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Seth Pecksniff posted:I don't believe this. I think there's some sort of game of "I'll say you went rogue if you nominate me" sort of thing Agreed, this is definitely a calculated process to try to make him look like a neutral compromise candidate
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Rigel posted:CNN is now speculating that Jordan will be "the guy" in the next ballot, but he will fall short too, and then comedically it'll take a 4th ballot before we maybe learn who the consensus endgame candidate might possibly be. If they aren't going to budge on two ballots I don't see why they would on four.
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Seth Pecksniff posted:I wonder how many of the Main Street Republicans would vote for Jordan though. I can't see them liking him after what he's done his entire career. Scalise would probably be the more palatable choice I don't think Scalise has the balls to run.
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if the problem solvers caucus can't solve this problem they should all resign in dishonor
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The next speaker is just going to be some rando towards the end that they all begrudgingly agree on because they want to go home
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As usual Matt Fuller is the best follow for house mechanical news, and many other things: https://twitter.com/MEPFuller/status/1610362743965589505
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Feels Villeneuve posted:if the problem solvers caucus can't solve this problem they should all resign in dishonor The Problem Solvers caucus will fix this by uniting around Josh Gottenheimer as Speaker and whoever the Republican co-chair is as Vice Speaker, a new position
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it does make me wonder if a replacement candidate might actually be too unpalatable for the moderates to support, or if they'd go along with someone like Jordan because they don't want "chaos"
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Youth Decay posted:Gaetz really did go rogue here Gym Jordan, famous for recognizing and pointing out when people on his team are doing questionable things.
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Feels Villeneuve posted:it does make me wonder if a replacement candidate might actually be too unpalatable for the moderates to support, or if they'd go along with someone like Jordan because they don't want "chaos" I mean this poo poo makes all of them look bad except for the freedom caucus, so yeah probably. Maybe they demand some one not in the freedom caucus as a concession so not Jim Jordan.
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This is amazing. We USUALLY know what all of the possibilities are. Like, maybe Trump is president or Hillary is president, or maybe Trump is president or maybe Biden is president, or maybe Schumer is Senate majority leader or maybe the turtle is Senate majority leader, or maybe Pelosi is speaker or McCarthy is speaker. Right now, the actual, likely, probable speaker of the house in 2023 will be, no kidding, actually a mystery candidate who we are as of right now not even thinking about. Some random faceless dude we aren't even thinking about right now is probably going to be speaker of the US house of representatives lol.
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TGLT posted:I mean this poo poo makes all of them look bad except of the freedom caucus, so yeah probably. Maybe they demand some one not in the freedom caucus as a concession so not Jim Jordan. if i had to guess they'd vote "present" or some poo poo like that, that sounds about right for centrist Republicans
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We've already matched the total defections from the first round at 19, so it'll be interesting to see if McCarthy lost any votes or if its the same stalemate My money is still on Scalise after all of the dust settles
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Feels Villeneuve posted:if i had to guess they'd vote "present" or some poo poo like that, that sounds about right for centrist Republicans If 19 Republicans vote present, doesn't Jeffries win?
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Seth Pecksniff posted:I don't believe this. I think there's some sort of game of "I'll say you went rogue if you nominate me" sort of thing Jordan has been publicly backing McCarthy for awhile now, I'm sure he'd love to be Speaker but he's got nowhere near enough Caucus support so he will back the party line to keep his Judiciary seat until this process is over.
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haveblue posted:If 19 Republicans vote present, doesn't Jeffries win? I mean in a case where McCarthy drops out and people coalesce around a FC guy who the moderate people might not want to publicly support
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The Glumslinger posted:Agreed, this is definitely a calculated process to try to make him look like a neutral compromise candidate "I thrice presented him a kingly crown. Which he did thrice refuse. Was this ambition?"
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Rigel posted:This is amazing. Speaker Gus Bilirakis of Florida has a nice ring to it
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Rigel posted:This is amazing. I've heard a lot of good things about Santos. Not a lot of people can bounce back from their mom dying 3 different times in 4 different ways.
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Gyges posted:I've heard a lot of good things about Santos. Not a lot of people can bounce back from their mom dying 3 different times in 4 different ways. I don't think he'd want to be Speaker again
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So basically neither side is showing any sign of budging. Now things are gonna start getting interesting.
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Gyges posted:I've heard a lot of good things about Santos. Not a lot of people can bounce back from their mom dying 3 different times in 4 different ways. isn't he Ukrainian, not sure the freedom caucus could support that
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:https://twitter.com/MikeShor/status/1610330631166115840 it's very good
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So, we know the last time Speaker of the House went to a second ballot, it was 1923, and it was more common in the 1800s. What're the stats for third ballots? Fourth? How far do we have to go to reach uncharted waters?
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2nd ballot finishing up now, we are almost officially at electing no one for the 2nd ballot
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The Lord of Hats posted:So, we know the last time Speaker of the House went to a second ballot, it was 1923, and it was more common in the 1800s. the record is 133.
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So what happens if they just don’t budge at all? Do we just deal with this same vote for two years or is there some kind of failsafe built in here?
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Feels Villeneuve posted:the record is 133. Well, guess we'd better strap in for the long haul 
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The Lord of Hats posted:So, we know the last time Speaker of the House went to a second ballot, it was 1923, and it was more common in the 1800s. https://history.house.gov/People/Office/Speakers-Multiple-Ballots/ Dr. VooDoo posted:So what happens if they just don’t budge at all? Do we just deal with this same vote for two years or is there some kind of failsafe built in here? No failsafes, picking a Speaker must be done before the House can do anything else
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Seth Pecksniff posted:So basically neither side is showing any sign of budging. Now things are gonna start getting interesting. GOP is so good at obstructing they have obstructed themselves
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The Lord of Hats posted:So, we know the last time Speaker of the House went to a second ballot, it was 1923, and it was more common in the 1800s. It went 9 ballots in 1923.
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Dr. VooDoo posted:So what happens if they just don’t budge at all? Do we just deal with this same vote for two years or is there some kind of failsafe built in here? There's no failsafe. The House cannot function without a speaker and rules in place. The voting will continue until morale improves (or someone reaches 218)
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Dr. VooDoo posted:So what happens if they just don’t budge at all? Do we just deal with this same vote for two years or is there some kind of failsafe built in here? There is no failsafe. It keeps going until someone gets enough votes, even if it takes months.
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also lol The Washington Post posted:[Dan] Crenshaw questioned Cloud, who voted for Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) to be speaker, on what other concessions McCarthy could make now to win over opponents. Crenshaw then asked Cloud why Freedom Caucus members were considered more conservative than him. “What about them is more conservative?” a frustrated Crenshaw asked Cloud. poor dude
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It's gonna be Jordan, "moderate" republicans are gonna hem and haw and then reluctantly vote with the fascists as moderates have done throughout recorded electoral history.
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Dr. VooDoo posted:So what happens if they just don’t budge at all? Do we just deal with this same vote for two years or is there some kind of failsafe built in here? There is no failsafe. Eventually pressure is going to start to mount from crises that are not being addressed, not the least of which is that House staff cannot be paid until there is a speaker/rules package. Kind of like a government shutdown, eventually the least far-gone people will get tired of the country fraying and sign onto a compromise they were previously opposed to, which probably means Speaker McCarthy. Again, eventually.
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Dr. VooDoo posted:So what happens if they just don’t budge at all? Do we just deal with this same vote for two years or is there some kind of failsafe built in here? Eventually some of the older R's fall asleep, Dems drag them out of the chamber and elect Jeffries
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