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ROFL Octopus posted:Well that and Akechi being a villain is misdirection for the fact that the real twist is that everyone knows he’s the villain and is ready to clown on him. It's ironic that Akechi put all his energies into selling his made up personality only for Joker and Shido - the two people who he absolutely needed to buy into it for his plan to succeed - to see through it immediately unbeknownst to him. Like even in the bad end where Akechi's plan goes off without a hitch and Joker dies, Shido (presumably) has him quietly assassinated after his election before Akechi can even spring his planned trap.
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Getting pretty frustrated with the Okumura fight. My party members aren't really able to keep these baton passes going and I'm missing some of the buff removal skills that would make the fight easier. Specifically wave 5 just feels impossible right now. My save is in the dungeon after sending the calling card so it's not like I can go do the confessional that I only just found out about to get skills I dropped or go buy more items. It wouldn't be so bad if reloading the save didn't mean having to run all the way to the boss fight again and skipping all the dialogue every time. Actually that reminds me, if I choose to reload a fight do I get the items back I used or do I have to quit and reload to get that stuff back? I've always assumed the latter to be safe but it'd be good to know if I didn't have to.
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explosivo posted:Getting pretty frustrated with the Okumura fight. My party members aren't really able to keep these baton passes going and I'm missing some of the buff removal skills that would make the fight easier. Specifically wave 5 just feels impossible right now. My save is in the dungeon after sending the calling card so it's not like I can go do the confessional that I only just found out about to get skills I dropped or go buy more items. It wouldn't be so bad if reloading the save didn't mean having to run all the way to the boss fight again and skipping all the dialogue every time. Switch to Merciless
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Gaius Marius posted:Switch to Merciless Oh I didn't know that I could on the fly like that. I've read about merciless, I'll give that a try!
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If you have any psy or curse items on hand, use those as well. if you can get to baton pass level 3 with Haru (or Joker if Joker has mass Curse or Psy damage) through Item use by the other party members, you should be good to go.
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RenegadeStyle1 posted:He's a cop. Fair point; yeah, that's on me.
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ROFL Octopus posted:Well that and Akechi being a villain is misdirection for the fact that the real twist is that everyone knows he’s the villain and is ready to clown on him. This. Although I still think Royal made a mistake making him show his true colors to Joker during his Confidant scenes. Feels more natural in the base game.
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Given the many changes of plan that occurred during developments, I wonder how much Akechi's characterization evolved too. Even compared to the rest of the story his great plan feels weirdly tacked on - almost like he was supposed to be a more straightforward hitman before they hastily decided to come up with something more complex.
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there's cut content that suggests that at some point akechi had his own palace - as in a full dungeon and everything. i imagine a lot of what went down there had to be crammed into a couple of cutscenes.
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Arist posted:It's answered pretty definitively by the game itself. They're sending Akechi to Sae's Palace, which they intentionally never collapsed. Futaba didn't have to stipulate a destination because hacking plus Meta-Nav. Also, they know there's a Metaverse Joker in the interrogation room because they know Sae just saw the real Joker there, which created him. The hacking stuff actually kind of makes sense here imo. Futaba mentions that she's unable to compromise the magical phone app, but there's nothing stopping her from making a program to click buttons in the metaverse app. They also already had established earlier that once a palace is identified a navigation bookmark gets saved that they can just click, so shockingly it actually does all check out 
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anakha posted:If you have any psy or curse items on hand, use those as well. if you can get to baton pass level 3 with Haru (or Joker if Joker has mass Curse or Psy damage) through Item use by the other party members, you should be good to go. I think you can also electric chair some low level persona to get psy rings, so your non MC/Haru characters can consistently set up the baton pass. Makato learns -buffs too.
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Petiso posted:This. I disagree - developing the personal rivalry with Joker is central to Akechi's characterization in Royal and is one of the cornerstones of Third Semester. In comparison, the rank-up events in Vanilla lack that slow reveal of Akechi's inner motivations and that ends up making him a more two-dimensional figure. And as mentioned earlier, most players paying a little attention would have already been suspicious of Akechi from June onwards. His Rank 8 event seems like it's spoiling the surprise if you look at it on the surface level, but if you already suspect him from before, the event becomes more of a first look into his real personality, which is then presented in full force by Third Sem.
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Okay I switched around my party and changed the difficulty to Merciless and was able to beat the 5th wave but still flamed out trying to take out the big guy with no weaknesses. I can make some improvements w/r/t who is switched out for that phase of the fight so I'm more confident that another attempt I might be able to beat him. That said, I also realized that when failing a fight there's an option to revert to the previous day so I'm not quite as locked in as I initially thought if I did decide to back out and come back in a bit more prepped.
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anakha posted:I disagree - developing the personal rivalry with Joker is central to Akechi's characterization in Royal and is one of the cornerstones of Third Semester. In comparison, the rank-up events in Vanilla lack that slow reveal of Akechi's inner motivations and that ends up making him a more two-dimensional figure. I 100% agree with this. Base game Akechi I hated but even before the 3rd semester the new confidant was doing a lot to make me like him as a character and everything around the duel sealed the deal.
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Hunt11 posted:I 100% agree with this. Base game Akechi I hated but even before the 3rd semester the new confidant was doing a lot to make me like him as a character and everything around the duel sealed the deal. More major P5 spoiler discussion: As a first time player, I thought he was just being set up--poorly--as a foil to Joker who might turn out to be a non-metaverse threat into maybe a metaverse threat. I didn't have any interest in him as any role until I got him to level 8--at which point I literally thought, "Wow, he might actually make for an interesting villain." That ironically threw the suspicion off of him for me--"nah, he wouldn't clearly show his hand like this."
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I got through the first dungeon and thought the boss battle theme was a jam so I looked it up on Youtube and the first result cover image was Akechi looking evil so I knew he was a villain even before he showed up in-game.
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Smiling Knight posted:I think you can also electric chair some low level persona to get psy rings, so your non MC/Haru characters can consistently set up the baton pass. You want to itemize Kodama for Psi. You should have the other two rings you need; the Atom/Frei Ring you should have picked up on your first go into Madarame's palace and is almost necessary on Merciless. And I'm the Breeze/Garu ring was somewhere in the first palace.
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explosivo posted:Okay I switched around my party and changed the difficulty to Merciless and was able to beat the 5th wave but still flamed out trying to take out the big guy with no weaknesses. I can make some improvements w/r/t who is switched out for that phase of the fight so I'm more confident that another attempt I might be able to beat him. That said, I also realized that when failing a fight there's an option to revert to the previous day so I'm not quite as locked in as I initially thought if I did decide to back out and come back in a bit more prepped. I don't remember the fight super well but I had a ton of issues with this boss. I remember using items to keep my handoffs going though.
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I did it   This is how close I came to losing to the self destructing Harubot: 
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Bar none the hardest fight in the main game.
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:And was the big "twist" really that obvious to everyone else? I genuinely did not see it coming until his really convenient story at the start of Sae's palace and also breaking out the Hubert voice and admitting to having been a metaverse user for years in his rank 8 confidant. I really thought he was just a Pleasant Boy... I think it's pretty predictable with the new S-link content, particularly in the later S-links, since he's obviously being positioned as some sort of rival character. I totally didn't realize it myself when playing vanilla P5, though (even if in hindsight there weren't really any other plausible options). I think it's really funny how the game makes a token effort to get you to suspect Makoto. Like it realized that it had to add some sort of misdirection, so added these suspicious-sounding comments from her.
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RenegadeStyle1 posted:Bar none the hardest fight in the main game. It is the only non-optional boss fight in the entire game that actually requires you demonstrate mastery of the baton pass system, which is really bizarre given it's just kinda in the middle of the game and then goes away again forever.
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Picked up Strikers during the winter sale and I must say Sophie is a treasure.
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mmkay posted:Picked up Strikers during the winter sale and I must say Sophie is a treasure. Sophie is awesome. The music is banging. I love that can play as Haru swinging an axe around in a tornado of death. What a great game.
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Sophie is so good it's almost unfair to all the other characters.
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Both of the new party members in Strikers are fantastic. They're also way better integrated into the game than the new party member is into Royal, who gets shoved off into the very tail end of the game presumably because if she wasn't they'd have to redo the anime cutscenes to include her.
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Picked up Royal off the Steam sale. Only played vanilla on PS3, and I remember how much I love this game. I've heard people talk up Royal forever, so I'm interested in some of the minor changes that don't get talked up much. Stuff like Confidants having an extra phone call on the end so you can get some bonus points, or exploding shadows, or how recruiting a shadow you already have gives that persona bonus EXP. There's a bunch of neat stuff like that.
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Sydin posted:Both of the new party members in Strikers are fantastic. They're also way better integrated into the game than the new party member is into Royal, who gets shoved off into the very tail end of the game presumably because if she wasn't they'd have to redo the anime cutscenes to include her. The “add a new character to Tales of Vesperia” method where Patty conveniently has to go do something just off-camera any time a cutscene is about to happen isn’t that great of an alternative, but it at least allows the character to be playable earlier. Edit: Patty is a shortie pirate kid, so it would have been funnier if “off-camera” meant she was still there in the scene, but the camera was pointed above her head. Boogaloo Shrimp fucked around with this message at 23:28 on Jan 1, 2023 |
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mmkay posted:Picked up Strikers during the winter sale and I must say Sophie is a treasure. In the Japanese dub she uses the various regional dialects when you're using the shop in those areas.
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The two new party members in Strikers are so good, and for even as great as the returning P5 cast is written in Strikers, the newcomers a step above, showcasing a deal more complexity and maturity in their characterizations and awakenings. The english dub cast absolutely kills it, too, and EMMA's voice actress, Susan Bennett who you might better know as the voice of Apple's Siri, is particularly inspired casting.
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Ytlaya posted:In the Japanese dub she uses the various regional dialects when you're using the shop in those areas.
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I don’t have the [guts] to check, but in my heart I believe that every single instance of “Okay, I've got it!” is a unique recording. E: Also it's not like anyone doesn't see it coming, but it's technically a spoiler that Strikers has two new party members. Which I'm mostly just putting here so I can nest the bigger spoiler, which is that there's two persona awakenings. That one I wasn't expecting and I would have been sad to have been spoiled on that! Zulily Zoetrope fucked around with this message at 03:50 on Jan 2, 2023 |
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Picked up Strikers after spending the past month finishing Royal. Musou combat is not my bag at all, everything's so busy and I have no idea what's going on in any fight so I guess I'll play on easy mode and just enjoy the plot. I'm interested in the fact the first palace ruler is able to pull people's shadows into her palace to absorb their desires, since the guys you had to get recommendations for progressing in Shido's palace were actual shadows and not cognitions as well so I'm curious if there's a link with his cognitive psience division that could still be running around even after he confessed to all his crimes.
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Strikers is the most competently-designed Musou-like I have played; you actually have to pay attention to what you're doing and use all the tools available to you and can't get by with just button-mashing and spamming big attacks. yeah i turned that sucker down to easy and just stayed for the plot, worth it I think the guys in Shido's palace were cognitions fused with generic shadows as an anti-Phantom-Thief measure, not the actual shadows of his cronies. The game kind of glosses over this point, but I think at least the TV director is shown to be around and suppressing footage of your and Shido's activities after the calling card.
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Game's about managing your SP and elemental weaknesses. Yeah its chaotic, but don't be afraid to just pop up your persona menu just to pause and get a look at your surroundings. And also yeah, no shame in turning it down to easy. It's quite a whiplash for people not used to musou games. Hope you enjoy the Phantom Thieves Awesome Vacation.
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whenever people post stuff like that i dont get what people got out of strikers at all.it feels like we played different games. every fight in strikers was over so quickly i didnt have time to do anything other than do a couple skills and like two combos.
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Endorph posted:whenever people post stuff like that i dont get what people got out of strikers at all.it feels like we played different games. every fight in strikers was over so quickly i didnt have time to do anything other than do a couple skills and like two combos. Regular fights are fine and fast, but the boss-type ones got me. Your characters go down in like four hits and I'm not hardcore enough to consistently dodge, but too hardcore to conserve SP for healing. I muddled through the first major boss fight, after having used all my healing items and still lost all my party members, by just running in circles as Joker and spamming the gun-gungungun combo for like ten minutes. I might have been underleveled, but I am even more averse to grinding than I am to getting good.
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Regular fights are fine and fast, but the boss-type ones got me. Your characters go down in like four hits and I'm not hardcore enough to consistently dodge, but too hardcore to conserve SP for healing. I muddled through the first major boss fight, after having used all my healing items and still lost all my party members, by just running in circles as Joker and spamming the gun-gungungun combo for like ten minutes. It's basically this yeah, like I did the intro fight fine and got through the waterway under the palace where you meet Sophie with a bit of trouble against the bicorn, but once the game opens up and status effects start getting thrown around it all happens so quick and confusingly I don't really get what's going on or how to respond. When I was playing Royal I heard the 'any time now' barks a lot from deliberating my moves, I'm just not good with the pace and the level of visual clutter going on.
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Regular fights are fine and fast, but the boss-type ones got me. Your characters go down in like four hits and I'm not hardcore enough to consistently dodge, but too hardcore to conserve SP for healing. I muddled through the first major boss fight, after having used all my healing items and still lost all my party members, by just running in circles as Joker and spamming the gun-gungungun combo for like ten minutes. Just a piece of general information in case you didn't know: After the tutorial dungeon, you can leave the metaverse any time you want with no consequences whatsoever (except the enemies respawning of course). Made the game so much easier when I found out.
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