Frosted Flake posted:

I really, really want to hammer this in: all of this is the result of the partitions of Poland, exactly 250 years ago.

This seems to confirm that no liberals have read history books.

Futanari Damacy posted:

I will momentarily entertain the ludicrous notion if only to affirm that any partition of Russia would require the country be occupied and the people proposing it are usually toadies residing in the west, so beyond showing rear end in referring to "we/us" doing the partition it implies a military occupation of Russia by forces other than Ukraine, presumably NATO. But immediately there is the logistical problem of who is actually going to do that- not just what bloc is going to supply the troops, but the physical number of them that would be required to do so. It's such a poorly thought out, stupid idea. Do they not think that Russia would have been so partitioned in 1991 if the power or ability to have done so existed?

Futanari Damacy posted:

I will momentarily entertain the ludicrous notion if only to affirm that any partition of Russia would require the country be occupied and the people proposing it are usually toadies residing in the west, so beyond showing rear end in referring to "we/us" doing the partition it implies a military occupation of Russia by forces other than Ukraine, presumably NATO. But immediately there is the logistical problem of who is actually going to do that- not just what bloc is going to supply the troops, but the physical number of them that would be required to do so. It's such a poorly thought out, stupid idea. Do they not think that Russia would have been so partitioned in 1991 if the power or ability to have done so existed?

Frosted Flake posted:

I really, really want to hammer this in: all of this is the result of the partitions of Poland, exactly 250 years ago.

This seems to confirm that no liberals have read history books.

Rutibex posted:

they are projecting. its actually the collapse of the USA that is inevitable and coming soon

Throatwarbler posted:

According to RWA, the 3 areas with the biggest non-Russian populations are Chechnya/North Caucasus, Buryatia and Tuva, and, well, the separatist Chechens are at least fighting Other Chechens. In Ukraine. The area with the most antipathy towards Moscow is Leningrad/St. Petersburg who might want to raise up the standard and join Estonia or Finland.

Ardennes posted:

People from Peter bitch more than average but it is very doubtful any serious percentage want to actually leave Russia. (Also Estonia in that case would be a suburb of St.Petersburg and Finland would nearly be majority Russian.)

lobotomy molo posted:

all people come from peter if u really think about it

Ardennes posted:

I am kind of skeptical of “reports from the front” on social media from both sides at this point, it is just too easy someone to spin things either way.

The verified movement on the front is still very minor. It does seem like the Ukrainians have been pushing some counter-attacks in the north but they don’t seem to make it outside no-man’s land. The Russians haven’t reached the center of Bakmut but there has been some movement around the sides.

There is still the argument about casualties but they are probably the same degree as the rest of the war.

Lostconfused posted:

They also don't say anything outrageous or new either.

They've always been pessimistic, but just got downright depressed after the strikes on infrastructure started.

From the Russian side there's a video of two wagner guys complaining about lack of artillery shells, which brings up the question of why wagner is complaining to the general staff but whatever.

Then there was another one where some militia commander was beating conscripts because they might or might not have left their position without orders.

Throatwarbler posted:

According to RWA, the 3 areas with the biggest non-Russian populations are Chechnya/North Caucasus, Buryatia and Tuva, and, well, the separatist Chechens are at least fighting Other Chechens. In Ukraine. The area with the most antipathy towards Moscow is Leningrad/St. Petersburg who might want to raise up the standard and join Estonia or Finland.

Futanari Damacy posted:

Do they not think that Russia would have been so partitioned in 1991 if the power or ability to have done so existed?

Lostconfused posted:

They also don't say anything outrageous or new either.

They've always been pessimistic, but just got downright depressed after the strikes on infrastructure started.

From the Russian side there's a video of two wagner guys complaining about lack of artillery shells, which brings up the question of why wagner is complaining to the general staff but whatever.

Then there was another one where some militia commander was beating conscripts because they might or might not have left their position without orders.

GREY ZONE posted:

_{(Click thumbnail to open video)}
Today Yevgeny Prigozhin visited his fighters from the "Wagner Group" on the Bakhmut front on an emergency basis once again.

This happened the same hour as a video spread on the network, where the "Wagnerites" criticized the Chief of the General Staff of the Russian Defense Ministry Valery Gerasimov. In particular, the words that he was, quote, "a human being and a dick (loving)" were heard. After which the "musicians" complained about the lack of artillery ammunition, which makes it impossible for them to help their infantry, which without it suffered more losses than it might have at Bakhmut.

Well, despite the lack of horns, hooves and tail of the person subject to the accusation, I cannot refute the theses put forward by the fighters, but I can definitely confirm the existence of a problem with artillery ammunition.

Further, despite the fact that Vladimir Putin, during a recent speech at a Defense Ministry collegium, said that the military department should be careful about criticism of its own, which can be emotional, they rushed to declare that the "Wagnerians" video was a throw-in by the TsIPSO and a fake by "Ukrainian nationalists." But Prigozhin found these positions, went there and did not see "Ukrainian nationalists" there, but saw his own fighters, who confirmed the problem.

In his turn, the head of the "Wagner Group" stated that he would seek a solution to this problem, as well as to any problem concerning the "band," despite the inaction of cabinet military officials, because for him, his fighters, the needs of the front and the interests of the Motherland come first.

@grey_zone

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GlassElephant posted:

Prigozhin is now amplifying the complaints about supplies of artillery shells.

_{(from t.me/grey_zone/16360, via tgsa)}

I imagine part of this is a ploy to seize more resources and control from the regular army.

GlassElephant posted:

Prigozhin is now amplifying the complaints about supplies of artillery shells.

_{(from t.me/grey_zone/16360, via tgsa)}

I imagine part of this is a ploy to seize more resources and control from the regular army.

Slavvy posted:

evilmiera posted:

"a dick (loving)" should be the new thread title

Frosted Flake posted:

It is funny when people who quietly watch the thread feel the need to show their hand

Throatwarbler posted:

https://twitter.com/NinaByzantina/status/1607592121917403136?t=4DzszPW9y-_OLP2qnL5NPg

Lostconfused posted:

I am not trying to be a huge rear end about it or anything.

That was the video I mentioned, it's this one

https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1607341682906873857

And on the Russian side almost everyone mentioned how Prigozhin didn't make any comment about how the video is fake, or not true. But I haven't seen anything that suggests he is trying to amplify or spread this story somehow. In that post it just says he visited his guys, and in that short clip they say everything is fine or whatever.

Ardennes posted:

On that point, various parts of social media are complaining about “creating moonscapes” which seems kind of…idiotic. It is a war in many ways about mass artillery fire, how do you do that without a bunch of craters being created? Neither side is going to be able to produce enough more precision shells to get the job anywhere done.

Danann posted:

Not sure how much of it is that grass is greener on the other side but Rybar/Milinfo/Elder Edda and co. have been spilling tons of ink about the need to expand production and use of precision shells for a while.

Right History | Z posted:

Hope the last ring was forged for Prigozhin...

Lostconfused posted:

Critical support for Ukraine's attempt to disolve the UN security council and destroy UN in general.

Ardennes posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkhCZmo_z8U

Here is the full video, he mentions that the Ukrainians are having to learn to "grap the Russians by the belt".