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Irony Be My Shield posted:People keep saying this and then TCG players usually lose to the OCG players who are supposedly handicapping themselves at worlds. They play decks that don't hard lose to Maxx C because that stops them from losing to Maxx C Isn't worlds even more different and weird though, from having to combine two formats with different card pools and banlists like that Anyway, I'm not saying they're handicapping themselves. Not playing decks that lose to Maxx C is smart. If anything, TCG players are handicapping themselves in MD by being so focused on the combo that one little buggy boy makes them flip the table. Konami US has allowed for that behaviour by banning Maxx C for them Dabir fucked around with this message at 15:21 on Dec 30, 2022 |
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Charles Bukowski posted:MD has become everything for many of us, who can afford cardboard or covid at an event? 3rd best deck in the meta, Floowandereeze, still very cheap. Become what you must.
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# ? Dec 30, 2022 16:21 |
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:3rd best deck in the meta, Floowandereeze, still very cheap. this
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# ? Dec 30, 2022 16:23 |
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Dabir posted:Isn't worlds even more different and weird though, from having to combine two formats with different card pools and banlists like that Maxx C isn't some fair card that people just make a big stink about it because they're babies, lol. For decks that special summon (that is, 99% of them because the entire game revolves around monsters) the card may as well read "(Quick Effect): Discard this card; End your opponent's turn." It's an obscenely powerful handtrap whose only counterplay is to either hard draw a couple extremely specific cards (1 of which is limited in the TCG, semi-limited in the OCG) or to just stop playing your turn and hope you don't die because you couldn't do anything. Well, that or ignore it and let them draw 6 cards and then DEFINITELY die.
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# ? Dec 30, 2022 16:23 |
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Hizke posted:this Tri B and pure lyrilusc are also pretty cheap. Been playing those at the locals I manage yo make it to.
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Tri B and pure lyrilusc are also pretty cheap. Been playing those at the locals I manage yo make it to. Hell yeah. It's basically full powered again.
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Hizke posted:Hell yeah. It's basically full powered again. The only expensive cards in lyrilusc are UFD and Zeus but I mean....if you ever run a deck with xyz Zeus is a worthwhile investment at like 10 bucks. UFD is hells of expensive though but you can get by with some substitution. Or running some trib is lyrilusc.
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:The only expensive cards in lyrilusc are UFD and Zeus but I mean....if you ever run a deck with xyz Zeus is a worthwhile investment at like 10 bucks. UFD is hells of expensive though but you can get by with some substitution. Or running some trib is lyrilusc. UFD actually just got the reprint in Crystal Revenge so it's like 5 bucks now, so now Zeus may be the only expensive card.
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Syenite posted:Maxx C isn't some fair card that people just make a big stink about it because they're babies, lol. For decks that special summon (that is, 99% of them because the entire game revolves around monsters) the card may as well read "(Quick Effect): Discard this card; End your opponent's turn." It's an obscenely powerful handtrap whose only counterplay is to either hard draw a couple extremely specific cards (1 of which is limited in the TCG, semi-limited in the OCG) or to just stop playing your turn and hope you don't die because you couldn't do anything. Well, that or ignore it and let them draw 6 cards and then DEFINITELY die. Strange, I don't remember saying anything of those things you think I said. You're being very persuasive that you're not a giant baby though, good job
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# ? Dec 30, 2022 17:11 |
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Hizke posted:UFD actually just got the reprint in Crystal Revenge so it's like 5 bucks now, so now Zeus may be the only expensive card. I gotta got to tcg player real quick
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# ? Dec 30, 2022 17:25 |
Just wondering, is there an archetype name for Ash Blossom and the similar “discard to negate opponent’s activated effect” cards (I.E. Snow, the one that negates a graveyard to field effect)? Just asking because it always seemed kinda random to me that she’s also a Tuner.
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Regalingualius posted:Just wondering, is there an archetype name for Ash Blossom and the similar “discard to negate opponent’s activated effect” cards (I.E. Snow, the one that negates a graveyard to field effect)? Just asking because it always seemed kinda random to me that she’s also a Tuner. It's a sort of pseudo-archetype called Yokai Girls, level 3 tuner handtraps Ash, Ghost Belle, Ghost Ogre, etc. You're thinking of Ghost Belle & Haunted Mansion, Fairy Tail Snow is the busted gy banish to summon/book of moon infinitely card. https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Yo-kai_Girl also look at this rad as hell alt-art ghost ogre Syenite fucked around with this message at 18:03 on Dec 30, 2022 |
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Regalingualius posted:Just wondering, is there an archetype name for Ash Blossom and the similar “discard to negate opponent’s activated effect” cards (I.E. Snow, the one that negates a graveyard to field effect)? Just asking because it always seemed kinda random to me that she’s also a Tuner. People call them hand traps, and they include cards that aren't strictly negates (D.D. Crow being a strong example of a hand trap that doesn't technically negate). Ash Blossom is also part of a series of zombie tuner hand traps that are Ghost Girls.
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Yeah there's one of each attribute. Weirdly Ghost Ogre is a psychic and can also be sent from field so it works with Emergency Teleport
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King of Solomon posted:People call them hand traps, and they include cards that aren't strictly negates (D.D. Crow being a strong example of a hand trap that doesn't technically negate). Ash Blossom is also part of a series of zombie tuner hand traps that are Ghost Girls. Oh, yeah, I already knew about hand traps in general, I was just wondering if the Yokai Girls were explicitly intended to also be part of some archetype of Synchros that I’d just never ran into, since I’ve sometimes seen Swordsoul use Ash as a clutch tuner for Fleur.
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Ok, I understand the theory behind this Nephthys Majespecter solo deck, but it really doesn't work at all does it. The pure Nephthys deck from earlier felt like it was missing some important part of things, and this one still feels that way but also replaces half your draws with ones from a different deck. And it's up against Fire King Nepthys, which really really does work well together.
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# ? Dec 31, 2022 01:51 |
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Hard to tell if its maliciousness or just contempt
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Regalingualius posted:Oh, yeah, I already knew about hand traps in general, I was just wondering if the Yokai Girls were explicitly intended to also be part of some archetype of Synchros that I’d just never ran into, since I’ve sometimes seen Swordsoul use Ash as a clutch tuner for Fleur. Ghost ogres just a little weird, i think they didnt have the themeing down at that point, and ash is where they figured out what they wanted to do.
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# ? Dec 31, 2022 11:25 |
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these solo mode Jaden decks are SO BAD did just force a draw with a 13,700 damage Final Fusion against zane though
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Dabir posted:these solo mode Jaden decks are SO BAD At least in this case it's intentional since they're mirroring the anime duels. They're all basically "Elemental Hero Sunrise" Turbo in order to win.
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Speaking of Final Fusion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djRx_7LFgYo
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Julias posted:At least in this case it's intentional since they're mirroring the anime duels. They're all basically "Elemental Hero Sunrise" Turbo in order to win. JADEN'S deck mirrors the anime. zane's deck mirrors a loving full power 2022 cyber dragon deck
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# ? Jan 1, 2023 02:27 |
So why is Called semi-limited while Maxx C is unlimited in MD? Considering Maxx C is essentially “have the out or die” incarnate.
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Regalingualius posted:So why is Called semi-limited while Maxx C is unlimited in MD? Considering Maxx C is essentially “have the out or die” incarnate. Because it answers any hand trap, it's basically the ultimate counter, and is good going first or second. Plus it has lots of utility in just being able to banish cards out of your opponent's graveyard or being able to negate key monster effects if there's already a copy in the grave. God I wish it was at 3.
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Regalingualius posted:So why is Called semi-limited while Maxx C is unlimited in MD? Considering Maxx C is essentially “have the out or die” incarnate. My guess: because Called By eats EVERY hand trap. It's not just the out for Maxx C, but also Ash Blossom, Ghost Belle, Droll, Effect Veiler, and maybe even some real monsters if you're clever enough. Also it's likely balanced more around the Japanese playerbase, and the Japanese playerbase is just much better at playing around Maxx C to the point where it's not an instant win. The western playerbase complains a lot about Maxx C, but they also never actually try not being a huge target for it.
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Cleretic posted:never actually try not being a huge target for it. Nobody's not a big target for maxx C outside of specific exceptions like Floo. Your opponent only has to let you get 2 draws and you're already at a big advantage. VW was a much bigger threat in the OCG because of that 1/3 chance of maxx c being enough to let them draw themselves out of their many brick hands. Rigged Death Trap fucked around with this message at 14:12 on Jan 3, 2023 |
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Cleretic posted:Also it's likely balanced more around the Japanese playerbase, and the Japanese playerbase is just much better at playing around Maxx C to the point where it's not an instant win. The western playerbase complains a lot about Maxx C, but they also never actually try not being a huge target for it. I don't get this kind of post. How exactly do you "play around" Maxx C and why is the Japanese Playerbase () supposedly so good at countering a card that punishes any amount of special summoning? You can play around Nibiru by getting a monster negate up as a 5th summon, you can't exactly counteract "every time I special summon anything this turn they draw for free" except by just not playing the game because special summoning is THE integral mechanic of the entire game as it stands right now. Syenite fucked around with this message at 14:22 on Jan 3, 2023 |
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Cleretic posted:the Japanese playerbase is just much better at playing around Maxx C to the point where it's not an instant win. How in the hell do you "play around" Maxx-C that isn't: - end your turn and hope your opponent doesn't have the 1-card starter that can OTK you next turn - play through it and hope your opponent's deck is so garbage they can't beat your board on the next turn even with a 20-card hand - play Danger! Darkworld and deck your opponent out with Card Destruction
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Well you see Japan hasn't banned it, so clearly there is no problem with the card
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You play a deck that can achieve a reasonable endboard without too many summons. An obvious example would be Master Duel's current best deck in Despia, which only needs to special twice to set up Mirrorjade + Branded in Red.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:You play a deck that can achieve a reasonable endboard without too many summons. An obvious example would be Master Duel's current best deck in Despia, which only needs to special twice to set up Mirrorjade + Branded in Red. Two summons is Pot of Greed, which is banned in OCG as well as TCG.
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# ? Jan 3, 2023 15:43 |
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Yeah, it's a good effect for sure. But it doesn't win you the game on its own. It's not like opening Pot of Extravagance going second guarantees you're going to win.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:You play a deck that can achieve a reasonable endboard without too many summons. An obvious example would be Master Duel's current best deck in Despia, which only needs to special twice to set up Mirrorjade + Branded in Red. And while nowhere near as strong in other respects (they really don't play well against something like Swordsoul), I found some pretty good Maxx C-fizzling success with Unchained, who could pretty naturally veer sideways from an on-my-turn link climb to a plan B built around taking control of my opponent's next turn. Of course Runick barely summons at all, and as mentioned, Floo is basically cheating. Then there's the Mayakashi Bone Tower strategy where you actually hope they Maxx C so it helps the mill, but I admit that's not exactly meta and has a chance of backfiring even if it is very funny.
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If Nyaa fucked around with this message at 19:49 on Jan 3, 2023 |
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Nyaa posted:If the new Time-Rending card ever caught on and everyone plays it, then hand trap meta will change. People will still pack maxx c though. Nah, that card is not good. You lose out on ALL monster-in-hand effects permanently which is every handtrap except imperm and also engine stuff. For the cost of that, you get extra draws which don't start until your NEXT turn, and another normal, which most decks don't actually need. It COULD be good in a lower power format for normal-focused decks, because there are fewer legal handtraps that you'd be giving up, so the drawback is less crippling, and the games last longer so you get more value.
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There are formats where hand traps are less useful. There are decks that don't play hand traps
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Realistically it has to be a deck that: - doesn't care about hand traps - doesn't mind playing a card that is just Double Summon the turn you play it - wants to play a longer game lasting at minimum 5 turns It's possible such a deck is out there, but it's a niche card.
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Charles Bukowski posted:There are formats where hand traps are less useful. There are decks that don't play hand traps Yes, I already mentioned lower-power formats, and even in the current tear format where you have a deck that can play through anything, you still really, really want D Shifter. And decks that don't play handtraps would certainly prefer to draw a Lightning Storm or Evenly Matched than a card that is basically just Double Summon that turn.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Realistically it has to be a deck that: Edit: misread Nyaa fucked around with this message at 19:43 on Jan 3, 2023 |
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TaurusOxford posted:How in the hell do you "play around" Maxx-C that isn't: Take the Maxx C challenge like a real man and OTK or bust
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