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i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

68 is freezing though

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tokin opposition
Apr 8, 2021

I don't jailbreak the androids, I set them free.

WATCH MARS EXPRESS (2023)
68 is the perfect temperature

Shipon
Nov 7, 2005

tokin opposition posted:

68 is the perfect temperature
A nice, even, 20 C

War and Pieces
Apr 24, 2022

DID NOT VOTE FOR FETTERMAN

i say swears online posted:

68 is freezing though

depends on the humidity

Yadoppsi
May 10, 2009

Futanari Damacy posted:

They should let the Game of Thrones guys make their Confederate fantasy show now

They should make the "Fire on the Mountain" adaption STARZ was talking about when the buzz from HBO was about D&D's Confederate show. Has anyone read it? "Fire on the Mountain" is an althistory about what if John Brown's rebellion was a successful seed for a major slave rebellion that succeeded and created a country for freedmen out of the Deep South. It goes socialist and as a locus of inspiration leads to other revolutions like the Paris Commune and the German revolution succeeding.

Throb Robinson
Feb 8, 2010

He would enjoy administering the single antidote to Leia. He would enjoy it very much indeed..

gradenko_2000 posted:

https://twitter.com/mikeduncan/status/1607131724038782978?t=grdBDnuvWQe81LeuT1KnbQ&s=19

Godspeed you anyone who stuck with Revolutions all this time. I tapped out just after January 2020

It was wild to hear Mike go through all the revolutions he covered but be unable to process the Russian Revolution as anything but a Liberal still.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

Futanari Damacy posted:

They should let the Game of Thrones guys make their Confederate fantasy show now

The Confederacy was openly talking about expanding to the Pacific Coast and taking all of Central and South America, forging a hemispheric slave empire. And when the, for lack of a better word, Confederate "intelligentsia" looked at the industrializing north and considered the plight of the workers there, they always ended with something along the lines of 'drat, they'd be better off if they were slaves!'. Advances in Souther race science was starting to suggest that there were different kinds of whites, with some suited to be masters and others not.

So if you really wanted to make a show about what if the Confederacy had survived to the present day, you'd have to conceptualize it as a situation where a tiny number of free white billionaires ruled over one billion slaves. With all the natural resources of the Americas, the Confederacy would not be an international pariah state or some backwoods throwback, it would be the cornerstone of the global economy. And in that case, it would be a hell of a lot more than just nazi Germany who looked to them as a model.

And then you'd have to think about how science would progress in that situation. Specifically, what happens when modern surgery is developed. Surgery as punishment would be guaranteed, but you'd also have surgery to make slaves more aesthetically pleasing to their owners, and whole new fields of surgery devoted to making slaves more efficient at their labor. Remember that article about billionaires trying to figure out how they'd keep their workers working after the apocalypse? Bomb collars would absolutely be a thing, although after decades of technological progress I imagine they'd come up with more elegant solutions we can't even imagine.

So if you really wanted to do a story about the confederacy surviving, you'd have to make it a (at least) hemisphere-wide nightmare world producing suffering and horror at scale and inventiveness unimaginable today, so entrenched in the global system that even the thought of challenging it is absurd.

Futanari Damacy
Oct 30, 2021

by sebmojo
They couldn't even do a decent adaptation of a story that was already completely fleshed out for them with the ending already written. I can't imagine what crap they'd come up with on their own. Remember when they were going to direct Star Wars? :laugh:

Bro Dad
Mar 26, 2010


Gripweed posted:

The Confederacy was openly talking about expanding to the Pacific Coast and taking all of Central and South America, forging a hemispheric slave empire. And when the, for lack of a better word, Confederate "intelligentsia" looked at the industrializing north and considered the plight of the workers there, they always ended with something along the lines of 'drat, they'd be better off if they were slaves!'. Advances in Souther race science was starting to suggest that there were different kinds of whites, with some suited to be masters and others not.

So if you really wanted to make a show about what if the Confederacy had survived to the present day, you'd have to conceptualize it as a situation where a tiny number of free white billionaires ruled over one billion slaves. With all the natural resources of the Americas, the Confederacy would not be an international pariah state or some backwoods throwback, it would be the cornerstone of the global economy. And in that case, it would be a hell of a lot more than just nazi Germany who looked to them as a model.

And then you'd have to think about how science would progress in that situation. Specifically, what happens when modern surgery is developed. Surgery as punishment would be guaranteed, but you'd also have surgery to make slaves more aesthetically pleasing to their owners, and whole new fields of surgery devoted to making slaves more efficient at their labor. Remember that article about billionaires trying to figure out how they'd keep their workers working after the apocalypse? Bomb collars would absolutely be a thing, although after decades of technological progress I imagine they'd come up with more elegant solutions we can't even imagine.

So if you really wanted to do a story about the confederacy surviving, you'd have to make it a (at least) hemisphere-wide nightmare world producing suffering and horror at scale and inventiveness unimaginable today, so entrenched in the global system that even the thought of challenging it is absurd.

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

S.M. Stirling is a CSPAM poster?

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

The Chad Jihad posted:

I'm not trying to convince anyone I just think its funny
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eETuZBeSxuA

armando ianucci sux

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
character: hello you cumknuckle shitstain. i'm going to jam this senate bill up your fuckety gently caress gently caress rear end

*audience of apes hoots and hollers*

KirbyKhan
Mar 20, 2009



Soiled Meat

projecthalaxy posted:

podcast fandom and lottery fandom come forth from diametrically opposite brains

Happy new years. I still think about this post sometimes

projecthalaxy
Dec 27, 2008

Yes hello it is I Kurt's Secret Son


KirbyKhan posted:

Happy new years. I still think about this post sometimes

I dont remember making it so that makes one of us! It's unclear what this could have possibly meant!

Happy new year.

Farm Frenzy
Jan 3, 2007

the channel 5 hbo doc is very good. i really loved conspiracy child calling his dad a loser for falling for q at the end

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

https://twitter.com/TMZ/status/1609687038848282624?t=P9utoKMPoIp8Lov6V9snJg&s=19

Somehow this is podcast news as well

Zedhe Khoja
Nov 10, 2017

sürgünden selamlar
yıkıcılar ulusuna

Atrocious Joe posted:

how many War Nerd listeners are writing alternate history stories about a Confederate victory based on McClellan going full traitor and marching on DC.

fake warnerd fan. cannon Dolan althistory is that conquering the strategically useless DC would have just freaked out the power centers in NYC/Philly and caused an earlier and more effective Northern steamroll.

Wraith of J.O.I.
Jan 25, 2012


Farm Frenzy posted:

the channel 5 hbo doc is very good. i really loved conspiracy child calling his dad a loser for falling for q at the end

the reveal at the end that the old gun totating qnanon youtuber was himself a convicted pedophile was one of the wildest things i've seen this last year

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018


dude what this sucks rear end

KirbyKhan
Mar 20, 2009



Soiled Meat
Rip to a real one. She is an Oscar winner

Kazzah
Jul 15, 2011

Formerly known as
Krazyface
Hair Elf

Atrocious Joe posted:

S.M. Stirling is a CSPAM poster?

yeah I was gonna say that’s just The Stone Dogs

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

Bro Dad posted:

iirc it's because british audiences like to see smug idiots get taken down a peg. meanwhile most americans are smug idiots so the lovable well-meaning goofus is a more popular archetype

One of the most bafflings things to me is the way that one Newsroom monologue is intended to make Jeff Newsroom look cool, instead of like the smuggest prick imaginable (to the extent that I would normally consider it a bit overly exaggerated and on-the-nose).

edit: I mean seriously look at this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIpKfw17-yY&t=167s

I like how he goes on to talk about how terrible things are in the country, and immediately follows it up by saying this 20-year-old college student is part of the "worst period generation period ever" (he says the "period"s), even though she hadn't done a single thing to even remotely warrant that level of deranged contempt (aside from ask the same question that the host asks).

COPE 27 posted:

I'm so mad that a podcaster moved to be close to his wife

Ah, I guess I'm not up to date on my podcaster lore. That basically explains it.

Shipon posted:

San Diego has hands down the best weather in America and is unfortunately marred by having not much else other than great mexican food. still would love to move back though, norcal is definitely a downgrade

It apparently has good Chinese food too. My Chinese coworker who I traveled there with told me that he was very excited to visit restaurants that his Chinese friends (like actually from China, my coworker was born in China and came here as an adult and apparently some of his college friends had moved to CA) had all recommended. I went to a couple with him and they were definitely good, though I'm sure my coworker had a much better frame of reference for exactly how good they were.

It was definitely super nice, though. I remember thinking that it's just profoundly unfair that places with weather like that exist (I live in Memphis).

Ytlaya has issued a correction as of 03:06 on Jan 2, 2023

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Ytlaya posted:

One of the most bafflings things to me is the way that one Newsroom monologue is intended to make Jeff Newsroom look cool, instead of like the smuggest prick imaginable (to the extent that I would normally consider it a bit overly exaggerated and on-the-nose).

that one Jeff Newsroom monologue isn't just about him being correct, it's also Sorkin's approximation of a "meltdown" where someone loses all decorum and just tells it like it is, which then ends up winning over people who were so sick of the politeness

Reese Witherspoon's character also did in "The Morning Show": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLaNhAgpUsQ

the whole premise of Volodymyr Zelensky's "Servant of the People" is that it happens to him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEvjsjvXQM4&t=693s (bookmark at 11:33) and it's the thing that catapults him to the presidency

even The Boys did it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AelGFpGq8zM

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

gradenko_2000 posted:

that one Jeff Newsroom monologue isn't just about him being correct, it's also Sorkin's approximation of a "meltdown" where someone loses all decorum and just tells it like it is, which then ends up winning over people who were so sick of the politeness

Yeah, which makes it even funnier how completely uncalled for the insult against the college girl is. The Chapo episodes covering Sorkin stuff did a good job of highlighting how incredibly sexist the guy is. He basically exemplifies this uniquely liberal type of sexism (and bigotry in general) that basically amounts to "gender/racial stereotyping is wrong...but sometimes women/black people/etc meet those stereotypes and I loving hate those (insert slurs)"

Farm Frenzy
Jan 3, 2007

How many references to network are in the newsroom. Does sorkin ever notice that he's making the same premise but not a satire

some plague rats
Jun 5, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Ytlaya posted:


Matt moving there is a bit harder to understand. Maybe he just liked the constant nice weather?

All failing comedians move to LA and he's married to one, OP

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

some plague rats posted:

All failing comedians move to LA and he's married to one, OP

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

Farm Frenzy posted:

How many references to network are in the newsroom. Does sorkin ever notice that he's making the same premise but not a satire

AFAIK it's only Studio 60 where Sorkin's self-insert writer characters are explicitly compared to the guy who wrote Network by other characters.

Quotey
Aug 16, 2006

We went out for lunch and then we stopped for some bubble tea.
lsitened to the chapo live compilation. usually wouldnt, but just decided to give it a try. audio quality was fine, better than some real eps. it was fun! had 2 reading series and a bunch of fun moments, as well as fan favourite chris being on at one of the shows

matt absolutely imitates stav's laugh. listen from 1:05:00, it's so weird!

jason miller story at the end is really funny. didnt know he got sued over a tweet

E: just reread this post and I used fun 3 times. Jesus. stand by the idea though

Quotey has issued a correction as of 07:35 on Jan 2, 2023

Salvor_Hardin
Sep 13, 2005

I want to go protest.
Nap Ghost
I knew it happened but had no idea it was so harrowing. Having to live months of your life with a $100m lawsuit dangling over your head must suck rear end and balls.

Kunster
Dec 24, 2006

Did you ever read during the late 1990's those websites that would review b-movies in a sardonic fashion? Like you'd stumble on those if you went around link rings on Seanbaby's link section. Matt (and in a way, Will Menaker) came from posting on the forums of those websites, so his progression kind of makes sense.

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry
AIT would love this because he loves elon musk and lowtax and kiss them on the mouth: the latest Tech Wont Save Us had the guest spend like 5 minutes talking about somethingawful and how elon is turning into lowtax.

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007


I started writing a post about the differences between Homelander meltdown and the sorkin ones and halfway through I realized they were basically the same poo poo: a narcissistic baby screaming that he and only he knows what's right. Sorkin just buries it in pseudo intellectual garbage while Homelanders is pure nationalist frenzy.

But it's the same poo poo. One meant in earnest, another in satire.

emdash
Oct 19, 2003

and?

Forceholy posted:

Didn't a few of the Chapos move to LA anyway? I think Will is the only one still living in New York.

will said in the gq interview that he will move there too (“it’s gonna happen”)

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Cpt_Obvious posted:

I started writing a post about the differences between Homelander meltdown and the sorkin ones and halfway through I realized they were basically the same poo poo: a narcissistic baby screaming that he and only he knows what's right. Sorkin just buries it in pseudo intellectual garbage while Homelanders is pure nationalist frenzy.

But it's the same poo poo. One meant in earnest, another in satire.

yup. "nationalist frenzy" is a trenchant phrase especially when you reflect on what it meant for Zelensky as well

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

Xaris posted:

AIT would love this because he loves elon musk and lowtax and kiss them on the mouth: the latest Tech Wont Save Us had the guest spend like 5 minutes talking about somethingawful and how elon is turning into lowtax.

how come nobody seems to get that Lowtax isn’t the comparison to make here. Elon Musk bought a website he didn’t make. I suspect nobody wants to actually say Jeffrey of YOSPOS out loud while simultaneously giving away that they still use the forums.

it’s even a better example of how buying a website means you’re nuts and will only become nuttier as you turn it into your plaything.

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007
I really like the cum town bit where all the Presidents are saying that they're Ryan Schutt and they're gay and then Trump gets booed for breaking the norm and saying he's not Ryan Schutt and he's straight

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

mila kunis posted:

character: hello you cumknuckle shitstain. i'm going to jam this senate bill up your fuckety gently caress gently caress rear end

*audience of apes hoots and hollers*

One dubious pleasure of social media, where millions of strangers gather to address each other as though you were not even there, is the sense that what you’re reading is an augur of how people talk now. It’s like watching the weather; in the right mindset, a couple random clouds guarantee rain tomorrow. For weeks, now, the cloud on my horizon has been “fuckbonnet.”

Internet philologists will recognize “fuckbonnet” as the coinage of David Simon, creator of HBO’s The Wire. In September, he wrote a blog post titled “A Fuckbonnet For Our Time,” in which he excoriated Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey and his “shitsquib minions” as “fuckstumbling stewards of an essential information resource.” Putting aside the question of whether Twitter is essential, these phrases sound fun. They take the swears we’ve known since childhood and combine them with phonetically pleasing non-swear words in new ways — ways that seem inventive and exciting for about one minute, until we realize that they are all basically the same.

As existentialists, we of course reject the idea that behavior constitutes identity. Still, the emergence of these new swears, their consistency in combination with their popularity, suggests a certain type of person. Willy Staley, a story editor at The New York Times Magazine, calls them “swear nerds.” What quality they share besides their interest in new swears is ineffable, but one encounters it again and again, in different but somehow uniform iterations.

Let us call this feeling that swear nerds are multiplying the Douchenozzle Effect. It’s difficult to say when people first began saying “douche nozzle” outside of a technical context. James Jones used “douchebag” as an insult in the novel From Here to Eternity in 1951; the “-nozzle” variation got its first Urban Dictionary entry in 2003. By 2012, the Chronicle of Higher Education had declared “douche-” compounds the “Epithet of the Moment.” Since then, “douchenozzle” has emerged as the most visible of the new swears, burning so brightly as to brand anyone who still uses it.

Simon himself acknowledges that “douchenozzle was done in mid-2014.” Like phrenology or Apple Bottom jeans, it got so popular during one period of time that it now evokes that time more than any other meaning. To call some public figure a douchenozzle in 2019 is to say more about yourself than you say about them. It signals the worst admission you can make on the internet, that the old slang is still new to you. That is the Douchenozzle Effect: what was once a new coinage becomes a recognizable fad — i.e. an old fad — and begins working, as an insult, in the opposite direction.

In the Chronicle of Higher Education post linked above, Ben Yagoda points to a 2006 interview with Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert, in which the two liberal comedians throw “douche bag” around like a football on Christmas morning. As with the death of Crossfire and the ongoing career of Samantha Bee, I believe Stewart deserves credit for popularizing the swear-plus-funny-word construction. He had the reach, and in the last years of his tenure on The Daily Show — when political entertainment became less a battle of ideas than a contest to see who could most vividly express their frustration — he had the incentive to discover new packages for familiar irreverence. The formula he developed with “Fuckface von Clownstick” and other ventures into compound profanity is now understood by a generation of liberal internet subscribers.



What starts as culture proceeds by formula to become kitsch. Even if “fuckcyle” was funny to someone, somewhere, at one time, it now belongs to a class of insults so uniform in their construction that none of them can be surprising. “Fuckcycle,” “shitwhistle,” “cockbucket,” our ex-friend “douchenozzle,” and their ilk all follow the same pattern: familiar profanity compounded with a non-profane word of two unaccented syllables, known to prosody as a pyrrhic foot.

“Fuckbonnet” is a swear-pyrrhic compound. The double-n in the middle and stop consonant at the end make it fun to say, but — and this is crucial — the insult itself does not say anything. What is a fuckbonnet, exactly? Is it something you wear when you get…? Is it a hat that has fallen out of fashion and is now only good for…? There’s no discernible meaning behind the word; it only expresses contempt and the author’s vain originality. I submit that this aspect of the new swears is a feature, not a bug. The reason this formula has become so popular in our time is that it conveys the author’s outrage without running the risk of actually insulting anybody.

The guide to the formula embedded above points to this aspect of the new swears, describing them as “non-gendered insults” that are better than problematic old standbys like “bitch.” Coming up with insults that do not invoke gender or race or disability is good. The point of an insult is to hurt the person so insulted, not to deride an entire class. For this reason, though, the insult must describe or otherwise connect to its target. The signature feature of the new swears is that they do not carry any target-specific content. Simon can call the CEO of Twitter a “fuckbonnet,” but he might just as easily apply the word to Rand Paul or a QAnon conspiracist. Unlike a real insult, it’s nothing personal.

Bluenoses will say that the creator of a prestige drama calling the CEO of a media company a “fuckbonnet” is a breakdown of civility. In fact, it is civility purring like a kitten, the machine running just as intended. The essence of civility is to not say things that hurt people. The insults that proceed from the swear-pyrrhic formula are perfectly civil, because they contain nothing specific to the insulted party, no barb the target might have a hard time digging out. If I fire up Twitter to call the President of the United States a douchenozzle, it says nothing about him — only a little about me.

Perhaps that is why the new swears are so popular in political discourse on social media, where people tend to speak to an imagined audience rather than to each other. We talk about how bitterly divided our politics have become, which is weird, because it seems like none of the parties involved are actually at odds. Someone like Trump delivers a tax cut to the rich, and someone like Simon calls him a pissmonger on Twitter, at which point the hashtag resistance celebrates itself while the refund checks go out. The swear-pyrrhic formula never produces a weapon. It’s always more like a display: the big, colorful tail that one peacock is impressive enough to unfurl while the other peacocks are being eaten by dogs.

The swear nerds are outraged enough to demand fresh profanity but still too comfortable to play for blood. In their precious outbursts, they seem to be playing the role of firebrands without actually getting out there with fire and trying to brand somebody. The liberal middle class is ready to call the president a douchecanoe, but it is not yet ready to call him a oval office-lipped maidfucker with peasant hips. This is why we should be able to call NHD a retard.

projecthalaxy
Dec 27, 2008

Yes hello it is I Kurt's Secret Son


yeah

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tristeham
Jul 31, 2022

crepeface posted:

This is why we should be able to call NHD a retard.

Amen.

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