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a lot of western movies have the fight scene just be two or more guys trading blows for a while and then its over. no storytelling, no stakes. sex scenes musical scenes same thing. stop the story dead in its tracks. A lot of the time it's because the fight is the 'objective' of the character, it's part of their plan or what they set out to do, so we kinda have to watch it but in that way it's just masterbatory. it's simply exactly as we imagined it before we saw it. jackie movies often have the fights be the stakes of another conflict. ok I'm stuck outdoors and naked and I don't want to show my dick+balls, oh no now I also have to fight, which makes it harder to stay decent. or I have to fight these guys while not letting the baby I'm holding come to danger before I return it to its mother or w/e. the character doesn't want to fight, the fight comes as a complication to their actual objectives. edit: also the fights should be a huge setback just to participate in, like oldboy or eastern promises, a good story does not mean the characters face choices (should I fight or stay home). They have to be dilemmas (I don't want to fight back, it will set me back in my actual goal, but if I don't, I will die or someone will die - both outcomes are bad) Antonymous has issued a correction as of 21:10 on Dec 28, 2022 |
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Uncle Wemus posted:What does a good movie fight scene even look like because marvel fights are real loving boring first recent one that came to mind https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z83IyEgxPrk
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Dec 28, 2022 21:09
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Uncle Wemus posted:What does a good movie fight scene even look like because marvel fights are real loving boring https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ts8rVL5gkZM
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Dec 28, 2022 21:17
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here’s a good one but there are so many. https://youtu.be/iwRpSq7GUiA
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sudden death is pretty underrated imo. it's not great but there's a lot of inventive action scenes and JCVD playing a fire marshal, which in the world of the movie is bizarrely seen as some sort of low-status job, is pretty funny. e: plus powers boothe means youre always in for a good round of scenery-chewing
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Dec 28, 2022 21:34
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Antonymous posted:mosfilm owns.
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more michelle yeoh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzkhVVFRIIg
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Laterite posted:sudden death is pretty underrated imo. it's not great but there's a lot of inventive action scenes and JCVD playing a fire marshal, which in the world of the movie is bizarrely seen as some sort of low-status job, is pretty funny. i actually just rewatched it last night. it fuckin whips rear end. probably my favorite Van Damme movie (also the ninth one i've watched in the last three weeks)
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Uncle Wemus posted:What does a good movie fight scene even look like because marvel fights are real loving boring anything in a history of violence or eastern promises
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It must have been too long since I watched one of the John Wicks because I tried to remember a particular standout fight scene and the only one that immediately came to mind was this one where he fights an extremely tall man using a library book https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aJD7pQxyPI&t=77s
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mt5EVWV0kJ8
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You could put on any scene in this movie.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBCeFJ66oRM
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words cannot express how disappointed I am to find upon rewatch that the scene from Riddick where Vin Diesel kills a guy with a teacup was actually not a very good fight scene 
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loquacius posted:It must have been too long since I watched one of the John Wicks because I tried to remember a particular standout fight scene and the only one that immediately came to mind was this one where he fights an extremely tall man using a library book the best Wick fight scene is the club one in #1 but murdering a Slavic giant with a book is probably the second best one.
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uber_stoat posted:the best Wick fight scene is the club one in #1 but murdering a Slavic giant with a book is probably the second best one. yeah, the club fight scene is a more archetypal John Wick fight, in that it's John Wick fighting a zillion dudes, mostly but not exclusively with guns, through a chaotic and intricate set, rather than a one-on-one duel, and the song from the chill club is a banger (not the techno club) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIhwc6uX_uM&t=72s
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Uncle Wemus posted:What does a good movie fight scene even look like because marvel fights are real loving boring Team Fortress 2 sfm shorts on youtube.
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Antonymous posted:a lot of western movies have the fight scene just be two or more guys trading blows for a while and then its over. no storytelling, no stakes. sex scenes musical scenes same thing. stop the story dead in its tracks. A lot of the time it's because the fight is the 'objective' of the character, it's part of their plan or what they set out to do, so we kinda have to watch it but in that way it's just masterbatory. it's simply exactly as we imagined it before we saw it. This is a good post btw
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loquacius posted:words cannot express how disappointed I am to find upon rewatch that the scene from Riddick where Vin Diesel kills a guy with a teacup was actually not a very good fight scene huh i just found out that they made a third Riddick? when the gently caress did that happen and how did i never hear of this at all?? i loved pitch black, it's one of my favorite scifi movies of all time
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I heard it was Riddickulous
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also I like the fighting in Scott Pilgrim, that's how u do comic book action
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Uncle Wemus posted:What does a good movie fight scene even look like because marvel fights are real loving boring Have you ever seen martial arts movies or even 80s shoot em ups
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Where can I watch The Irony of Fate in English? I checked that Mosfilm channel and at first glance it seems like the subtitles aren't synced very well
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loquacius posted:yeah, the club fight scene is a more archetypal John Wick fight, in that it's John Wick fighting a zillion dudes, mostly but not exclusively with guns, through a chaotic and intricate set, rather than a one-on-one duel, and the song from the chill club is a banger (not the techno club) yeah the flow of action in a gunfight is different but that's a pretty good example since you're still getting the in-fight problem solving and revelation of character beats classic John Woo is also pretty good for these (you can take your pick of basically any gunfight in The Killer and Hard Boiled) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H07q_tU-ZHc
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the problem with John Wick movies is they are too good (also imo they're increasingly Doom Eternalizing with each sequel. i hope they curtail some of the eternalizing in JW4. also it's simultaneously cool-over-the-top cheesy that every single person ever to exist in the world, from every single bum ever to grocer shoppers, is "in on it",, it's also a little too ridiculous that like normal people don't exist. Xaris has issued a correction as of 00:29 on Dec 29, 2022 |
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The John Wick movies canonically take place in the same universe as the payday games. they should be even more ridiculous tbh
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Xaris posted:huh i just found out that they made a third Riddick? when the gently caress did that happen and how did i never hear of this at all?? i loved pitch black, it's one of my favorite scifi movies of all time I never saw it but there was some controversy surrounding it because Riddick bones a lesbian so well that she turns hetero
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Filthy Hans posted:I never saw it but there was some controversy surrounding it because Riddick bones a lesbian so well that she turns hetero ah, the goldfingering trick
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Xaris posted:the problem with John Wick movies is they are too good the plotting is indeed increasingly dire. also all the villains after wimpy ol theon and his papa have sucked but yeah still fun watches on the whole
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Xaris posted:ah, the goldfingering trick a famously non-problematic film otherwise I love Goldfinger so much lol actually I think the fight vs. Oddjob in Fort Knox holds up fairly well for an action sequence from the 60's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yfl3DKbQ73E
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Antonymous posted:a lot of western movies have the fight scene just be two or more guys trading blows for a while and then its over. no storytelling, no stakes. sex scenes musical scenes same thing. stop the story dead in its tracks. A lot of the time it's because the fight is the 'objective' of the character, it's part of their plan or what they set out to do, so we kinda have to watch it but in that way it's just masterbatory. it's simply exactly as we imagined it before we saw it. Good snipe, this sums up a lot Like even friggin shonen anime, Gratituous Fight Scenes: The Genre tends to do better with actual emotional stakes and storytelling or at least some good gags and back and forth. (because it's basically superpowered cartoon pro wrestling) Ironically I think it's because western directors have all gotten the idea that fight scenes are just something you have to have and get them out of the way so you can have more fart jokes or handsome movie stars mugging for the camera or whatever. Like critics complaining about Godzilla movies 'You can't just have giant monsters come out and fight each other!'
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Good snipe, this sums up a lot With shonen I think the fights are usually a proxy for the emotional or ideological conflict between the characters. So yeah there's action bits and comedy gags but when, say, Luffy lands that final punch on Lucci or Kaido or whoever it's not just because he's a better fighter but because by the end of the fight he's overcome their worldview and soundly rejected it. I think Civil War is maybe the only Marvel movie that comes close having a fight serve the storytelling in a similar way and only at the very end with Captain America vs Iron Man. It's not especially deep stuff, but it's there I think. E: Actually Civil War is a great example of the other end of the spectrum too because the big fight scene of the movie at the airport you could probably just reduce down to "and fight happens" in the script and nothing would change. christmas boots has issued a correction as of 06:33 on Dec 29, 2022 |
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A funny skit about people playing a star wars rpg before and after The Mandalorian comes out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdtjJZBly30
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the director of The Raid has a good list of inspirations: https://vimeo.com/92463056
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Breakfast All Day posted:george lucas invented special effects because fat actors were too rare and expensive in 1977. this was a metatextual theme of the "lightsaber" -- light here being both the mechanism of special effects (viz. industrial light and magic) and that he could use light actors, cutting out (hence "saber") fat stars stranglehold on fantasy filmmaking, and thus winning the "star wars"
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mazzi Chart Czar posted:A funny skit about people playing a star wars rpg before and after The Mandalorian comes out "how did you guys know the campaign would start in a cantina???"
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