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Shifty Nipples posted:I wasn't referring to the article specifically but more to the general "is this because of climate change" question that is asked about every severe weather event. Did a town in Canada burn down because climate change? The climate was old and going to die soon anyway.
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FistEnergy posted:Right. That's why the correct analysis of climate change and COVID is the same. When the data is complex and messy - and the consequences of a lethargic response are grim and permanent - the correct societal response is to take maximum action.
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Koirhor posted:it is 70 degrees warmer today than it was one week ago this is just weather, it's natural. home depot is having a sale on fiberglass spirit levels
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SirPablo posted:You all are too paranoid. NOAA is very protected from political influence, even putting aside how the current admin views climate change. But go off.   lol
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Jacobs was put in a ridiculous situation there (easily the most political situation in recent NOAA history and involving Trump) and yea didn't do the best he could have, didn't fall on the sword like he should have. That doesn't extend to a climate blog post.
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FistEnergy posted:Right. That's why the correct analysis of climate change and COVID is the same. When the data is complex and messy - and the consequences of a lethargic response are grim and permanent - the correct societal response is to take maximum action.
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were they supposed to alert birmingham because trump sharpied the map?
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SirPablo posted:Jacobs was put in a ridiculous situation there (easily the most political situation in recent NOAA history and involving Trump) and yea didn't do the best he could have, didn't fall on the sword like he should have. That doesn't extend to a climate blog post. I'm not saying NOAA is untrustworthy, just that your claim that they were protected from political influence is incorrect, as there is ample evidence that on one occasion they let politics guide their decision making, and it's not paranoid to keep that fact in mind when dealing with any information they put out. They aren't simply a mouthpiece for the Biden Administration, but due to past actions you have to allow for the fact there may be influencing going on that we are unaware of.
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Oglethorpe posted:were they supposed to alert birmingham because trump sharpied the map? Summarizing the CNN article, Trump sharpied the map and said Alabama would be hit, or at least experience effects of Dorian, which the Birmingham National Weather Service said was incorrect and that Alabama was well out of the path of the storm. NOAA then sent out this statement in response: "The information provided by NOAA and the National Hurricane Center to President Trump and the wider public demonstrated that tropical-storm-force winds from Hurricane Dorian could impact Alabama. ... The Birmingham National Weather Service's Sunday morning tweet spoke in absolute terms that were inconsistent with probabilities from the best forecast products available at the time." Which was incorrect. Here's a link to the full article: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/06/15/politics/noaa-leadership-trump-sharpie-hurrican-dorian/index.html
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NOAA leadership lied about impacts from the hurricane under direct pressure from the secretary of commerce, and never even bothered to tell the local office they were going to lie about it, so the office was completely blindsided by the betrayal.
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NOAA is completely free from political influence starting… now!
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Political appointees being pressured to put out a statement by an idiot president is a hell of a distance from a ho-hum, low visibility blog post by some GS12. Do you think every NOAA forecast, tweet, FB post, internet page passes through some Political Filter? lol
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That whole sharpie bullshit happened during the week of a major weather conference where Jacobs gave a keynote speech. I was there and that man was loving shook. He's a career scientist, clearly the political pressure was not anything he was used to. https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/09/noaa-chief-treads-a-thin-line-praising-forecasters-and-not-criticizing-trump/
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SirPablo posted:Political appointees being pressured to put out a statement by an idiot president is a hell of a distance from a ho-hum, low visibility blog post by some GS12. Do you think every NOAA forecast, tweet, FB post, internet page passes through some Political Filter? lol Much like the cdc with regards to day to day covid messaging, there's no need to. You simply lay out things that aren't allowed to be said or causes that can't be stated e.g. covid is airborne or climate change is the cause. The cdc too was thought be to be above politics.
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Apex Rogers posted:NOAA is completely free from political influence starting… now! Joe Biden is making them say it’s gonna rain meatballs
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normal https://twitter.com/sfchronicle/status/1609273261405384704 https://twitter.com/NWSBayArea/status/1609267916452818945 corona familiar has issued a correction as of 21:29 on Dec 31, 2022 |
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600 new posts? what was it cold for a week or something?
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good to know that even when you officially publicly do bad things there are no consequences at all
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scientists finding out how the world really works is always funny
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SirPablo posted:He's a career scientist, clearly the political pressure was not anything he was used to. lol
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SirPablo posted:You all are stupid.
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well your models are even stupider!!
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all my posts are science
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Love to scientifically answer a question with a vague shrug because you asked the question slightly wrong. Sure, scientific consensus is that climate change makes extreme weather events more common and destabilizes the jet stream over time, but you asked whether this specific event was caused by climate change, so the answer is “No.” 
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that's just like, your opinion man
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Apex Rogers posted:Love to scientifically answer a question with a vague shrug because you asked the question slightly wrong. Sure, scientific consensus is that climate change makes extreme weather events more common and destabilizes the jet stream over time, but you asked whether this specific event was caused by climate change, so the answer is “No.” Here's the link again since you didn't read it. It's very accessible to the average goon. https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/understanding-arctic-polar-vortex
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SirPablo posted:Here's the link again since you didn't read it. It's very accessible to the average goon. it sure is, i just clicked the link and there it was
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Shifty Nipples posted:when a forecast says something like "Rain and snow likely after 10am, becoming all rain after 1pm" why do they only say how much snow is expected and nothing about the amount of rain i dont shovel rain
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Real hurthling! posted:i dont shovel rain Coward
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and yet a tarp can protect you from both
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Shifty Nipples posted:when a forecast says something like "Rain and snow likely after 10am, becoming all rain after 1pm" why do they only say how much snow is expected and nothing about the amount of rain Link?
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https://twitter.com/CBSSacramento/status/1609082033292152833 also, it rainy in sf https://twitter.com/rawsalerts/status/1609369450658111488 ekuNNN has issued a correction as of 15:34 on Jan 1, 2023 |
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ekuNNN posted:https://twitter.com/CBSSacramento/status/1609082033292152833 once again people can’t fathom the weather interfering with their daily routine I must drive into the lake because the gps said so
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Very glad this guy didn't get in trouble for doing the obviously right thing.
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Skippy McPants posted:Very glad this guy didn't get in trouble for doing the obviously right thing. Wonder if that will stay true if the cops ID him.
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Mr. Lobe posted:Wonder if that will stay true if the cops ID him. he was ID'd and the cops quoted in the article called him a hero. he isn't getting in trouble.
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SpiritOfLenin posted:he was ID'd and the cops quoted in the article called him a hero. he isn't getting in trouble.  That's only because it would look bad if they did.
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Skippy McPants posted:Very glad this guy didn't get in trouble for doing the obviously right thing. Dude rocks. love the part where he “figured out” how to turn off the blaring alarms. Its not hard if you know what your doing, but I have to wonder if he actually disconnected the primary and backup power connections or just put another break pad through the circuit board to shut it up.
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