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Xaris posted:i do risk assessments and FN curves for various public works and that poo poo is already an absolute pain in the rear end with mostly guess work and placeholders. actually determining True Cost is impossible because putting a monetary dollar sign on future life, biodiversity, quantifying time-lag impacts to current life expectency, health care costs, pollution, crop and industrial failures due to climate, housing stock loss both near-term and super long-term, reduction in future population (but would have to determine a baseline for population without ever discovering oil), and a bazillion other parameters. and then the dollar itself is predicated on cheap-energy looted and exploited into the imperial core and holding the globe hostage hence markets
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Dec 27, 2022 12:45
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Dec 27, 2022 13:19
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When our entire current economy and therefore the value of money only exists because of ignoring the externalities from oil I'm not convinced we can even determine a value from within the system
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Dec 27, 2022 17:07
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We lost our ability to reckon value when we invented money
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Dec 27, 2022 17:43
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mystes posted:When our entire current economy and therefore the value of money only exists because of ignoring the externalities from oil I'm not convinced we can even determine a value from within the system What’s the dollar value associated with the destruction of things we can’t replace? Is it 0 since we can’t replace it? Infinity since we can’t replace it? The current economic value? Do we consider the “time value of money” which demands we consider the economic value of things in the future to always be less than the economic value of something in the present? After all we can make more money by destroying the biosphere now and growing forever later than saving the biosphere now and preventing that growth.
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Dec 27, 2022 17:59
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Dec 27, 2022 18:19
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oil came out of the ground it makes sense to return it to its home after using
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Dec 27, 2022 18:20
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Koirhor posted:oil came out of the ground it makes sense to return it to its home after using there is a startup making biooil and putting it back underground lol
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Dec 27, 2022 18:28
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Trabisnikof posted:there is a startup making biooil and putting it back underground lol just filling up Lord Humungous' fuel depot
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Dec 27, 2022 18:50
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When I was a doing a college summer stint in a local factory, I had a dude brag about how smart he was dumping his turpentine at his cottage. When I asked why he was dumping turpentine into his water supply he was "the ground will filter it". For some dumb reason he thought the paint in the turpentine was the problem, and he got a bit more quiet when it dawned on him that he was dumping just the purest filtered turpentine into his well.
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Dec 27, 2022 20:07
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what is the market value of a soul?
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Dec 27, 2022 21:31
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Crow Buddy posted:When I was a doing a college summer stint in a local factory, I had a dude brag about how smart he was dumping his turpentine at his cottage. When I asked why he was dumping turpentine into his water supply he was "the ground will filter it". modern problems require modern solutions (poisoning yourself with modern characteristics)
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Dec 27, 2022 22:00
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toggle posted:what is the market value of a soul? depends, how much labor can you squeeze out of it before it’s meat-shell gives out?
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Dec 27, 2022 22:01
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Xaris posted:i do risk assessments and FN curves for various public works and that poo poo is already an absolute pain in the rear end with mostly guess work and placeholders. actually determining True Cost is impossible because putting a monetary dollar sign on future life, biodiversity, quantifying time-lag impacts to current life expectency, health care costs, pollution, crop and industrial failures due to climate, housing stock loss both near-term and super long-term, reduction in future population (but would have to determine a baseline for population without ever discovering oil), and a bazillion other parameters. and then the dollar itself is predicated on cheap-energy looted and exploited into the imperial core and holding the globe hostage More proof of the efficiency of markets. We've reduced the cost of a barrel of oil from a million dollars all the way down to $80!
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Dec 27, 2022 22:12
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Xaris posted:i do risk assessments and FN curves for various public works and that poo poo is already an absolute pain in the rear end with mostly guess work and placeholders. actually determining True Cost is impossible because putting a monetary dollar sign on future life, biodiversity, quantifying time-lag impacts to current life expectency, health care costs, pollution, crop and industrial failures due to climate, housing stock loss both near-term and super long-term, reduction in future population (but would have to determine a baseline for population without ever discovering oil), and a bazillion other parameters. and then the dollar itself is predicated on cheap-energy looted and exploited into the imperial core and holding the globe hostage excluding externalities, ol' bucky calculated the true value of a gallon of gasoline to be 1 million dollars in 1981 (Critical Path) for reference, there's around 19-20 gallons' worth of gasoline in a barrel of oil Hubbert has issued a correction as of 22:36 on Dec 27, 2022 |
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Dec 27, 2022 22:32
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Xaris posted:i do risk assessments and FN curves for various public works and that poo poo is already an absolute pain in the rear end with mostly guess work and placeholders. actually determining True Cost is impossible because putting a monetary dollar sign on future life, biodiversity, quantifying time-lag impacts to current life expectency, health care costs, pollution, crop and industrial failures due to climate, housing stock loss both near-term and super long-term, reduction in future population (but would have to determine a baseline for population without ever discovering oil), and a bazillion other parameters. and then the dollar itself is predicated on cheap-energy looted and exploited into the imperial core and holding the globe hostage Not sure it should be that complicated, 94% of economic activity takes place indoors, therefore the outdoors = 6% of GDP. For an individual industry divide that by the % that industry contributes to GDP. Where's my M.Econ and fake Nobel prize? toggle posted:what is the market value of a soul? Highly deprecated. The available soul pool is a constant, so as the population expands individual souls get thinner and the number of soulless bastards increases. Don't invest in modern souls, like everything else they're very poor quality. Seriously, I want my mortal remains composted and spread in the forest. At least I can make a small patch of trees and fungi happy for a while.
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Dec 27, 2022 22:38
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Dec 27, 2022 22:49
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can't spell soil without oil!
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Dec 27, 2022 22:50
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the more times change https://mobile.twitter.com/Scotland1983/status/1363471044833648640 the more they stay the same https://mobile.twitter.com/DKruzman/status/1529835447752474625 dirt roads: the cause of and solution to all of life’s problems
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Dec 27, 2022 23:00
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Tempora Mutantur posted:can't spell soil without oil! can't spell belugas without gas
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Dec 27, 2022 23:18
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“it’s good that the poison is flowing into the waterways actually, because then it will get diluted” -USA agency in charge of protecting environment.
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Dec 27, 2022 23:26
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the solution to pollution is dilution it rhymes so it definitely holds on a global scale
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Dec 27, 2022 23:33
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Trabisnikof posted:What’s the dollar value associated with the destruction of things we can’t replace? Is it 0 since we can’t replace it? Infinity since we can’t replace it? The current economic value?  https://play.half.earth/
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Dec 27, 2022 23:53
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post COVID posted:the solution to pollution is dilution If the water's fine, add turpentine 
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Dec 27, 2022 23:54
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a future where oceans rise while the atmosphere is choked by anti-sunlight particles the remnants of the human race live on floating barges in forever semi-darkness while in the depths strange and monstrous forms of aquatic life bloom
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Dec 28, 2022 00:52
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if waterworld is our future I'm going to be so loving pissed we won't even have the piss recyclers on this timeline!!
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Dec 28, 2022 00:55
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my sibling had a jacket with a li-ion battery pack that she quickly/habitually found a place to plug-in everywhere we went the stillsuits are coming but they're going to start as electric snugees
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Dec 28, 2022 01:17
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Tempora Mutantur posted:if waterworld is our future I'm going to be so loving pissed put me down for the role of the hydroholic
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Dec 28, 2022 01:18
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MightyBigMinus posted:my sibling had a jacket with a li-ion battery pack that she quickly/habitually found a place to plug-in everywhere we went My sibling got one of those and no one understood why I thought it was wasteful. We've had normal jackets that work fine for thousands of years!
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Dec 28, 2022 01:25
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internally i've started making an analogy between ecological changes during the anthropocene and the Great Oxygenation Event 2.4 bya when life figured out water photolysis. no idea how appropriate that is
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Dec 28, 2022 01:37
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post COVID posted:internally i've started making an analogy between ecological changes during the anthropocene and the Great Oxygenation Event 2.4 bya when life figured out water photolysis. what makes you think it’s better reference than the end-permian?
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Dec 28, 2022 01:43
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I told this story a long time ago but my dad used to do this and as a little kid I played in the creek behind our house a lot and noticed oil slicks and dead fish and such a lot and one day I was like "hey dad, maybe you shouldn't do that???" and he looked me right in the eye and kept pouring the oil into the hole in the ground. he's dead now so whatever.
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Dec 28, 2022 01:43
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Unless posted:what makes you think it’s better reference than the end-permian? end-permian is probably better in many ways, but i'm thinking along the lines of biological activity changing the environment.
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Dec 28, 2022 01:51
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the great carbonation event
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Dec 28, 2022 01:53
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Zodium posted:the great carbonation event the greatest danger of our oceans absorbing more and more carbon dioxide is that we won't have the collective self control necessary to not drink the fish soda
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Dec 28, 2022 01:58
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Chummed up fish in a soda steam is actually a delicacy
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Dec 28, 2022 02:05
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Gumball Gumption posted:My sibling got one of those and no one understood why I thought it was wasteful. We've had normal jackets that work fine for thousands of years! pffft, wasteful. you are but a baby brained contrarian cynic. its much more efficient to heat someones clothes than their whole home. so instead of sheltering the homeless we'll give them these. oh and no need for landlords to maintain minimum heat levels anymore either. basically everyone that freezes to death going forward is just a dope that forgot to charge their cell phone, which really when you think about it is on them.
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Dec 28, 2022 02:05
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blatman posted:the greatest danger of our oceans absorbing more and more carbon dioxide is that we won't have the collective self control necessary to not drink the fish soda grab yourself a can of fish soda and you’ll be feeling just fine ain’t nothin’ quite like sittin’ ’round the house swillin’ down them cans of brine
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Dec 28, 2022 03:13
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Stereotype posted:yeah it’s because terrorism is cool. I love terrorism
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silicone thrills posted:I told this story a long time ago but my dad used to do this and as a little kid I played in the creek behind our house a lot and noticed oil slicks and dead fish and such a lot and one day I was like "hey dad, maybe you shouldn't do that???" and he looked me right in the eye and kept pouring the oil into the hole in the ground. There was more lead in his brain than in his gasoline
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