical bids from most of the teams in MLS (it's clear the AI does no actual financial modeling at all for MLS teams, it just goes purely by whatever valuation it puts on the player) 3a. (half the time) the player rejects all the bids and remains grumpy in my U23 side, correctly believing being sold to an American team an insult or 3b. (half the time) the player signs with one of the 10+ teams at random, leading to 4. (80% of the time) the player is released on a free within weeks, sometimes days (I've seen it happen the very next day after signing a 4 year Important Player contract)
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I'm enjoying 23 Mobile, it's nicely streamlined. Started as Wycombe in league 1, for some reason Watford let me loan Pedro half way through the season which helped me win promotion. However I'm struggling in mid table now in my second Championship season, despite doing some good business picking up and flipping some players on frees. In particular, I'm constantly conceding goals from directly in front of the penalty box, but my players absolutely never score from there (or from set pieces for that matter). My strikers all have 13+ shooting, any ideas? I'm generally playing some sort of 4-2-3-1 or 4-4-2 pressing with mixed passes. I think mobile is on an older version of the desktop engine.
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distortion park posted:I'm enjoying 23 Mobile, it's nicely streamlined. Started as Wycombe in league 1, for some reason Watford let me loan Pedro half way through the season which helped me win promotion. However I'm struggling in mid table now in my second Championship season, despite doing some good business picking up and flipping some players on frees. In particular, I'm constantly conceding goals from directly in front of the penalty box, but my players absolutely never score from there (or from set pieces for that matter). My strikers all have 13+ shooting, any ideas? I'm generally playing some sort of 4-2-3-1 or 4-4-2 pressing with mixed passes. I think mobile is on an older version of the desktop engine. Mentals and physicals are more important than technicals outside of the very top tier of clubs. 13 is also kind of average for an attribute at the championship level. Don’t worry about midtable. Take your championship money and get better players for next year.
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