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disaster pastor posted:More like "is it OK to attack people so stupid they come out, threaten to kill you in a minute, then make themselves utterly defenseless for most of that minute." One of the things the TV series got right was that morphing takes a few seconds instead of 1-2 minutes. 60 seconds is an extremely long time in a crisis situation! So the books are constantly handwaving that away and having people morph in the time most convenient for the narrative, except for the handful of times when a long morphing period cheaply adds tension (usually, from memory, when they're falling through the sky and need to morph birds).
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Chapter 25quote:Tseeew! Tseeew! Not a good chapter for communication. Chapter 26 quote:On and on through the dark tunnel we raced. isn't Ax's prayer there the same as Elfangor's as a cadet?
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# ? Dec 30, 2022 04:00 |
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Ax is really getting his big Spock moment right there
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Epicurius posted:Chapter 25 It's the death ritual / suicide run ritual quote:<I am the servant of the People [bow head]. I am the servant of my prince [raise stalk eyes upward]. I am the servant of honor. My life is not my own, when the People have need of it. My life is given for the People, for my prince, and for my honor.>
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Chapter 27quote:The impact was incredible. Even the roach felt it. It was as if the Earth itself had exploded. it is clearly impossible to kill Visser One, so why try? Chapter 28 quote:The people backed up, and began to run. Well, the mission was a success, so to speak. i do wonder how many people got trampled trying to escape, though.
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# ? Dec 31, 2022 04:41 |
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Epicurius posted:Chapter 28 Not to mention bombs big enough to collapse that tunnel complex, which supposedly extends under most of the city, would kill a whole lot more people on the surface than anyone who could have possibly heard Cassie on the train.
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quote:“Ax! They can’t hear me! Too many of them can’t hear me!” If only somebody present were capable of telepathy
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# ? Dec 31, 2022 08:43 |
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Hey, here's a random question I've been thinking about a lot. When the Blue-Bands were first introduced, they were introduced as like, the best of the best and the baddest of the baddest. They were meant to be a major, dangerous threat. Do you think they've lived up to that? It feels to me like they're kind of a dropped ball. They haven't really done anything more than the normal Hork-Bajir Controllers, you know?
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# ? Dec 31, 2022 09:04 |
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Vandar posted:Hey, here's a random question I've been thinking about a lot. Yeah, I first noticed them a few books ago, when Ax hacked into the Yeerk computer system to find Tobias's mom or whatever it was. The narration was all "the Blue Bands are the most fearsome, terrifying Hork Bajir fighters we've ever encountered" and I was like "Who?" I'd completely missed their introduction several books earlier. To be fair, they were always dispatched so quickly they hardly made a ripple anyway.
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# ? Dec 31, 2022 09:53 |
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Vandar posted:Hey, here's a random question I've been thinking about a lot. Conceptually, they're a good idea. The Year's are too often cannon fodder who in practice aren't much of a threat, and an elite combat unit that can take the Animorphs on helps raise the stakes. In practice, they were introduced too late to matter. They should have had their own book, that ends with the Animorphs taking them on and barely escaping with their lives.
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# ? Dec 31, 2022 12:36 |
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All these aliens see humans as primitive and unnoteworthy, but all it takes is just some guys with assault rifles and they just lay waste to a bunch of controllers armed with death rays. I realize that orbital bombardment and superior fighters and cloaking technology would make this a one-sided fight for the Yeerks very quickly, but it is just insane how it seems like the Yeerks are just utter morons.
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# ? Dec 31, 2022 21:58 |
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Star Man posted:All these aliens see humans as primitive and unnoteworthy, but all it takes is just some guys with assault rifles and they just lay waste to a bunch of controllers armed with death rays. I realize that orbital bombardment and superior fighters and cloaking technology would make this a one-sided fight for the Yeerks very quickly, but it is just insane how it seems like the Yeerks are just utter morons. I said way back near the start of this Let's Read project that in the war between the Yeerks and humanity, the Yeerks were a hunter with a very high powered rifle, and humanity was a rhino stuck in a pit. The hunter could shoot the rhino and kill it at their leisure at any point, but if the hunter ever fell into the pit with the rhino, the rhino would absolutely gore the hunter to death. The hunter has just fallen into the pit with the rhino.
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Star Man posted:All these aliens see humans as primitive and unnoteworthy, but all it takes is just some guys with assault rifles and they just lay waste to a bunch of controllers armed with death rays. I realize that orbital bombardment and superior fighters and cloaking technology would make this a one-sided fight for the Yeerks very quickly, but it is just insane how it seems like the Yeerks are just utter morons. I think one of the ways to justify this and square the Star Trek side of things with the relative realism of Earth is that apparently Earth's biodiversity is very rare in the Animorphs universe and thus overwhelming to the Andalites and Yeerks alike. They just kind-of find the whole environment insane to their sensibilities. It's like the old jokes about how the Colonial powers were never prepared for the absolute fuckery of the jungles of Asia, Africa, or South America, only this time the natives are actually very capable of winning because the colonizers and the smallpox are kind-of the same organism.
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# ? Dec 31, 2022 22:36 |
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Plus while the Yeerks could trivially kill everyone on Earth at any point that runs directly counter to their objective which is to have as many viable host bodies as possible. I think its also important to remember that the Yeerks were uplifted by the Andalites within the last 40 years and they uh never really developed most of the technology or tactics they use. Their military is explicitly a weird backstabbing cargo cult that hasn't really internalized anything like 'training' and they seem to have so far kept the Andalites perpetually on the back foot almost exclusively because both groups have wildly different ideas about what is 'valuable'. The Andalites keep sending hilariously small amounts of resources the Yeerks can stomp in the places they value most. Meanwhile the Andalites have kept a perpetual lock on the Yeerk homeworld since the start of the war, presumably using a lot of their fleet power, and the Yeerks don't really seem to give a poo poo. Add to that Taxxons, Gedd and Hork-Bajir don't have anything resembling a military for the Yeerks to steal from and that the only Andalite they ever infested was a jackass megalomaniac, its really no wonder why the Yeerks have such a poor overall grasp of pretty much everything. Even most of the high level Yeerks we see in human hosts are things like 'High School principal', 'High School student', 'College student' etc and you can see how that probably hasn't helped much either Zore fucked around with this message at 22:52 on Dec 31, 2022 |
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I stand by my theory that Andalite high command is intentionally sandbagging in order to solidify their place as 'space police' in this corner of the galaxy and also take over andalite society in a soft coup
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His Dark Materials finished up. It's a good, cozy show; not that great, but not horrible. Something good that really sticks out about the show is how good the CG is for the animals like the various daemons or the polar bear. It makes me wish that someone out there decides to make a show or movie based on Animorphs. They could really do some body horror with the transitions. They could really bring it all of the aliens to life.
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Mazerunner posted:I stand by my theory that Andalite high command is intentionally sandbagging in order to solidify their place as 'space police' in this corner of the galaxy and also take over andalite society in a soft coup I definitely think the way to think about Andalite-Yeerk War is more like the War on Terror rather than a traditional conflict. The Andalites have the Yeerk homeworld locked down, and whenever the Yeerks get too involved somewhere the Andalites show up and start blowing the poo poo out of everything.
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Just for the SEO -- any Animorphs adaptation in the 2020s is a probably a terrible idea that is lose-lose for everyone involved aside from ideally giving Applegrant a well-deserved set of royalties. It would be a difficult, thankless production that would have to work extremely hard to be marketable to the point where it either wouldn't be an Animorphs adaptation or it would have to have a budget akin to the 90s Canadian show again. I -- an actual, invested, unironic Animorphs fan in 2023-- would not be interested in an Animorphs adaptation. I would not go out of my way to watch it. I would not tell people about it on social media. This is not because I dislike Animorphs or am against the idea of adaptation. Just... some stuff really isn't worth the trouble.
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# ? Jan 1, 2023 05:48 |
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Both Jake and Visser One want to wish you a happy New Year. More chapters tomorrow. Also, regarding a movie, it was talked about, and then last year, Applegrant rmwithdrew themselves as consultants due to unspecified "created differences", and we haven't heard anything about it since
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Epicurius posted:Both Jake and Visser One want to wish you a happy New Year. More chapters tomorrow. Of course, they don't own the rights and were only being kept in the loop as a courtesy; for all we know, it's still going forward. That'd probably be a bad idea and a bad adaptation, but
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Chapter 29quote:Late that day, we perched on the roof of one of the few skyscrapers left in the area. Well, that's the book. Tomorrow, we start Book 53, The Answer. Meanwhile, I leave you with this poem.. After Blenheim By Robert Southey, 1798 quote:It was a summer evening,
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# ? Jan 2, 2023 05:15 |
Is this the first time they've explicitly acknowledged killing humans?
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There's a lot of things you could do differently with these books in retrospect, but one key improvement would be scrapping the Chee and having their role replaced by the peace movement. So many of the books in the middle section of this series lean hard on the Chee's intelligence network and that's a logical thing for the pro-peace Yeerks to be doing.
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Rochallor posted:There's a lot of things you could do differently with these books in retrospect, but one key improvement would be scrapping the Chee and having their role replaced by the peace movement. So many of the books in the middle section of this series lean hard on the Chee's intelligence network and that's a logical thing for the pro-peace Yeerks to be doing. I think that having the Chee be willing to replace them when they're on extended missions while having the intelligence on targets of opportunity come from the Yeerk Peace Movement would be a good middle ground. The Chee are really interesting, and their ties to the larger stakes of the war is a great addition.
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Capfalcon posted:I think that having the Chee be willing to replace them when they're on extended missions while having the intelligence on targets of opportunity come from the Yeerk Peace Movement would be a good middle ground. The Chee are really interesting, and their ties to the larger stakes of the war is a great addition. You're not wrong but there is an element of "don't we have enough on the board?" with them, which is the same reason a lot of the single books with aliens of the week also hit a bit of a saturation point. Hell even as a kid I remember finding the Elminster and Crayak to be a "oh come on them too now?" moment. I would consider scrapping and streamlining most of the space stuff and nixing pretty much all factions that aren't directly Yeerk/Andalite-related, maybe even combine the Elminster and Crayak into one character (and no cheating with some "oh but they're the same being split into two" I loving see you over there thinking that already and no that actually takes away complexity/depth rather than adding it!) Move the Chee stuff over to splinter factions of Yeerks, even 1-2 other human cells that are working with Yeerks (both for and against; you know you want to see some starfucker Yeerk sympathizers begging to get a slug put in their head and realizing what it actually entails; classic Vampire poo poo), and you add a fuckton of grey area wartime morality the series is going for except this time we aren't as worried about android dogs with super-strength. It's fun to spitball this though because at the end of the day you can't get rid of the Andalites and their design is like, intentionally as unfriendly to adaptation as humanly possible. mind the walrus fucked around with this message at 22:14 on Jan 2, 2023 |
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Book 53, The Answer, is a Jake. It’s also the first time we’ve gotten Jake’s perspective since 47 (the Civil War one). Wonder how he’s doin.
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I salute you, Jake, for channeling the spirit of Saint Sherman and leveling a town.
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Book 53-The Answer Chapter 1 quote:<They’re going after the elementary school,> Tobias said. They are getting hungry. That also means they're vulnerable. At leat we get one last thermal reference. Chapter 2 quote:My name is Jake. The sort of start of book summary, although those of you who skip them should read this one. We also learned Jake's last name and his age.
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# ? Jan 3, 2023 04:14 |
Jake you're sounding an awful lot like one Rand al'Thor immediately before he torches an entire palace to kill one person and very nearly firebombs his allies
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It's a good recap, and I do like that while we're supposed to see Jake's detachment as a bad thing the scene also makes it really really hard to argue for that humanistic compassion.
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Jake's been in and out of almost a fugue state for the last few books since their secret blew up and his parents were taken. This internal dialogue is showing how badly he's spiraling at this point even if he's looking more functional. And he really should not be in this position any more, especially as we're in out and out open warfare. But no one else is stepping up or stepping in. And its the culmination of the question he's had as his arc from the beginning about leadership and what it does to the person who has it. Zore fucked around with this message at 05:41 on Jan 3, 2023 |
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The Air Force also lost a pair of F-35s on this mission. Not to the Bug fighters, there was a light drizzle on the way.
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I wonder how long it would be before this escalated to nuclear strikes on the landing point or if the US military is too compromised at this point to pull it off. Surely after aliens land and blitz Suburbia, USA off the map someone's preparing something.
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# ? Jan 3, 2023 08:55 |
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How many books are left in the series at this point? And are they all good ones?
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# ? Jan 3, 2023 09:11 |
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Tree Bucket posted:How many books are left in the series at this point? And are they all good ones? This is the penultimate book. Buckle in! And yes, I would argue that they're both good.
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# ? Jan 3, 2023 09:30 |
I read ahead and yes they are both good Holy gently caress Arbron just gets pointlessly wasted by some poachers after he saves the Taxxon race? jfc they really put the boot in
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Chapter 3quote:“It’s too dangerous.” That was Eva, Marco’s mom. The woman who had been host body to the first Visser One. “Visser One will know that you know. He’ll know you’re coming. He can’t let you destroy a Pool ship - that’s the only large-scale food supply the Yeerks have. The Blade ship can only service so many. Lose a Pool ship? The Council of Thirteen would have Visser One executed.” Sorry. Just one chapter today. But do you think Jake is losing it?
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# ? Jan 4, 2023 04:10 |
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Just caught back up and drat, I picked a hell of a time for it.
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# ? Jan 4, 2023 07:32 |
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I've read this book many times (it's my favorite!) but often just glanced over the summary parts of the first two chapters so thanks y'all for pointing out just how ruthless and unhinged Jake's internal monologues have become. I wonder if the others besides Cassie can tell.
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QuickbreathFinisher posted:This is the penultimate book. Buckle in! Also both Applegrant-authored, for the first time (in the main series) since starfish book.
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