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What is the most powerful flying bug?
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🦋 15 3.71%
🦇 115 28.47%
🪰 12 2.97%
🐦 67 16.58%
dragonfly 94 23.27%
🦟 14 3.47%
🐝 87 21.53%
Total: 404 votes
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Endman
May 18, 2010

That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die


Lostconfused posted:

For Russia it has to be Borodino.

If only Napoleon had sent in the Guard :eng99:

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GlassElephant
Oct 25, 2009

Schwere Panzerabteilung 502
Discovered they were Glass Elephants, 27 APR 45

mlmp08 posted:

In any case, Excalibur is making up less than 1.4% of contracted US artillery round purchases over the next several years. Most of the rest is unguided artillery.

Excalibur will remain a niche use, considering that GMLRS are being purchased at a rate of about 9-10x more than Excalibur, and GMLRS have better range and kinetic effect, though requiring a different launcher. Given Excalibur unit costs, the DOD is moving toward precision kits that can be slapped onto existing rounds to make them "good enough" precision guided rounds for a lot less money, kind of like JDAM kits versus purpose-built guided munitions.

One point I see several of the Russian telegram bloggers making is that there was a company that had developed similar guided fuse kits with GLONASS guidance for 152mm shells in 2011, but it was allegedly driven into bankruptcy by corruption.

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Lostconfused posted:

For Russia it has to be Borodino.

im borodino as gently caress, get on with it already!

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012


So many wars have been won and lost on the back of infantry small arms like .... and ....

Yes I realise it's meant to be indicative of them generally taking this whole war business more seriously now

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

I mean it's also the russian airforce, they're more likely to run into a Ukrainian UAV than anything else.

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

The Chinese are investing a lot of money into infantry research, especially those dope exoskeletons.

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Cpt_Obvious posted:

The Chinese are investing a lot of money into infantry research, especially those dope exoskeletons.

yeah but they actually have capacity to manufacture things. you can’t manufacture dope exoskeletons with medical debt and finance grift

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

Endman posted:

I come from the very normal country of Australia where we can't stop wanking off about Gallipoli, a battle mostly fought by the English, Canadians, Indians and French where we all got merrily slaughtered by the Ottomans!

I'm not Australian, but had to learn about William "Uncle Bill" Slim and his exploits. They tended not to mention that he was later accused by multiple children of molesting them after he retired and became a patron of a school. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Slim,_1st_Viscount_Slim#Allegations

lobotomy molo posted:

yeah but they actually have capacity to manufacture things.

Is this the "America doesn't even make anything anymore" canard?

mlmp08 has issued a correction as of 00:41 on Dec 28, 2022

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Springer has some very good titles, on for example Military Geography, but their analysis of Geopolitics is, charitably, dubious. For example, take

NATO’s Expansion After the Cold War: Geopolitics and Impacts for International Security

Publisher's Description posted:

Offers an in-depth case study NATO’s expansion into the post-Soviet space
Sheds new light on the geopolitical and geostrategic context of the expansion
Assesses the impact of the expansion on international security relations in Europe

Reality posted:

The central concept of this book is a word which is composed of 9 letters: "expansion." This word will be used strictly without any political or ideological connotations. It will be used here in all its variants regardless of the state which expands and also regardless of the direction of its expansion and the arguments used for its justification. This approach is deduced from the natural sciences. First, mathematics, the "Queen of all sciences," has the following definition: (a + b)^2 is the basic formula, while a^2 + 2ab + b^2 is the expanded formula. Second, in physics, the word "expansion" is used to describe an increase in the volume of working fluid. Lastly, in geography, expansion means that a country enlarges its frontiers or its dominant influence in the world. In other words, the term "expansion" will be used without any pejorative or normative context or meaning.

...



...



...

Matthew Kroenig from Georgetown University articulated three radical propositions in connection with this matter: a hard-line policy towards Russia, reinforcement of NATO military units in Eastern Europe, and a growing emphasis on nuclear weapons and the nuclear deterrent of Russia. Kroenig's emphasis on a military answer to Putin's policy was shared by Ashton Carter, the US Secretary of Defense between 2015 and 2017, who did not hesitate to present Russia as an imminent security threat for the new allies of the USA, particularly the Baltic states. Carter concluded that after Crimea, the aim of his country is not only to deter but also, if necessary, to win a conventional fight with Russia.

Moreover, Carter's article represented an important move from a deterrent to the possibility of direct confrontation that could happen not only on land but also on the sea, in the air, in space, and in cyberspace. His argumentation had a strong neorealist dimension, reflecting the emphasis on the reinforcement of the American military presence in the post-Soviet space. As a result, it confirmed the productive consequences of the annexation of Crimea, and it was followed by the return of American war scenarios whose aim is to transfer fights to Russian territory as soon as possible.

Carter's arguments were not only discussed by academicians, but they became the key inspiration for the political elites of the USA. They were shared and cited even by Vice President Joseph Biden, who did not hesitate to label Russia as an authoritarian kleptomaniac regime that is aggressive towards its neighbors, develops its subversive operations, and supports extreme right parties in European countries. Biden fully shared the belief that the US and its allies must deter and, if necessary, defeat Russia in case it attacks any NATO member country.

All the above-mentioned critical authors reproached Putin for the following key faults: unilateralism, disrespect for international law, militarism, aggressiveness, and the negative and counterproductive consequences of his actions for international security relations 25 years after the end of the Cold War.

...

The process of NATO expansion confirmed the academic value of all three pillars of realism. First, groupism is typical for this process. The entry of new countries into NATO resulted in an unprecedented enlargement of the group of countries with security guarantees from the USA. But at the same time, Russia, as an outsider of this group, continues to present itself as a loser, as a country whose security interests have not been taken into consideration and continue to be ignored.

Second, egoism has been typical for the new member states as well as for the USA. The new member states were satisfied by the security guarantees of the strongest state in the contemporary world, regardless of the international consequences. And the USA obtained new allies, and, especially, a new strategic depth in case of military confrontation. On the other hand, Russia presented its egoism through its use of force in 2008 and especially in 2014. As a result, we are witnessing a clash of two forms of security egoism, which results in a dangerous move from positive peace (which was typical for the first half of the 1990s) towards negative peace.

Finally, power-centrism has been manifested by the maximization of power for the USA to the detriment of the power of Russia. This trend was typical not only for hard power (namely the enlargement of territories and the building of new military bases and garrisons as strong instruments of external balancing) but also, if not especially, for soft power (the attractiveness of the Western way of life, and the force of the West's example and conviction) of these two competitors.

Endman
May 18, 2010

That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die


mlmp08 posted:

I'm not Australian, but had to learn about William "Uncle Bill" Slim and his exploits. They tended not to mention that he was later accused by multiple children of molesting them after he retired and became a patron of a school. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Slim,_1st_Viscount_Slim#Allegations

It's honestly a lot harder to figure out which of the guys who wielded power in the British Empire weren't pedos

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Endman posted:

It's honestly a lot harder to figure out which of the guys who wielded power in the British Empire weren't pedos

The repressed homosexual psycho Anglicans like James Brooke and Charles Gordon who devoted all of their energy into loving Queen Victoria.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Cpt_Obvious posted:

The Chinese are investing a lot of money into infantry research, especially those dope exoskeletons.

Infantry small arms and other equipment is basically irrelevant in a combat sense (morale/psychology is a different matter). In a big boy shooting war their job is to occupy fortifications and act as submachinegunners for close assaults, that's all they're good for. You could quite literally equip any given modern army with m1 garands instead of whatever assault rifle they have and it would change nearly nothing because all the killing is done by crew served weapons, tanks and aircraft and all the other mechanized stuff. Exoskeletons are super cool sci-fi stuff but would change next to nothing in the grand scheme of things.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

Slavvy posted:

Exoskeletons are super cool sci-fi stuff but would change next to nothing in the grand scheme of things.
They allow soldiers to carry more ammo for the crew served weapons.

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

What if they allow crewed weapons to be used and carries by fewer soldiers?

Grognan
Jan 23, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
I was thinking artillery gun pit help but you either are cabled up to a generator or you have battery packs that probably do a good impression of a tesla on fire if perforated by shrapnel. and then it stops working and is dead weight. really really expensive dead weight.

Zeppelin Insanity
Oct 28, 2009

Wahnsinn
Einfach
Wahnsinn
Pair an exoskeleton crew with a Soviet howitzer for a 24 hour fire mission

casually juggling 152mm HE

Endman
May 18, 2010

That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die


I give an infantry exo-skeleton approximately five minutes before it gets gummed up with mud or tangled in foliage

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

Endman posted:

I give an infantry exo-skeleton approximately five minutes before it gets gummed up with mud or tangled in foliage

if they become useful, might be more in maintenance or warehouse use than running in the field. But I dunno, forklifts and cranes are already pretty good.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Slavvy posted:

Infantry small arms and other equipment is basically irrelevant in a combat sense (morale/psychology is a different matter). In a big boy shooting war their job is to occupy fortifications and act as submachinegunners for close assaults, that's all they're good for. You could quite literally equip any given modern army with m1 garands instead of whatever assault rifle they have and it would change nearly nothing because all the killing is done by crew served weapons, tanks and aircraft and all the other mechanized stuff. Exoskeletons are super cool sci-fi stuff but would change next to nothing in the grand scheme of things.

Israel had great results when they reorganized infantry sections to just be Uzis and FN MAGs but it was demoralizing so they introduced the Galil.

I don't believe this is a psychological problem though. Not making infantrymen carry their rucks when they don't need them would seem to be a much better solution than developing an exoskeleton, cooling vest etc. etc. but somehow that's been lost. Soldiers have had to carry packs on the march literally since Old Kingdom Egypt, and have never gone into action with them if they didn't have to. On extended marches, similarly, it's always been the norm to have extra kit carried by mules, porters, wagons, trucks etc. as echelon baggage and follow-on kit.

Without going into all of the literature, this seems like the MIC taking on a life of its own and trying to "solve" a problem that does not exist in soldiering, but does in the public imagination. People who have not rucked don't really understand it, nor do they realize you just dump your ruck x hundred metres away from going into action, leave the 2IC and a few other people there, and that's that.

If China wants to throw money at their MIC to gently caress around, that's fine, but they already have the solution for "what to do with extra gear on extended marches?" and "where do the infantrymen put their packs when breaking off a march?"



It's a copy of the Iveco VM 90 and it's cheap and reliable.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
Can you put radar on an arrow and like

Make it a guided arrow

Slim Jim Pickens
Jan 16, 2012
All the photos of the Chinese exoskeleton stuff seem to be soldiers rucking off-road. Makes sense they'd pursue that, most of the Chinese border is mountains or desert with poor infrastructure so the soldiers will have to do a lot of marching.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

That's what trucks are for :colbert:

Besides imagine the insane extra logistical complexity just to make every guy physically stronger. All the parts and maintenance and technicians and ugh. Easier to just build another truck instead.

E: beaten like Russian conscript

For mountainous terrain I think the exoskeleton would have to be loving magical to better the humble donkey

Slavvy has issued a correction as of 01:08 on Dec 28, 2022

Endman
May 18, 2010

That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die


I remember from being a cadet that carrying the big pack and all the webbing made me very sad, and taking it off made me feel very good

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

https://twitter.com/zhao_dashuai/status/1566818160128720897

PLA is already using exoskeleton for their logistics guys.

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Slavvy posted:

Infantry small arms and other equipment is basically irrelevant in a combat sense (morale/psychology is a different matter). In a big boy shooting war their job is to occupy fortifications and act as submachinegunners for close assaults, that's all they're good for. You could quite literally equip any given modern army with m1 garands instead of whatever assault rifle they have and it would change nearly nothing because all the killing is done by crew served weapons, tanks and aircraft and all the other mechanized stuff. Exoskeletons are super cool sci-fi stuff but would change next to nothing in the grand scheme of things.

Look at this guy going into battle with a weapon that's less than 100 years old.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

Danann posted:

https://twitter.com/zhao_dashuai/status/1566818160128720897

PLA is already using exoskeleton for their logistics guys.

Hard to see from a distant still image but it connects knees and shoulders and helps… somehow?

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

Frosted Flake posted:

Both the Galician and Croatian identities were artificial in the sense that they were constructed and shaped by external forces, rather than being based on a shared history or cultural traditions.

i don't know about galicia but in the croatian case this sounds highly doubtful

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

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lol like literally we have problems every single winter where the new, high tech, Frame of the Future (B,C are the popular Down East frames)



snaps like a twig from the cold, causing someone to limp around with a broken pack. The 60's aluminum (A Canadian, E American) or 80's wire (D) frames are ergonomically imperfect, probably don't distribute weight ideally, and are heavier... but would you rather have your rucksack distributing your weight imperfectly or not at all? It's very very hard to totally write off an aluminum rucksack frame, it's surprisingly easy to do so with the polymer. They've gotten much better, but still.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Lostconfused posted:

Look at this guy going into battle with a weapon that's less than 100 years old.



Ah, but semi automatic fire is actually genuinely an epochal, qualitative change. Every modern rifle is ultimately an ultra refined version of something like a garand, whereas a bolt action rifle is fundamentally inferior and would very much impact combat effectiveness in the few areas infantry rifles are actually useful. Being able to take a few quick shots vs just one at a time is absolutely massive, it's comparable to the jump that happened with smokeless powder or breech loading guns.

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Ardennes posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkhCZmo_z8U

Here is the full video, he mentions that the Ukrainians are having to learn to "grap the Russians by the belt".

Watching this video and people still don't understand what the russians are like.

"Even more sealed an isolated than soviet union."

Buddy, Russian nazis are indistinguishable from US nazis besides that their blood and soil memes are written in cyrillic.

Slim Jim Pickens
Jan 16, 2012

Slavvy posted:

That's what trucks are for :colbert:

Besides imagine the insane extra logistical complexity just to make every guy physically stronger. All the parts and maintenance and technicians and ugh. Easier to just build another truck instead.

E: beaten like Russian conscript

For mountainous terrain I think the exoskeleton would have to be loving magical to better the humble donkey

Trucks don't go up mountains

Animals are convenient when there are a lot of them. China has urbanized so quickly that there aren't a lot of donkeys around anymore. The count of donkeys and mules has dropped by 250% and 500% over the last 20 years. Running a husbandry program for military animals has never been economical, whereas exoskeletons are just bits and bobs of metal. It seems that various iterations aren't even powered, but reduce the strain of carrying poo poo up mountains.

https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1206395.shtml

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202101/1212636.shtml

Mentioned in this article is the fact that they are being used by units in Tibet or high-altitude regions. You can drive a truck through Tibet, but if you want something actually on the mountain, something living needs to drag it up there.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

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Doktor Avalanche posted:

i don't know about galicia but in the croatian case this sounds highly doubtful


Croatia was organized as a border march, and the same time, for the same reasons

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

mlmp08 posted:

Hard to see from a distant still image but it connects knees and shoulders and helps… somehow?

It helps prolong endurance given the skimming on exoskeleton design I've done.

Dixon Chisholm
Jan 2, 2020

gradenko_2000 posted:

Can you put radar on an arrow and like

Make it a guided arrow

of course



dumbass

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

https://twitter.com/AliAbunimah/status/1607337108909219840

how dare the russians repair damage to infrastructure

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

I thought they were not allowed to be part of the investigation?

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

I'm confused by the above hemming and hawing about the cost and difficulty of producing cavalry mounts and pack animals versus robot exoskeletons because the PLA retains a horsed cavalry division. Macron even gifted them a stud from the French cavalry.

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008


i don't see what this is supposed to mean, the military frontier was organized because of the ottoman invasion. extrapolating from that into what you claimed above (no shared history or cultural traditions) is ludicrous.

Spergin Morlock
Aug 8, 2009
Probation
Can't post for 6 hours!

Slim Jim Pickens posted:

Trucks don't go up mountains

Animals are convenient when there are a lot of them. China has urbanized so quickly that there aren't a lot of donkeys around anymore. The count of donkeys and mules has dropped by 250% and 500% over the last 20 years. Running a husbandry program for military animals has never been economical, whereas exoskeletons are just bits and bobs of metal. It seems that various iterations aren't even powered, but reduce the strain of carrying poo poo up mountains.

https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1206395.shtml

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202101/1212636.shtml

Mentioned in this article is the fact that they are being used by units in Tibet or high-altitude regions. You can drive a truck through Tibet, but if you want something actually on the mountain, something living needs to drag it up there.

they have negative donkeys and mules? lol. they used to have 100 miles but now they have -400

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Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

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Doktor Avalanche posted:

i don't see what this is supposed to mean, the military frontier was organized because of the ottoman invasion. extrapolating from that into what you claimed above (no shared history or cultural traditions) is ludicrous.

What is the difference between a Croatian and a Serbian?

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