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Seth Pecksniff posted:Something like 23 points to Dave Brat? It was insane. I also remember his pollster telling everyone cantor was 60 points ahead The seat then went handily to a Democrat in 2014, an otherwise massive wave year for the Republicans purely because Bart was so loving crazy and Cantor actually was the stronger general election candidate in hindsight. Oops.
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If Jeffries gets the majority of votes today why doesn't he become speaker?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU4Hw-xbBNo Pouring one out for our dear K-Mack.
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Jan 3, 2023 19:41
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nine-gear crow posted:McCarthy has said that he will keep everyone there until he wins, so this is going to be the rest of today, maybe tomorrow, maybe the next few months. It's a matter of how long Noted Incredibly Stubborn Idiot Kevin McCarthy can withstand being humiliated for, and so far history's answer to that has been "A long time." How the fucks he going to do that. He’s not speaker and there’s no house rules except majority wins.
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Charliegrs posted:If Jeffries gets the majority of votes today why doesn't he become speaker? Majority of votes is 218. Having the most votes is a plurality
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Charliegrs posted:If Jeffries gets the majority of votes today why doesn't he become speaker? If he got an outright majority, he would become speaker. If he gets more votes than any other candidate but fewer than 50% of the house, that's just a plurality and doesn't count. This is what would happen if every Democrat votes for Jefferies and the Republicans vote for some combination of McCarthy, Biggs, Trump, and gently caress The Libs He won't get an outright majority because there aren't enough Democrats and no Republicans are desperate enough to vote for him (yet)
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Charliegrs posted:If Jeffries gets the majority of votes today why doesn't he become speaker? He'll likely get a plurality (largest single candidate), but not a majority of total votes
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Charliegrs posted:If Jeffries gets the majority of votes today why doesn't he become speaker? It'd a majority of the whole House, not just a majority Also I assume if a dem somehow became speaker today the Rules package would stay the same as the 117th which gutted the motion to vacate
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:How the fucks he going to do that. He’s not speaker and there’s no house rules except majority wins. He is not a smart man, okay?
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Mizaq posted:What would actually happen if Jeffries won today? How long could he suppress another vote for speaker? Most likely he couldn't, if the GOP aligned on removing him. It would be fun for a little bit though.
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Ended up with 19 non-McCarthy votes from Republicans https://twitter.com/gelliottmorris/status/1610346548767989763?s=20 https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1610346507701477376 Piell fucked around with this message at 19:49 on Jan 3, 2023 |
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Jaxyon posted:Most likely he couldn't, if the GOP aligned on removing him. It would be fun for a little bit though. And it would be a shitshow to do anything, why would the Democrats want any part of it when this clown show is so demonstrably one entirely composed of Republicans?
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Unofficial vote: https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1610346507701477376?t=0c-0B_JwOhU_xv00oEkPDQ&s=19
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Kull the Conqueror posted:Cantor lost humiliatingly in the 2014 GOP primary as a sitting majority leader. The best part of that was when some Brat's followers thought that meant he would get the majority leader position, like it came with that seat or something.
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https://twitter.com/jakesherman/status/1610347082509950979 Also saw rumors on twitter that some Reps held back their vote the first round so McCarthy will have LESS support in later rounds but the account doesn't seem credible. We shall see.
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Youth Decay posted:https://twitter.com/jakesherman/status/1610347082509950979 Whipping his supporters nets McCarthy six which is still nine less than he needs so like... Will they even listen to Jordan?
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The US congress is more removed from it then actual parliamentary systems but with any legislative body the power of speaker/majority leader/prime minister comes from the fact that they command the loyalty of a majority of the members. All the powers that they might have are really just extensions of that loyalty and if you don’t have a majority either outright or based on horse trading you don’t really have any power.
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Seth Pecksniff posted:Whipping his supporters nets McCarthy six which is still nine less than he needs so like... Will they even listen to Jordan? At least some of the Biggs guys didn't sound like they could be moved.
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:The US congress is more removed from it then actual parliamentary systems but with any legislative body the power of speaker/majority leader/prime minister comes from the fact that they command the loyalty of a majority of the members. All the powers that they might have are really just extensions of that loyalty and if you don’t have a majority either outright or based on horse trading you don’t really have any power. it does have the same paradoxical situation where in a very close result the power can actually flow to the far wings of the house because they need to be relied on for support a few states actually have something called a "jackpot system" where a party which gets a majority gets a certain number of at-large seats to add to their total in order to maintain stability of government
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Seth Pecksniff posted:Whipping his supporters nets McCarthy six which is still nine less than he needs so like... Will they even listen to Jordan? Can't imagine if they vote again right away it would change the outcome (barring this all being some elaborately well coordinated kayfabe cunningly disguised as actual chaos), McCarthy would be gambling that he could at least improve his position on a revote, if he loses votes it would be catastrophic for his prospects.
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Charliegrs posted:If Jeffries gets the majority of votes today why doesn't he become speaker? Everyone would realise that he was accidentally voted speaker and the Republicans would redo the vote. The speaker can be changed
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The rebels have stated they have someone in mind for the second ballot, so I'd be interested in seeing who that is and if they'll either be nominated or just called out on the floor
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DynamicSloth posted:Can't imagine if they vote again right away it would change the outcome (barring this all being some elaborately well coordinated kayfabe cunningly disguised as actual chaos), McCarthy would be gambling that he could at least improve his position on a revote, if he loses votes it would be catastrophic for his prospects. There's nothing to gain from faking chaos, they just look foolish right now.
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Jeffries technically becoming speaker would be comedic but practically wouldn't matter because you can't lead the house if you don't control a majority of its members
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The Jordan supporters all changed their vote to McCarthy. He's now at 212.
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How good would it be if Trump actually wanted to be speaker
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Youth Decay posted:There's nothing to gain from faking chaos, they just look foolish right now. Nah their only purpose is posting/owning the libs and in this case mccarthy has shown support for Ukriane and thus lib.
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Harlock posted:The Jordan supporters all changed their vote to McCarthy. Where'd you see this? Not doubting you but I haven't seen anything yet
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Seth Pecksniff posted:The rebels have stated they have someone in mind for the second ballot, so I'd be interested in seeing who that is and if they'll either be nominated or just called out on the floor Bah gawd, it's Stone Cold!
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Harlock posted:The Jordan supporters all changed their vote to McCarthy. source plz
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Youth Decay posted:There's nothing to gain from faking chaos, they just look foolish right now. No of course, it just also wouldn't make any sense for McCarthy to suddenly win the vote, which he didn't. This chaos is very real.
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Seth Pecksniff posted:Where'd you see this? Not doubting you but I haven't seen anything yet CSPAN changed their vote ticker which deleted Jordan and gave all the votes to McCarthy. I assume it's happening before this first round is officially official
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Seth Pecksniff posted:The rebels have stated they have someone in mind for the second ballot, so I'd be interested in seeing who that is and if they'll either be nominated or just called out on the floor 
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Harlock posted:CSPAN changed their vote ticker which deleted Jordan and gave all the votes to McCarthy. I assume it's happening before this first round is officially official They did? I'm not sure if there's a mechanism for changing your vote in the Speaker's vote like there is in legislation. It's still showing 203-212-10-9 for me.
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Harlock posted:CSPAN changed their vote ticker which deleted Jordan and gave all the votes to McCarthy. I assume it's happening before this first round is officially official 
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Seth Pecksniff posted:The rebels have stated they have someone in mind for the second ballot, so I'd be interested in seeing who that is and if they'll either be nominated or just called out on the floor please be Trump
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So is KMac just going to try to win by attrition basically? Just keep redoing the votes until everyone gets so tired and just let's him win so they can go home?
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