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AsInHowe posted:For what it's worth, when something similar has happened in hockey, the game was started from the beginning. Sort of. Detroit was still down 1-0 even though they played the entire game.
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Any updates on health will come from family, team, or Hamlin's agent. Hospital cannot give out any medical information because it directly will get them in trouble with the feds. Him being intubated and sedated is standard and if he's stable that's good. poo poo is absolutely wild
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Kvantum posted:Has sports ever had a day like this, ever? In terms of multiple disasters, maybe not. But in terms of traumatic impact, yeah. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hank_Gathers#Heart_condition_and_death The footage of it is awful, similar to tonight except you can see Gathers' face since it's basketball and back then they ran that poo poo over and over.
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https://www.gofundme.com/f/mxksc-the-chasing-ms-foundation-community-toy-drive $2.34m. It will definitely hit 1000x the goal tonight. Faith restored in sports fans.
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The NFL, NHL, and MLB have each had one player die from an injury or heart attack during a game. Each league changed their policies to prevent it from happening again.
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Jeez, that was rough sporting news to wake up to. Reminded me immediately of Christian Eriksen's collapse on the pitch in 2021 soccer Euros, followed by CPR and transport to hospital. UEFA being UEFA the game was continued after a while - NFLPA / NFL fortunately seem to have more sense. Hopefully Hamlin gets better. With Eriksen the situation was dramatic, but year and a half later he's still playing professional ball.
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Chamale posted:The NFL, NHL, and MLB have each had one player die from an injury or heart attack during a game. Each league changed their policies to prevent it from happening again. I am all for this but what do you actually change to stop this? It appears to be an absolute freak accident unless the dude had a known heart condition or something.
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Holy poo poo, $2.56m! 1000x the goal. So loving awesome. https://www.gofundme.com/f/mxksc-the-chasing-ms-foundation-community-toy-drive
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Docjowles posted:I am all for this but what do you actually change to stop this? It appears to be an absolute freak accident unless the dude had a known heart condition or something. After Chuck Hughes' heart attack, the NFL ensured that every game would have paramedics and an ambulance next to the field, and that policy may have saved Hamlin's life. I think there's nothing they could change in the rules of the game to prevent this, other than changing it to flag football.
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Chamale posted:After Chuck Hughes' heart attack, the NFL ensured that every game would have paramedics and an ambulance next to the field, and that policy may have saved Hamlin's life. I think there's nothing they could change in the rules of the game to prevent this, other than changing it to flag football. Sad but true. Maybe an improvement to chest guards, but I doubt there will be any big changes.
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Chamale posted:After Chuck Hughes' heart attack, the NFL ensured that every game would have paramedics and an ambulance next to the field, and that policy may have saved Hamlin's life. I think there's nothing they could change in the rules of the game to prevent this, other than changing it to flag football. If it is what has been speculated (cardiac arrest caused by blunt force applied at a very specific time of the cardiac rythym), maybe there could be some kind of redesign of the shoulder/chest pads to help spread the force out more so less is applied to the heart?
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Lifespan posted:Holy poo poo, $2.56m! 1000x the goal. So loving awesome. https://www.gofundme.com/f/mxksc-the-chasing-ms-foundation-community-toy-drive It's catching loving fire. In the span of you posting this til me writing this it jumped to almost 2.7m
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I'm not going to be able to sleep tonight. Seeing Hamlin go limp and drop like a sack of rocks brought back the vivid memories of my three-day-old, after getting his first exam at the pediatrician, going limp in my arms because being placed on a cold scale in a cold room triggered something. Thank god we were *at* the pediatrician and they brought him back but I'm just so loving.... thousand yard staring right now. Its heartening to see the GoFundMe up over 1000% now: https://www.gofundme.com/f/mxksc-the-chasing-ms-foundation-community-toy-drive
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Mr. Funny Pants posted:In terms of multiple disasters, maybe not. But in terms of traumatic impact, yeah. I was trying so hard to remember who this was. All I could remember was that it was a college basketball player and it happened so long ago that it was where I learned what "collapsed" meant because I was that young.
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Who needs to sleep when you can doom scroll about football. Happy the charity is doing well and hope they can find something good to do with the money.
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fartknocker posted:He’s been with ESPN since he retired in 2015, and was often the guy they had with SVP after MNF to talk about the game on SportsCenter, along with their other NFL stuff. It’s kind of a crazy coincidence that he’s arguably the best ex-NFL player in the media to be on hand to talk about a life and death situation like this. Since I didn't see it posted elsewhere, for those who don't know: Wikipedia posted:During a 2007 game against the Denver Broncos at Invesco Field at Mile High, Clark developed severe pain in his left side and had to be rushed to the hospital. It turned out that Clark had suffered a splenic infarction due to the sickle cell trait from which he has suffered since he was a child; these are usually a risk at high altitudes. Clark had to have his spleen and gall bladder removed, ending his season. He lost 30 pounds after the removal, but returned to the Steelers in 2008. Although Clark was medically cleared to play in Denver's thin air without any complications, the Steelers took the precautionary measure of deactivating him for the four games played in Denver thereafter during Clark's career with the team—a 2009 Monday Night game, a 2010 preseason game, a 2011 playoff game and the 2012 season opener.
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God drat, what a weird night. I was expecting to be in the post mnf thread hyped about a Burrow vs Allen shootout not dealing with strange, complex emotions over the status of a 24 year old guy who nearly died on a football field. Hope everyone itt is doing alright. That sounds kinda goofy to say since we’re just goons shitposting about football, but yeah. If you feel uncomfortable, upset, angry whatever that’s normal. Feel it. It’s kind of corny or some would say unfortunate but I think it’s really beautiful how people come together and get real when something really difficult to process happens. Even if it feels like poo poo let those feelings run through. my 2 am stoned emotional about football thoughts AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:I'm not going to be able to sleep tonight. Seeing Hamlin go limp and drop like a sack of rocks brought back the vivid memories of my three-day-old, after getting his first exam at the pediatrician, going limp in my arms because being placed on a cold scale in a cold room triggered something. Thank god we were *at* the pediatrician and they brought him back but I'm just so loving.... thousand yard staring right now. drat, dude. I’m glad your son is okay. Sorry you had to go through that. A thing like tonight can really rattle us and bring a lot up we might not want to think about or feel. I don’t think that’s an inherently bad thing, but it is a hard thing.
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medical stuff. I'm sure LeeMajors has hit a bunch of these points cardiac arrest due to blunt trauma is the cause of this. plenty of accurate vids circulating explaining what happened from a cardiac rhythm standpoint assuming he received ACLS on the field. thats compressions, air, AED (shocks if appropriate), and chemicals. to move someone from the field to a higher level of care, you have to achieve return of spontaneous circulation, ROSC. essentially you have to have evidence that the heart is beating on its own. Now that can be a judgement call, and if he's got enough chemicals in him (epi and amio) eventually he'll have SOMETHING a Para/supervising physician can point to and call ROSC. Especially in a situation like this because obviously they're not calling it on the field. and every code i've worked in the ER had the head doc eventually just stopping it and saying the heart wasn't actually doing anything. blood has 6ish minutes of oxygen in it. CPR is just about keeping the blood moving through the arteries. neuro damage kicks in in roughly 2 minutes at a small lvl, 4-6 minutes bad stuff, then after that you start having conversations with family about expectations. they did ACLS for 9 minutes. not only is it not as efficient as the real thing (obviously) but you're not clearing CO2, so you're becoming acidic, and that can causes a whole host of other problems. If you hold your breath, you don't pass out because a lack of oxygen; you pass out because you're not clearing CO2. not sure about specific state laws, but in nc for example to diagnose "brain dead" you have to do a slew of tests, then repeat them in 12 hours, all of this with the understanding of family, then signed off by the entire hospital board. I have assisted in these tests. it's basically going through several reflexes, then decreasing their ventilator support to see if they have any compensatory breathing changes as their CO2 rises prognosis based on what we know and the timeline, it's grim.
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Major league (and probably all forms of) football will not and should not exist within 20 years. There really is just no way to safely play the sport where every single play has impact and trauma by design, and all the safety gear in the world only makes that worse because they'll never stop g-forces and players feeling more protected which counterintuitively makes them destroy their bodies more.
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FizFashizzle posted:medical stuff. I'm sure LeeMajors has hit a bunch of these points
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fartknocker posted:He’s been with ESPN since he retired in 2015, and was often the guy they had with SVP after MNF to talk about the game on SportsCenter, along with their other NFL stuff. It’s kind of a crazy coincidence that he’s arguably the best ex-NFL player in the media to be on hand to talk about a life and death situation like this. Yeah, he's on Get Up! A few days a week to talk about football too, and he always comes off as having very well-thought out and knowledgeable points to make.
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Wolfy posted:whats the difference between something like this and fabrice muamba being relatively okay after his heart stopped for 78 minutes? https://www.procpr.org/blog/training/cpr-length/amp There is no hard time limit for CPR. The world record is 2 hours and 50 minutes. The real bad sign is that he isn’t breathing on his own. That’s usually the last part of the brain to go. But there could be other causes for that besides brain death. Vengarr fucked around with this message at 09:09 on Jan 3, 2023 |
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fwiwquote:Jeff Miller, NFL executive vice president of communications, public affairs & policy, to a question about the future of the game: "There’s nothing in consideration right now. Our concern is for the player and his well-being. At the appropriate time, I’m sure that we’ll have a conversation around the next steps regarding the game."
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Wolfy posted:whats the difference between something like this and fabrice muamba being relatively okay after his heart stopped for 78 minutes? He’s a miracle case. Literally everything went right in Muamba’s situation down to a drat expert cardiologist fan rushing down from the stands to make the ambulance go to his farther, but much better hospital, and even then there was virtually no expectation that the guy would have any sort of quality of life if he lived.
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please be ok. e: spoiler this because while its' not graphic its certainly upsetting . It's not the hit on him but the players reactions as they administer CPR. Never seen anything like it, just collapsing in tears unable to watch. Also explains some of what Buck et al were saying in the booth as they could see this but it was never shown on the TV broadcast. https://twitter.com/jacksettleman/status/1610094128968212481 adaz fucked around with this message at 09:35 on Jan 3, 2023 |
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Bottom Liner posted:Major league (and probably all forms of) football will not and should not exist within 20 years. There really is just no way to safely play the sport where every single play has impact and trauma by design, and all the safety gear in the world only makes that worse because they'll never stop g-forces and players feeling more protected which counterintuitively makes them destroy their bodies more. This isn’t going to have any effect on the longevity of professional football. It was a freak medical occurrence. It’s tragic but basically unrelated to all of the reasons football is bad for people.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:This isn’t going to have any effect on the longevity of professional football. It was a freak medical occurrence. It’s tragic but basically unrelated to all of the reasons football is bad for people. This.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:This isn’t going to have any effect on the longevity of professional football. It was a freak medical occurrence. It’s tragic but basically unrelated to all of the reasons football is bad for people. Yeah as it stands there isn't anything about this the NFL could possibly have done to prevent short of mandatory cardiac mri for all players that get covid? Complete speculation on my part, but if he had covid 6 weeks ago and presumably myocarditis, I could see a high risk of blunt trauma causing a deadly rhythm disturbance cause the conduction chain is all hosed up from the inflammation. I'm feeling pretty good on his likelihood of recovery considering how fast he got proper medical care. Probably won't know much for a couple days as they go through TTM protocol. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Redeye Flight posted:Also, just for reassurance, ABC double-checked with GoFundMe's staff and confirmed that the GoFundMe that everyone's been pouring money into was indeed started by Hamlin. So there's no mistakes or foolery going on there. And it’s at nearly $3.2M. Heartening to see some good in the world right now.
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graph posted:thats gonna make a poo poo ton of difference for a lot of sto-rox kids for real, that neighborhood really really needs this support
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I went to sleep and someone thinks posting Charlie Kirk in this thread is a good idea. I know it’s from a few pages back, but let’s keep bullshit vaccine disinformation, and hot takes from randos on Twitter (including Skip Bayless) out of this thread. We don’t need to get our 2 minutes of hate in here. I don’t exactly flex my little IK muscles very often, but if I see poo poo like that, you’re getting a 6 hour break. Let’s keep this thread more positive and posting actual news.
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Bird in a Blender posted:I went to sleep and someone thinks posting Charlie Kirk in this thread is a good idea. I know it’s from a few pages back, but let’s keep bullshit vaccine disinformation, and hot takes from randos on Twitter (including Skip Bayless) out of this thread. We don’t need to get our 2 minutes of hate in here. Unfortunately, we are going to get A LOT of media laundering this loving reprehensible garbage today.
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FizFashizzle posted:medical stuff. I'm sure LeeMajors has hit a bunch of these points Another point id add here but cardiac arrest is intensely bad for your other organ systems, especially your kidneys—so depending on how long he was in arrest, he can have significant complications in recovery. Manual, or even mechanical, chest compressions are really only effective at perfusing your heart and brain, but very specifically for perfusing your coronary arteries. It’s rudimentary but it works. ACLS rhythms are either “shockable” or not. The sort of R-on-T cardiac arrest we witnessed is most likely shockable ventricular fibrillation or ventricular tachycardia, which has the best chance for rapid reorganization by electricity or “defibrillation.” It’s a good sign they got pulses back on the field but even 5+ min of CPR without defibrillation can cause serious neurological deficits in addition to whatever other medical complications could arise. Luckily it seems like he got really competent care immediately and bystander CPR really saves lives. With his baseline level of health and proximity of resources he has about the best possible opportunity for recovery. But to be a complete realist out of hospital cardiac arrest generally has something like a 0.4% survival rate. Vengarr posted:https://www.procpr.org/blog/training/cpr-length/amp I agree, with the caveat that we tend to paralyze and sedate these folks post-arrest so we can keep the advanced airway in place to optimize ventilations. I’ve had folks wake up immediately and rip their airway out, so we do this aggressively. So yes, a lack of resp effort can be grim and indicate neuro damage but we aren’t going to get information at that level of granularity. Id like to know if his pupils are reactive. LeeMajors fucked around with this message at 13:47 on Jan 3, 2023 |
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Asproigerosis posted:Unfortunately, we are going to get A LOT of media laundering this loving reprehensible garbage today. Possibly, but even more reason to keep it out of here.
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