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ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

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ArmedZombie
Jun 6, 2004


merry Christmas! lol!

HAIL eSATA-n
Apr 7, 2007


the solution is obviously more capitalism

Palladium
May 8, 2012

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HAIL eSATA-n posted:

the solution is obviously more capitalism

you see, one of the perks of being a cucked colony is other people sometimes forget you are a cucked colony

jeebus bob
Nov 4, 2004

Festina lente
Economists: A causes B
Reality: B despite no A
Economists: needs more A
Reality: A but no B
Economists: :iiam:

tokin opposition
Apr 8, 2021

I don't jailbreak the androids, I set them free.

WATCH MARS EXPRESS (2023)
Must be Obamacare stifling the free market

BonHair
Apr 28, 2007

jeebus bob posted:

Economists: A causes B
Reality: B despite no A
Economists: needs more A
Reality: A but no B
Economists: :iiam:

A is austerity, right?

Professor Shark
May 22, 2012

are journalists in America not allowed to talk about nhs?

HAIL eSATA-n
Apr 7, 2007


that would be communist thought

Coolness Averted
Feb 20, 2007

oh don't worry, I can't smell asparagus piss, it's in my DNA

GO HOGG WILD!
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Professor Shark posted:

are journalists in America not allowed to talk about nhs?

Only that it's failing and people sometimes fly from NHS countries to America because they can't wait in the queue anymore!

Look I needed this nosejob and butt-lift before my winter holiday!

Professor Shark
May 22, 2012

Coolness Averted posted:

Only that it's failing and people sometimes fly from NHS countries to America because they can't wait in the queue anymore!

Look I needed this nosejob and butt-lift before my winter holiday!

ugh remember that Canadian who had had benign cancer and found out she wasn’t a priority to have her unsightly tumour removed because other people have malignant cancer and she was super pissed off and agreed to travel to the US to get it removed as long as she agreed to lie about Canada’s UHC to dumb Republicans?

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

Я выдуман напрочь
The actual NHS isn't super great at the moment. Mental healthcare is in total disarray and we have an A&E crisis every single winter, but waiting a couple of months for treatment beats a billion dollars of debt .

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

Я выдуман напрочь
Mental healthcare is really bad. I personally know someone who was diagnosed bipolar who had a mental health nurse suggest that they try standing on grass for a while

BonHair
Apr 28, 2007

NHS is peak starve the beast liberalism in action. Just remove funding and increase micromanaging until it's poo poo or downright breaks, then blame it on the social democrats and privatise the whole thing. Because private is perfect.

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

Я выдуман напрочь

BonHair posted:

NHS is peak starve the beast liberalism in action. Just remove funding and increase micromanaging until it's poo poo or downright breaks, then blame it on the social democrats and privatise the whole thing. Because private is perfect.

The social democrats were the ones who started the starving with a bunch of idiotic schemes to get the private sector involved. Our entire political establishment has decided to kill the last good thing about our ruined country

cenotaph
Mar 2, 2013



Everybody talks about wait times in other countries but I had a three month wait to see a rheumatologist to diagnose my arthritis and in that time I went from mild pain after mowing the lawn to being stranded halfway up my stairs in the middle of the night and calling out for help.

BonHair
Apr 28, 2007

ContinuityNewTimes posted:

The social democrats were the ones who started the starving with a bunch of idiotic schemes to get the private sector involved. Our entire political establishment has decided to kill the last good thing about our ruined country

Assuming you're referring to Blair, his whole deal was basically turning Labour into a liberal party and denouncing all the socialism of the past.

Ruffian Price
Sep 17, 2016

cenotaph posted:

Everybody talks about wait times in other countries
the queues in my local hospital are usually several months long but a fun thing I can do is get on the national UHC online registration system and sort hospitals by wait time :v: trains run everywhere anyway, might as well get something on the other side of the country

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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Taco Defender

Coolness Averted posted:

Only that it's failing and people sometimes fly from NHS countries to America because they can't wait in the queue anymore!

Look I needed this nosejob and butt-lift before my winter holiday!

Sure would be bad if we had to wait for needed medical care in the USA.

Oh, wait. Back in March of this year, I started experiencing rapidly-degenerating vision, and got referred to some specialists (got referrals to literally every person with this specialty within 500 miles, or 800 km for metric folks), and the soonest appointment I could get was December. As in, this month.

My primary care doctor had me go to a specific ER attached to a hospital system that had a bunch of vision specialists (including one of the folks with the specific specialty I needed), which got me on their priority list and got me an appointment in "only" a month and a half (I get the feeling they rescheduled somebody else).

Peanut President
Nov 5, 2008

by Athanatos
my hrt clinic has a 4 month wait for appointments

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

ContinuityNewTimes posted:

Mental healthcare is really bad. I personally know someone who was diagnosed bipolar who had a mental health nurse suggest that they try standing on grass for a while

What's that nurses username

cenotaph
Mar 2, 2013



Ruffian Price posted:

the queues in my local hospital are usually several months long but a fun thing I can do is get on the national UHC online registration system and sort hospitals by wait time :v: trains run everywhere anyway, might as well get something on the other side of the country

A train? Those freight things that run by my house every night? You all must be pretty desperate to hitch a ride on one of those!

Unless
Jul 24, 2005

I art



cenotaph posted:

A train? Those freight things that run by my house every night? You all must be pretty desperate to hitch a ride on one of those!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlJK_OzjLE4

Zamujasa
Oct 27, 2010



Bread Liar
my experience with us health care is seeing a general doctor about ongoing health conditions. "have them schedule you an appointment" "sorry we literally cannot schedule literally anything because every slot for the entire time we are able to add appointments is full, maybe you can try calling every day at 6 to see if someone cancelled"

or god, the group appointment lmao, that was a real health care funsie

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



ContinuityNewTimes posted:

The social democrats were the ones who started the starving with a bunch of idiotic schemes to get the private sector involved. Our entire political establishment has decided to kill the last good thing about our ruined country

The social democrats go along with it then gain nothing in the end because it's a deeply stupid ideology that's formally committed to believing in nothing compared to liberalism which is content to just keep it between the lines

I'm pretty sure it's a 6 month wait here to get a primary care doctor. Depending on what's wrong with you waits extend into the years. When the NHS is formally shuttered it's not getting replaced with anything better, which I don't think is news to anyone here

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May 8, 2012

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Zamujasa posted:

my experience with us health care is seeing a general doctor about ongoing health conditions. "have them schedule you an appointment" "sorry we literally cannot schedule literally anything because every slot for the entire time we are able to add appointments is full, maybe you can try calling every day at 6 to see if someone cancelled"

or god, the group appointment lmao, that was a real health care funsie

thats supremely funny when you put that besides the "no sick days allowed" railroad workers

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

the US insurance system is so bad for primary care specifically that the concierge/direct care subscription or retainer based practices can outright save you money :psyduck:

tokin opposition
Apr 8, 2021

I don't jailbreak the androids, I set them free.

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I've had three therapists in as many months because they keep quitting

Colonel Cancer
Sep 26, 2015

Tune into the fireplace channel, you absolute buffoon
Therapist therapist must be a growth field

Zamujasa
Oct 27, 2010



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tokin opposition posted:

I've had three therapists in as many months because they keep quitting

mine stopped taking my insurance after two years and basically said "peace, thanks for coming to all your appointments, good luck finding a new doctor". lol


some of the poo poo that one general practice place did was real funny. the "group appointment" they tried to get everyone into (to free up single patient appointments) basically had you sign away a bunch of privacy, then in the appointment it was you, the doctor, a few assistants to handle check ins/vitals, and uh, 20 other people seated in a big circle, going through everyone one by one

the only "private" moments were when you were behind the corner for your vitals check and to discuss what you were there for and anything the doctor should know

notably not private was the general conversation between you and the doctor, which is how i got to hear the medical problems and ongoing issues of the 11 people in front of me in line


greatest health care in the world

a strange fowl
Oct 27, 2022

Colonel Cancer posted:

Therapist therapist must be a growth field
it is

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

This particularly rapid💨 unintelligible 😖patter💁 isn't generally heard🧏‍♂️, and if it is🤔, it doesn't matter💁.


My husband's provider, Sutter health, just sent him mail saying "your psych just quit, sorry we can't provide a new one."

Nitevision
Oct 5, 2004

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Zamujasa posted:

some of the poo poo that one general practice place did was real funny. the "group appointment" they tried to get everyone into (to free up single patient appointments) basically had you sign away a bunch of privacy, then in the appointment it was you, the doctor, a few assistants to handle check ins/vitals, and uh, 20 other people seated in a big circle, going through everyone one by one

the only "private" moments were when you were behind the corner for your vitals check and to discuss what you were there for and anything the doctor should know

notably not private was the general conversation between you and the doctor, which is how i got to hear the medical problems and ongoing issues of the 11 people in front of me in line


greatest health care in the world

What.... da gently caress

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Ruffian Price
Sep 17, 2016

funnily enough these are meant to be bought by plastic collectors who have shelves full of unopened monopoly variants

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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Taco Defender

hobbesmaster posted:

the US insurance system is so bad for primary care specifically that the concierge/direct care subscription or retainer based practices can outright save you money :psyduck:

Story time. I ended up with heart failure almost seven years ago because a random cold infected my heart (probably; it's not proven, but my cardiologist has ruled pretty much every other possibility out). My insurance will only pay for an echocardiogram every three years to see how my heart's doing, so if I want to do one every year like my cardiologist would prefer, I'd need to spend around $10,000 on each one at any of the hospitals or imaging practices around here.

Instead, I'm paying a concierge doctor a couple hundred bucks a month, and she has all the poo poo to do an echocardiogram in her office. I don't exactly make a fuckton of money, but this is kinda important to staying alive, so I take a chunk out of my monthly budget for the retainer fee, and I'm saving a shitload of money over what I'd be paying my insurance for them (and that's before we talk deductible, coinsurance, etc.).

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?
I've been having chest pains for a while and jumped through a bunch of hoops to see a cardiologist on a reduced fee program and it still wound up costing me 3k lol

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May 8, 2012

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Milo and POTUS posted:

I've been having chest pains for a while and jumped through a bunch of hoops to see a cardiologist on a reduced fee program and it still wound up costing me 3k lol

would have cost less if you had more free speech

BonHair
Apr 28, 2007

I would simply use my Freedom to not get sick.

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Professor Shark
May 22, 2012

At least you guys get to have lots of guns, I guess?

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