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End of Shoelace: Apr 5, 2016

i think the Ukraine war is good because it is completely understandable to have a mortal aversion to the idea of living in Russia

# ? Dec 28, 2022 13:29

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# ? Jun 8, 2024 05:47

Ardennes: May 12, 2002

Moscow is more or less a first world city at this point.

# ? Dec 28, 2022 13:33

Truga: May 4, 2014; Lipstick Apathy

Ardennes posted:

Moscow is more or less a first world city at this point.

harsh but fair

# ? Dec 28, 2022 13:38

Ardennes: May 12, 2002

Truga posted:

harsh but fair

It is all just capitalism man.

# ? Dec 28, 2022 13:44

Nonsense: Jan 26, 2007

Zelensky reminds the world what it means to be an American, where at least you know you're free.

# ? Dec 28, 2022 13:49

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1606371564827525120?t=sySwMENf-ipF98Q2iS-Lxw&s=19

# ? Dec 28, 2022 13:57

IAMNOTADOCTOR: Sep 26, 2013

Videos and text from Russians claiming shortages of artillery shells.

Any chance of them securing compatible munition from other countries?

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/s...ingawful.com%2F

# ? Dec 28, 2022 14:30

Lostconfused: Oct 1, 2008

It's funny how all nationalists are the same

"Why are there russian troops in Africa when Ukrainians are at our border"

# ? Dec 28, 2022 14:38

Cao Ni Ma: May 25, 2010

Im sure north korean, iranian and chinese shells will get there at any moment just like it happened the first time russia started running out of shells 2 weeks after the war started

# ? Dec 28, 2022 14:41

Lostconfused: Oct 1, 2008

https://twitter.com/hwag_ucmc/status/1608024470639505409

quote:

"One of the assistants to the heads of village councils who evacuated with us, Larysa Kotlyar, spent some time in the Russian Federation, and then decided to visit her daughter who lives in Europe. Literally on the Latvian border she was arrested and deported to Ukraine"

# ? Dec 28, 2022 14:42

Gripweed: Nov 8, 2018; Women are wonderful animals, they should be making music and writing novels about having a complex relationship with your mother.

Cpt_Obvious posted:

The Chinese are investing a lot of money into infantry research, especially those dope exoskeletons.

exoskeletons are a dead end for combat infantry. They necessarily have a more limited range of motion than the human body, so you basically need to spend a long time teaching the soldiers the way they are allowed to move. Which is fine on the parade ground, but when you're clambering over rubble and poo poo, not being able to move your hips like a human can is a pretty big problem.
And there is necessarily always a delay between the soldier moving and the exoskeleton reacting to that movement and enhancing it. Once again, fine on the parade ground if you just want to show off a soldier lifting something really heavy or whatever. But in combat, when someone pops out of nowhere to take a shot at you and you try to run to cover but there's a slight delay between you trying to run and your legs actually running, and oh yeah in the heat of the moment you forgot the approved running motion and twisted your leg too much, it's not a good situation.

# ? Dec 28, 2022 14:44

OctaMurk: Jun 21, 2013

Gripweed posted:

exoskeletons are a dead end for combat infantry. They necessarily have a more limited range of motion than the human body, so you basically need to spend a long time teaching the soldiers the way they are allowed to move. Which is fine on the parade ground, but when you're clambering over rubble and poo poo, not being able to move your hips like a human can is a pretty big problem.
And there is necessarily always a delay between the soldier moving and the exoskeleton reacting to that movement and enhancing it. Once again, fine on the parade ground if you just want to show off a soldier lifting something really heavy or whatever. But in combat, when someone pops out of nowhere to take a shot at you and you try to run to cover but there's a slight delay between you trying to run and your legs actually running, and oh yeah in the heat of the moment you forgot the approved running motion and twisted your leg too much, it's not a good situation.

ya i hear you . . . but real life armored core would be pretty cool would it not ??

# ? Dec 28, 2022 14:48

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

Ukraine prepares to give free rein to property developers

Ukraine prepares to give free rein to property developers

Critics fear a new planning law will hand power to property developers and put Ukraine�s historic buildings at risk

28 December 2022, 12.00am

quote:

At first, Dmytro Perov didn�t believe his grandmother�s stories about ancient caves beneath the courtyard of the 19th-century building where his family had once lived in Kyiv.

�I thought someone had just made it up,� the lawyer and activist told openDemocracy.

But plans to build a new residential complex on the site spurred him to investigate his grandmother�s story.

He had good reason to worry. Ukrainian officials� �fast-track� approach to developers� plans � which is not without a whiff of corruption � has continued since Russia invaded the country. Indeed, activists say that the demolition of Kyiv�s historic sites has sped up during the war.

On 13 December, the Ukrainian parliament rushed through radical amendments to planning laws. The vast majority of property developers supported them, but journalists, architects and other public figures have sounded the alarm.

These new regulations, which were drawn up before the war, will hand unprecedented powers to Ukraine�s construction industry, critics say.

In November, Perov � who works for a group dedicated to the city�s heritage and often opposes the demolition of old buildings in court � and a group of friends found a complex of four caves at the abandoned and mostly ruined house where his grandmother had lived. It stands on the city�s central Voznesenskyi Uzviz, a street which connects two historic districts, Podil and Verkhne Misto.

Archaeologists have provisionally dated the caves to the era of Kyivan Rus � a state that existed from the ninth to the mid-13th centuries � or even to Ukraine�s pre-Christian period.

The caves� discovery and subsequent public pressure has forced Kyiv city council to postpone its decision to lease the land to private developers.

�Perhaps this was a sign from God,� said Perov. �We found the caves just when the developer was about to get permission to build.�

This rare, perhaps temporary, victory in the stand-off between activists and property developers over Kyiv�s historic sites stands in stark contrast to the norm in recent years.

Over the past decade, housing construction in Ukraine�s big cities has become one of the most profitable sectors in the country�s economy.

As a result, property developers have gained influence with city authorities and the Ukrainian parliament, finding themselves able to lobby successfully for land allocation to maintain their intensive building programmes.

In response, activist groups across Ukraine, but particularly in the capital, have fought back to protect 19th-century and Soviet-era buildings under threat of demolition. Green spaces, parks and even public access to Kyiv�s beaches on the Dnipro River are also under threat.

Public concern over the unchecked power of Ukrainian construction firms during wartime has even translated into popular humour. According to one joke: �No one in Ukraine believes in the armed forces as much as property developers.�

The threat to Perov�s grandmother�s home � now a historic site � is a typical story of the many loopholes used by property owners to start building without a full package of permits under current planning laws, activists say.

Communist authorities evicted Perov�s family some 40 years ago, in 1979, from their apartment in the three-storey building on Voznesenskyi Uzviz, because the land had been earmarked for new construction, but the work never took place. In the following years, the 1898 building fell into ruin. Today, only its facade remains.

In 2019, a Kyiv property company, Capital Real Estate, asked the city authorities to lease the land on which the remains of the building stand for the construction of a new multi-storey residential complex.

The company noted that it owned the ruined building. But Kyiv�s official property register has no information about the property on Voznesenskyi Uzviz � a ruin by the time the Ukrainian authorities took over land records from the Soviet Union. And the Kyiv city administration�s municipal property department said that it had never issued a certificate of ownership for this address.

On this basis, Perov claims that the company received ownership documents unlawfully. The issue is currently under investigation by local police.

Capital Real Estate did not respond to openDemocracy�s request for comment. However, according to Perov, Capital Real Estate claims that the property was registered in 2017 and so the criminal case is illegal because the three-year time limit for filing a lawsuit has expired

Today, Ukrainian citizens can challenge potentially illegal construction through the courts. Activists also used to protest at construction sites, but that is forbidden under martial law at present.

But in six months� time, Ukrainians could lose their right to take legal action too, when the new law on urban planning reform comes into force.

This law significantly restricts the routes for granting protected status to a historic building or returning a property to municipal ownership. Under the new legislation, such actions will be interpreted as an infringement of the owner�s rights.

Perov fears that all current court cases on property conflicts will be annulled, as developers will use the new law to appeal for cases to be thrown out.

He is also concerned about the long-term impact of this law. He told openDemocracy that out of 3,000 historic buildings in the Ukrainian capital, only a third have protected status.

�This means that 2,000 historic buildings, most of which are privately owned, are under threat of destruction. [Under the new law] anyone will be able to buy a little old house, demolish it and build a skyscraper,� he said.

Perov noted that it�s likely that more historic buildings were demolished in Kyiv this year than in 2021.

�Before the war, historic buildings were destroyed to make way for specific developments. Now it is done as a proactive step,� he explained. �It will be much easier to work with plots of land rather than buildings after the war. [Land] is a more liquid asset.�

Ukrainian activists keen to protect historic buildings are not the only ones who appear to have fallen out with the country�s property developers, keen to restore revenues that have fallen dramatically as a result of the economic collapse brought about by the invasion.

In November, the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) searched the premises of Ukraine�s National Union of Architects, as well as the companies and homes of the union�s management. The SBU said the search was part of an investigation into alleged interference with a national digital planning system and that the union had allegedly issued professional certifications to unqualified persons.

One of the directors of the architects� union, Anna Kyrii, believes that the law enforcement attention amounts to Ukrainian politicians� �revenge� against architects over their criticism of the new urban planning reform.

Kyrii said the new law passed on 13 December has been adopted in an attempt to �redistribute the levers of influence� in Ukraine�s construction and planning industry.

Under current regulations, if the architect responsible for a property development disagrees with a developer over significant changes � such as using cheaper materials or efforts to bypass building codes � then they can report the dispute to a state inspectorate, which can conduct an investigation.

The new law will change the procedure for solving such disputes: if an architect refuses to make the changes a developer wants, under the new law the developer would be able to apply to a new urban planning chamber attached to Ukraine�s newly created Ministry of Communities, Territories and Infrastructure Development.

If the developer does not receive consent or refusal within 30 days, they receive approval for their changes by default.

�In fact, there is nothing about urban planning in this bill,� Kyrii said.

Indeed, opponents of the law argue that it simply strengthens the role of the Ministry of Communities, Territories and Infrastructure Development. The ministry will have the sole authority to issue tenders for construction and set conditions for those tenders, decide who will have access to the market, certify architects and resolve disputes.

What is more, under the new law private inspectors will replace state planning officials in issuing planning permits and certifying that a building is ready for use. It is feared that this could lead to developers registering their own permit companies � for example, via friends or family members.

�The worst thing in this situation is that the state is removing any form of responsibility over property development,� Kyrii contends. �Private developers, private building evaluations and private oversight � without a single form of oversight on developers from the state.�

Most in the construction industry support the new law. Serhiy Pylypenko, CEO of the largest producer of concrete in the Kyiv region, the Kovalska Group, believes that the new law will complete a long-awaited reform of how state agencies monitor and regulate urban planning and construction � and eliminate corruption in the sector.

He points out that the new provisions will devolve decision-making on construction issues to lower levels of government, while introducing criminal liability for unlawful construction or violating conditions of land use.

�[The law] will make it possible to speed up all the processes that artificially hindered the development of the construction industry and had a negative impact on the economy,� Pylypenko said. He described criticism of the law from Ukrainian architects and public organisations as �far-fetched� and �unfair�.

Like other potentially controversial laws passed during wartime, Ukraine�s new law on urban planning was developed before the Russian invasion � and then rushed through Parliament with apparently little oversight.

Property developers contributed to its writing through their lobbying organisation, the Confederation of Builders of Ukraine, organising meetings with individual parliamentarians and attending special meetings at Parliament.

Before the war, the legislation had significant support in the Ukrainian parliament, but recently the numbers of MPs ready to support it had dwindled to only 228 (the law requires 226 votes � half of the chamber � to pass).

Originally a bill with 300 pages of amendments to four different existing laws, and a comparative table of changes running to 2,000 pages, the final draft was not published on the Ukrainian parliament�s website before the final vote on 13 December � nor after the vote. Standard procedures, such as preliminary discussion or amendments from the chamber floor, were also not observed. As of 28 December, the law has still not been published.

openDemocracy attempted to contact the bill�s main author, MP Olena Shulyak, to understand why the law had to be passed so quickly, but did not receive a response.

Writing online, Shulyak, who heads the ruling Servant of the People party, claims that the law will digitalise and simplify the construction procedures for Ukraine�s post-war reconstruction.

�We don�t have the moral right to leave urban planning in the state it has been in. Particularly ahead of [post-war] reconstruction, using state funds and the funds of international partners,� Shulyak wrote.

But Anna Kyrii, from the architects� union, is convinced that the planning law was rushed through Parliament and passed on 13 December because the ruling party could still rely on votes from MPs from pro-Russian parties that were banned earlier this year on that date. The voting records show that the law could not have been passed without votes from these MPs.

The following day, MPs from the ruling party started collecting signatures in support of removing mandates from MPs belonging to pro-Russian parties � a move that the Ukrainian public has called for since the February invasion.

Meanwhile, some of Shulyak�s party colleagues who journalists have previously linked to property developer interests changed their position on the eve of the vote, publicly calling on MPs to oppose the bill.

Anna Bondar, a former building official who is also an MP from Ukraine�s ruling party, withdrew her signature from the draft law. She claimed it would lead to private companies being in control of issuing most building permits, and that local government would have its planning powers reduced.

The legislation has now been passed to President Volodymyr Zelenskyi to sign into law � or veto, as more than 42,000 people have asked via an online petition.

But Ukraine�s minister of communities, territories and infrastructure development, Oleksandr Kubrakov, supports the law, and is believed to have a good relationship with Zelenskyi: media reports tip him as a possible candidate as a future prime minister.

Ukrainian society has long been indignant at how property developers act, particularly when they break laws, build in cities� green areas and cause disruption to city life. All these were frequent sources of public contention before the Russian invasion.

MP Dmytro Hurin, another dissenter from the Servant of the People party who journalists have previously linked to property developer interests, argued that the new law has little to do with post-war reconstruction.

�This is definitely not how victors should rebuild,� he said.

# ? Dec 28, 2022 14:58

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

I just really want to emphasize this part:

quote:

What is more, under the new law private inspectors will replace state planning officials in issuing planning permits and certifying that a building is ready for use. It is feared that this could lead to developers registering their own permit companies � for example, via friends or family members.

it's groverhaus! it's loving groverhaus!!!

# ? Dec 28, 2022 15:03

mlmp08: Jul 11, 2004; Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration; Nap Ghost

Groverhaus meets Snowrunner, a construction adventure game.

# ? Dec 28, 2022 15:06

Lostconfused: Oct 1, 2008

gradenko_2000 posted:

Ukraine prepares to give free rein to property developers

Ukraine prepares to give free rein to property developers

Critics fear a new planning law will hand power to property developers and put Ukraine�s historic buildings at risk

28 December 2022, 12.00am

https://twitter.com/NatalieSmal/status/1607297975453097984

https://twitter.com/NatalieSmal/status/1607297984277913614

# ? Dec 28, 2022 15:08

Lostconfused: Oct 1, 2008

gradenko_2000 posted:

Ukraine prepares to give free rein to property developers

Ukraine prepares to give free rein to property developers

Critics fear a new planning law will hand power to property developers and put Ukraine�s historic buildings at risk

28 December 2022, 12.00am

The part that the article leaves out is that the property developers are the government. Although it is implied since SBU is pretty much a private army for the president like the DHS in USA.

https://censor.net/ua/resonance/3389520/yak_tatarov_povertaye_aktyvy_mykytasya_i_pidigraye_opezejeshnyku_isayenku

quote:

The land for this development was allocated by the Ministry of Defense under the same scheme that became the reason for the NABU criminal case on apartments for the National Guard, where Maksym Mykytas and Deputy Head of the President's Office Oleg Tatarov appear.

# ? Dec 28, 2022 15:24

Lord of Pie: Mar 2, 2007

Rent-A-Cop posted:

Flushing your country down the shitter so you don't have to tolerate Polish plumbers will be hilarious until the day Britain sinks into the sea.

a small price to pay to keep the foreigners from making off with all the fatbergs

# ? Dec 28, 2022 15:26

Frosted Flake: Sep 13, 2011; Semper Shitpost Ubique

https://twitter.com/euromaidanpress/status/1607904791425912832

More roving guns. Caesar battery should be 6 but this poor lil guy is on his lonesome.

# ? Dec 28, 2022 15:26

Vomik: Jul 29, 2003; This post is dedicated to the brave Mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan

Atrocious Joe posted:

https://twitter.com/MazMHussain/status/1598558834263572480?s=20&t=8Opu4KU8lSKGqNYR8pAGiA

thouggg this was a getfiscal tweet at first

# ? Dec 28, 2022 15:27

Nonsense: Jan 26, 2007

Frosted Flake posted:

https://twitter.com/euromaidanpress/status/1607904791425912832

More roving guns. Caesar battery should be 6 but this poor lil guy is on his lonesome.

Time to make Russia howl!

# ? Dec 28, 2022 15:27

euphronius: Feb 18, 2009

what is Ukrainian for �the Chicago boys�

# ? Dec 28, 2022 15:34

mlmp08: Jul 11, 2004; Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration; Nap Ghost

Leavitt and Augusta

# ? Dec 28, 2022 15:36

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

gradenko_2000 posted:

Ukraine prepares to give free rein to property developers

Ukraine prepares to give free rein to property developers

Critics fear a new planning law will hand power to property developers and put Ukraine�s historic buildings at risk

28 December 2022, 12.00am

lol another w for the Chicago boys

# ? Dec 28, 2022 15:42

Cerebral Bore: Apr 21, 2010; Fun Shoe

Frosted Flake posted:

More roving guns. Caesar battery should be 6 but this poor lil guy is on his lonesome.

um obviously ukrainian gunners are so good that they can do the work of six guns with just one you dumb tankie

# ? Dec 28, 2022 16:10

Lostconfused: Oct 1, 2008

https://twitter.com/FedorovMykhailo/status/1607823876251164673
https://twitter.com/FedorovMykhailo/status/1605900571428487169
https://twitter.com/DailySabah/status/1608074157245218817

# ? Dec 28, 2022 16:12

Futanari Damacy: Oct 30, 2021; by sebmojo

Doktor Avalanche posted:

i can dig most of that, but it's understandably less than palatable (at least to those not terminally cspam-brained) to see your nation referred to as some kind of dr moreau experiment lmao

Nationalism is poison to the human brain hth

# ? Dec 28, 2022 16:15

Futanari Damacy: Oct 30, 2021; by sebmojo

You can think you're better than people. You can think you're different than people. But to think you're better than people because you're different? gently caress off

# ? Dec 28, 2022 16:15

Vomik: Jul 29, 2003; This post is dedicated to the brave Mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan

Lostconfused posted:

https://twitter.com/FedorovMykhailo/status/1607823876251164673
https://twitter.com/FedorovMykhailo/status/1605900571428487169
https://twitter.com/DailySabah/status/1608074157245218817

lol. Ted talk energy

# ? Dec 28, 2022 16:16

Cerebral Bore: Apr 21, 2010; Fun Shoe

1st buttcoin brigade reporting for duty

# ? Dec 28, 2022 16:17

Futanari Damacy: Oct 30, 2021; by sebmojo

Once you hit 100 hours of Bitcoin training you are qualified. Do not even think of doing Bitcoin with only 99 hours under your belt

# ? Dec 28, 2022 16:19

Frosted Flake: Sep 13, 2011; Semper Shitpost Ubique

Maybe it's because it happened later in history, but English Canadian identity formation was pretty much the same thing, down to state intervention in religion and dialect to differentiate from Americans, some 19th century race science stuff, it's just held less purchase today.

The British efforts to create/reshape (if you're charitable) a Scottish Highlander identity which they then used to create a militarized population in the border regions of the Empire was way more successful, but because it was a maritime empire it happened in India and North America instead of right next door.

# ? Dec 28, 2022 16:19

Futanari Damacy: Oct 30, 2021; by sebmojo

Much as the entire country of Nigeria was maligned through 419 scams, Ukraine will similarly become a byword for fraud and exploitation

# ? Dec 28, 2022 16:20

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

Yeah sure the M777 is cool, but what about the M777...

... on the BLOCKCHAIN

# ? Dec 28, 2022 16:26

OctaMurk: Jun 21, 2013

bonds for victory? no, bitcoins for victory

# ? Dec 28, 2022 17:04

Agnostalgia: Dec 22, 2009

Sam Bankman-Fried shipped to ukraine to command the world's first Dogecoin Penal Brigade.

# ? Dec 28, 2022 17:20

Vomik: Jul 29, 2003; This post is dedicated to the brave Mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan

I don�t know if there has been a change in how they brainwash neoliberalism but Ukraine has embraced it fully second only to America. the obsession with �innovation capital� is a modern dem joint.

could also be because big tech has been using Ukraine as it�s cheaper than India plus white pool for some time I guess

# ? Dec 28, 2022 17:50

Frosted Flake: Sep 13, 2011; Semper Shitpost Ubique

Vomik posted:

I don�t know if there has been a change in how they brainwash neoliberalism but Ukraine has embraced it fully second only to America. the obsession with �innovation capital� is a modern dem joint.

could also be because big tech has been using Ukraine as it�s cheaper than India plus white pool for some time I guess

They need to be producing rifles and ammunition, so this tech poo poo is absolutely insane. Adam Tooze wrote a book about how Nazi Germany was making industry intensive consumer goods like electric kettles and automobiles well past the point they should have been making helmets and trucks, but these guys are making apps.

# ? Dec 28, 2022 18:06

mlmp08: Jul 11, 2004; Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration; Nap Ghost

Unsurprising NDAA news: A chunk of money dedicated to US industrial base resiliency, emergency reserve supplies/parts, and the Navy is told it will not retire the cruiser it wanted to retire.

Also money for EUCOM and European allies.

# ? Dec 28, 2022 18:12

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Lostconfused: Oct 1, 2008

With a potential expiry date on the horizon all the more reason to loot the country with even greater enthusiasm.

# ? Dec 28, 2022 18:16

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