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why would wotc want to take over the commander groups
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Dec 28, 2022 19:50
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The only time i think about sheldon is when someone mentions him by name, and i suspect thats true of most people who arent posting in a thread where he gets mentioned every five minutes
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Dec 28, 2022 19:54
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Framboise posted:I'm not so sure. While folks like you and me have a general dislike of Sheldon (well, "fire him into the sun" levels of disdain in your case), I feel like he's got quite a following among the casual crowd, and I feel like that same crowd would make quite a noise if WotC tried to gently caress with "the spirit of the format". Apparently, Nope. https://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/698478689008189440/a-mistake-folks-in-the-hyper-enfranchised I dunno how accurate this is, but it would certainly make all their marketing and strategic decisions make 110% sense if this is the case.
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Dec 28, 2022 20:13
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Major Operation posted:I initially thought that one of those two would be Kenrith's Transformation because I imagined it had flash for some reason. Seemed like it would fit the power level for Green cards they were putting out that summer. the risk seems super small? the RC isn't actually particularly independent (either philosophically or in practical terms), and Wizards has a pretty long history of taking advantage of voluntary labor to substitute for capital/compensation on their end - it mostly just serves as PR and obfuscation of responsibility to have the format be "community run" this might be different if the RC was active, but it's been highly conservative in terms of bannings/rules changes and afaik hasn't created any particular headaches for WotC in terms of selling Commander oriented products - this could theoretically change at some point, but WotC would almost certainly have advanced notice/direct ability to influence the RC's decision-making process and if some bizarre confluence of events led to a serious split it would be super easy for WotC to quickly sideline them by just paying to SEO everything to their version of commander and putting a bunch of marketing material in the physical packs telling you that rules for commander can be found at such and such an address
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Dec 28, 2022 20:46
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Got in my Junji Ito / Post Malone Secret Lairs in. Magic is a weird game, I got doubles by accident, they sent two packages and both had their own copy of each but I only bought 1 of each. I think with almost everything else I've ordered in life I'd be stoked to get a free double, but in this case I still think they are 2 copies of each card short for what I paid, and then they hit me with Slivers for both of Junji Ito packs.
Khanstant fucked around with this message at 07:52 on Dec 29, 2022 |
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Dec 28, 2022 21:18
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Khanstant posted:Got in my Junto Ito / Post Malone Secret Lairs in. Magic is a weird game, I got doubles by accident, they sent two packages and both had their own copy of each but I only bought 1 of each. I think with almost everything else I've ordered in life I'd be stoked to get a free double, but in this case I still think they are 2 copies of each card short for what I paid, and then they hit me with Slivers for both of Junto Ito packs. Both the Shinkawa and Ito secret lairs had Japanese and English versions, so if you bought the bundle you got both versions. The full art slivers have been the "secret card" in recent lairs. (I got the blueprint Tangle Wire with the poor voodoo doll being eviscerated.)
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Dec 28, 2022 21:23
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Has anyone gotten a beveled mat cut especially to display Magic cards? Looking for suggestions and/or tips. My summer spent working in a frame shop is more than 20 years old now.
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Dec 28, 2022 21:24
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I brought my Drake posted:Both the Shinkawa and Ito secret lairs had Japanese and English versions, so if you bought the bundle you got both versions. The full art slivers have been the "secret card" in recent lairs. (I got the blueprint Tangle Wire with the poor voodoo doll being eviscerated.) Wait, there's a fuckin' blueprint Tangle Wire?! Fucks sake. I HATE the fact that secret lairs have secret cards in them, because, they've exclusively been the cards that I would have bought the set for, had I known it was in it. It's so annoying. Like, why are you tricking me into not giving you money you dolts?
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Dec 28, 2022 21:41
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!Klams posted:Wait, there's a fuckin' blueprint Tangle Wire?! Fucks sake. I HATE the fact that secret lairs have secret cards in them, because, they've exclusively been the cards that I would have bought the set for, had I known it was in it. It's so annoying. Like, why are you tricking me into not giving you money you dolts? The blueprint cards are a low-odds random hit too, for what it's worth. I've bought probably 10-15 lairs ever since they've started and I've only got one or two so far (I got the Hedron Archive one fairly recently from the Junji Ito lair, and Panharmonicon from Kamigawa: The Manga). Even the slivers you get are chosen from a small pool! So you really can't predict what you get.
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Dec 28, 2022 22:07
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Or you can hit the lottery and get a Shadowborn Apostle or Petitioner and sell it to pay for your next few months of purchases.
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Dec 28, 2022 22:32
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Khanstant posted:Got in my Junto Ito / Post Malone Secret Lairs in. Magic is a weird game, I got doubles by accident, they sent two packages and both had their own copy of each but I only bought 1 of each. I think with almost everything else I've ordered in life I'd be stoked to get a free double, but in this case I still think they are 2 copies of each card short for what I paid, and then they hit me with Slivers for both of Junto Ito packs. They felt bad you accidentally bought Post Malone Lairs so they sent doubles
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Dec 28, 2022 23:03
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LGD posted:the risk seems super small? the RC isn't actually particularly independent (either philosophically or in practical terms), and Wizards has a pretty long history of taking advantage of voluntary labor to substitute for capital/compensation on their end - it mostly just serves as PR and obfuscation of responsibility to have the format be "community run" This reasoning makes sense historically. However, we've just had (supposedly) multiple RC members object to the printing of the face card for the next mainline set, and Sheldon Menery alluded to banning the card in an article on Star City Games. The RC may be too cowardly to follow through, but it seems irresponsible to bet on that when a little bit of bravery from non-employees could cause your revenue to come in short. Although they could fund an SEO blitz if they decided to take ownership of the format, I don't think that would be sufficient to hold the line. That's why my guess was they might be afraid of the content creators for Commander on YouTube. The outrage farming algorithms of YouTube/Instagram/TikTok/etc would blow that SEO spend away if a bunch of videos came out with titles like "Wizards BETRAY Commander Community" or whatever. I think 30th Edition was doomed by all of the videos denouncing the product loudly, making the product radioactive in a few short days, despite whatever Wizards tried to do with marketing themselves.
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Dec 28, 2022 23:11
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I mean not one video could have been made about 30th Edition and that wouldnt change the fact people would scoff at 250$ packs
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Dec 28, 2022 23:14
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I was watching an interview with Sheldon a few months ago on the Prof’s channel. I recall Sheldon saying that the RC actually get to see the cards and have a say in them before they ever go to print.
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Dec 28, 2022 23:19
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Otto Octopus posted:I was watching an interview with Sheldon a few months ago on the Prof’s channel. I recall Sheldon saying that the RC actually get to see the cards and have a say in them before they ever go to print. That is part of the argument for WotC taking control of Commander, I'd say, as part of the reason why Sheldon's being talked about right now is because he's all in a huff about the new Elesh Norn being printed despite him saying it shouldn't be (and is frankly the epitome of "old man yells at cloud" right now since it's not that big of a deal). It's just a level of power he really shouldn't have. He can ban cards in his format all he likes, but it is pretty messed up to let him have a say in what gets printed in standard.
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Dec 28, 2022 23:27
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He huffed and puffed and the card he complained about is still seeing print so what’s the big deal?
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Dec 28, 2022 23:48
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Charity Porno posted:They felt bad you accidentally bought Post Malone Lairs so they sent doubles I bought em cause I wanted the almost all the singles in it anyway and it was cheaper at the time, but now that I've got doubles maybe I can start building my way towards celebrity tribal commander deck. who's next? Junji Ito I wanted just because I like Junto Ito but now that I have them I don't actually know what to do with them lol. I don't even have a card binder yet, I have a box where I stick my rare cards once I scan them into delver. Khanstant fucked around with this message at 07:44 on Dec 29, 2022 |
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Dec 28, 2022 23:55
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Khanstant posted:Junto Ito I wanted just because I like Junto Ito but now that I have them I don't actually know what to do with them lol. You put them in a deck, generally. Thoughtseize and Doomsday are really great cards, and Carrion Feeder is a good sac outlet.
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Dec 29, 2022 00:04
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Khanstant posted:Got in my Junto Ito / Post Malone Secret Lairs in. Khanstant posted:they hit me with Slivers for both of Junto Ito packs. Khanstant posted:Junto Ito I wanted just because I like Junto Ito 
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Dec 29, 2022 00:09
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I don't think a single actual player is gonna care about new Elesh Norn in Commander, though a large percentage of them are losing their poo poo at Drannith magistrate so who knows
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Dec 29, 2022 00:13
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Magistrate is cool and good because it makes Prosper players cry
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Dec 29, 2022 00:54
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why are you calling him "junto" ito
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Dec 29, 2022 01:37
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Silhouette posted:Magistrate is cool and good because it makes Prosper players cry Drannith Magistrate should not be making any player in red or black cry, of all colors lol If you know your deck is soft to Magistrate you pack more removal just for him. I have a ton of burn spells in my Magda deck specifically for that reason, since the entire deck revolves around being able to combo off with her. And even then, Magistrate is a far stronger card than new Norn. He demands an answer in far more situations.
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Dec 29, 2022 02:20
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TBH I suspect a significant portion of the playerbase doesn't even know that WotC doesn't ALREADY run the commander rules and banlist.
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Dec 29, 2022 02:31
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Framboise posted:Drannith Magistrate should not be making any player in red or black cry, of all colors lol some commander players don't like to eat their vegetables, and figure that someone else at the table will take care of it so they don't have to play any single-target removal in their deck at all.
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Dec 29, 2022 03:28
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I was going to say maybe it was some weird autocorrect on mobile but that’d be junkies Ito.
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Dec 29, 2022 03:43
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mandatory lesbian posted:I mean not one video could have been made about 30th Edition and that wouldnt change the fact people would scoff at 250$ packs You're right. However, I think it mattered more that the content creators, specifically, scoffed and then made videos about scoffing. I think it established a social opinion that the packs were too expensive AND anyone that bought them would be hopelessly uncool marks for a corporation, even if someone could afford them. Anyways, I think I've talked myself into believing that Commander rules will probably stay in the hands of the RC unless there is some kind of big blow up. The two reasons are:
Privilege remains a hell of drug.
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Dec 29, 2022 04:50
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there could also just be a lot less tension between the two than you're projecting
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Dec 29, 2022 05:16
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If Wizards took over commander they would draw all of the endless ire currently directed at the RC and gain absolutely nothing. The format is going gangbusters regardless of whatever issue you (yes, you) have with the banlist/rules; its not like they could make the format even more popular by changing it. On top you have the generally wise decision of not messing with a good thing, especially one that came about without your involvement, and especially one that comes with a built-in scapegoat.
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Dec 29, 2022 05:21
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Captain Invictus posted:why are you calling him "junto" ito This is just embarrassing, on top of the envelopes with his name on my desk, his name is also visible from here on several books on a shelf. That's bad enough, but I searched my texts/emails/discord for "junto" and "Junji" and the first time I can find where I said "junto" was in 2019. I got his name right early as at least 2010, then some point after said his name wrong and then just wrote it wrong sometimes and haven't been corrected because how can you, when you're the one recommending it wrong.
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Dec 29, 2022 08:46
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oh I thought it might be one of those situations where you mistyped a new word, your spellcheck recorded it as the wrong way, then autocorrects it every time after that and you just didn't notice
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Dec 29, 2022 09:46
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Framboise posted:He can ban cards in his format all he likes, but it is pretty messed up to let him have a say in what gets printed in standard. Well I think this episode demonstrates pretty well that he doesn't actually have a say since they printed the card anyways. That being said, Commander absolutely needs to be taken over by WotC just like every other officially supported format.
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Dec 29, 2022 10:47
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The RC and CAG exist solely to make their members feel important. I believe they’ve claimed to hold some sway over the design process but they have no pull as evidenced by Wizards completely ignoring Sheldon and printing Elesh Norn as-is. The only thing they’ve done in the last two years is ban Hullbreacher. Wizards has no incentive to abolish the group because it serves as a scapegoat for any problems while providing free marketing and advertising of the format. If the CAG or RC ever made a decision that impacted Wizards bottom line they’d be gone in an instant, and they know it.
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Dec 29, 2022 12:55
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commander should just be a democracy. People don't like the RC and obviously you don't want WotC touching or controlling anything if possible, so give us the power.
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Dec 29, 2022 17:56
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Khanstant posted:commander should just be a democracy. People don't like the RC and obviously you don't want WotC touching or controlling anything if possible, so give us the power. yeah it'd be a nice change for the rc/cag to first and foremost say how important it is that you can decide how you want to play yourself, within your playgroup
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Dec 29, 2022 18:02
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Khanstant posted:commander should just be a democracy. People don't like the RC and obviously you don't want WotC touching or controlling anything if possible, so give us the power. You just discovered rule 0, lol Putting commander in the hands of all players as a democracy deciding what the overarching rules everyone is expected to follow would be a loving disaster. Hope you like the entirety of blue getting banned.
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Dec 29, 2022 18:10
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personally I'm unbanning black lotus and time walk, but for me only
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Dec 29, 2022 18:18
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Framboise posted:Hope you like the entirety of blue getting banned. I do, that's why I voted for it as three different players.
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Dec 29, 2022 18:19
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As annoying as Sheldon is, the RC seems fine? I don't really disagree with any of their bans as a guy who is kinda between casual and tryhard
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Framboise posted:You just discovered rule 0, lol This actually happened a little while back, when Mitch from the Commander's Quarters, a popular budget commander channel, decided he hated the Walking Dead secret lair so much that he was going to take his ball and go make his own commander format, Captain, which would be run democratically. Within a week, the Discord server was overrun by nazis and racists who voted him out as format leader (he "democratically" made everyone in the discord server a mod), and the entire thing became an embarrassing fiasco that Mitch has avoided mentioning since. It also seriously tanked his brand as a channel, even more so that his spate of reviewing fantasy cards off reddit rather than doing inexpensive deck builds.
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