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Pingui posted:I am not saying that hospital occupancy has nothing to do with PASC hospitalizations, but the hospitalizations graphed above are COVID positive hospitalizations. A hospitalization as a consequence of PASC is not registered on those graphs, unless the PASC sufferer incidentally also has an active infection. That's fair, and a distinction that should be drawn here indeed. I guess I was automatically assuming that many would go directly to PASC, skipping re-hospitalization with some other cause, but I don't have a rigorous basis to assume that either. Going to shoot a letter of inquiry to our healthcare ministry, to ask if they track PASC data internally.
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Charles 2 of Spain posted:In Supplementary Table 6 (I assume this was before weighting), cohorts with more reinfections generally have more health problems, so to match them you would need to take a similar demographic of people in the other cohorts. I think what ends up happening is that your study participants become even less similar to the general population. Charles 2 of Spain posted:I don't know of any sorry, but my intuition is that the general results of this paper would hold up (i.e. vaccines reduce long COVID), simply because the vaccines demonstrably reduce other negative outcomes such as severe disease and death. I feel like you'll never get the perfect study you're after though, every one has flaws. I would have been interested to see what would happen if previous infection was a variable in that regression, and as the authors admit themselves self-reporting (especially from nearly two years prior) is always a limitation and the results can't be deemed causal. Charles 2 of Spain posted:I think there's been enough infections now that you can probably roughly estimate how reliable any reported long COVID/loss of immunity prevalence figures are by considering how it would affect the world if true. Something like say 10% of every COVID infection providing long-lasting complications would be instantly noticeable by every hospital, not just as a sudden spike but as a forever sustained increase of patients. Slow News Day posted:Some estimates supposedly put the number of long-haulers to be in the millions, which, even if if were believable, would not be very meaningful. As Charles 2 of Spain says, if the long-term damage caused by COVID was even 1/10th as common as those estimates suggest, we would notice it in things like sustained hospital numbers, not to mention things like disability benefit applications. US fatal heart attacks have been elevated over the course of the pandemic  US fatal heart disease in aggregate was elevated in 2020:  Additionally there has in fact been an increase in the number of people working in the US with a disability over the course of the pandemic:  I'm not saying these reported increases are the last word on whether any specific PASC incidence estimates are correct, just saying it's not obvious that there haven't been any increases in certain hospital-treated medical conditions or the number of disabled people. If you're going to claim that the PASC incidences reported in various studies and in survey data are overestimated because hospital and disability numbers don't reflect it then you should probably present some of those numbers as evidence.
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There's also an absolutely hellish number of confounding variables. If you had a bunch of people getting less exercise and under more stress with no pandemic, would you see these same numbers? I'm not sure, but it seems plausible. If you had a bunch of people who delayed getting treatment, or couldn't get treatment, for smaller concerns, would it look like this? Again, I can't say for sure, but it seems plausible. It's also plausible that it's damage from COVID infection, of course. The truth is: we don't know, and at this point I don't think we can know. We would be well advised to proceed with caution at this point, in my view.
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PT6A posted:I don't think I'm being hostile to people who are more diligent than me about avoiding COVID. They are free to do what they think is best. I am upset that, despite still doing more than average, there's some sort of sense that those of us who have relaxed certain precautions have engaged in some sort of betrayal. I took more precautions than my mum being treated for lung cancer, and my friend who's immuno-suppressed. I put my career on hold for a year; a hole which I'm just now starting to climb my way out of. I missed my best friend's wedding. I still wear an N-95 in all public spaces someone might be obligated to go to, and most other public areas where it's practicable without excessive inconvenience. I did those things, and I do those things, because I believe they were the right choice at the time. I don't know I'd make a different choice in hindsight. I think I'm done here. I'm trying to talk you through the process of being empathetic towards the people you're talking about and you just want to rant about how good you've been. Yeah, sure, you're so non-hostile towards these people who (according to you) never leave their house and are letting covid rule their lives, you're so kind by saying they are free to do what they want, you're the perfect ally.
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Cygnids posted:I think I'm done here. I'm trying to talk you through the process of being empathetic towards the people you're talking about and you just want to rant about how good you've been. Yeah, sure, you're so non-hostile towards these people who (according to you) never leave their house and are letting covid rule their lives, you're so kind by saying they are free to do what they want, you're the perfect ally. I think you're being ridiculous and proving my point. I'm empathetic to the people who are taking more precautions than I am, because I've been through it and I know it's not easy or pleasant. I'm not asking you, or anyone, to approve of my personal choices; what I'm asking for is that people not be openly hostile to me for relaxing some, but not all, precautions for myself. I still wear an N95 mask in public any time I'm around anyone I don't know outside a context which precludes it (restaurants/bars), and I even shave every morning to make sure it has a decent seal, don't worry!
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Nocturtle posted:The reweighting appears to be done such that the reinfections group is matched to the unweighted characteristics of the no reinfections group, not the other way around. Also the big issue with this study is the difference between the no vs multiple-reinfection groups, not so much the prevalences reported for the no reinfection group. Nocturtle posted:There really aren't many (any?) large studies of post-infection impact prevalences that include triple-boosted younger people with a control group. It's plausible that triple-boosted 30 year olds are less impacted, and there are definitely no perfect studies but there should at least be some good evidence backing the claim. Al-Aly's work is valuable IMO because they're using the large VA dataset to actually try to measure post-infection impact prevalences and answer questions like how much do vaccines help, how do people do after multiple infections vs none etc. Their studies have issues with generality but there don't seem to be many better ones. Nocturtle posted:These are reasonable points, but there have in fact been an uptick in certain hospital-treated medical conditions over the course of the pandemic.
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PT6A posted:I think you're being ridiculous and proving my point. I'm empathetic to the people who are taking more precautions than I am, because I've been through it and I know it's not easy or pleasant. I'm not asking you, or anyone, to approve of my personal choices; what I'm asking for is that people not be openly hostile to me for relaxing some, but not all, precautions for myself. I still wear an N95 mask in public any time I'm around anyone I don't know outside a context which precludes it (restaurants/bars), and I even shave every morning to make sure it has a decent seal, don't worry! You should go start a blog or something, no one here actually gives a poo poo about what precautions you're personally taking or the many certainly real people who are constantly judging you for them. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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PT6A if you're looking for some kind of moral absolution from strangers on a comedy forum (why?): COVID, like climate change, is a collective action problem. Your individual actions will have no effect on the course of the pandemic, any more than you could affect climate change by getting up two hours earlier to take 3 different busses to work thanks to our underfunded transit system. If you want to and can do it, great, but if you can't you aren't dooming the world thereby. Our government decided to please the small class of ultrarich people whose only desire is to make some numbers get bigger, at the cost of a million plus lives, if your friends are scolding you personally they've fallen into the trap of individualism that neoliberalism uses to shift blame from government and class interests onto ordinary people who have been placed into a no-win scenario. Sometimes you gotta take a job that isn't work-from-home, sometimes you gotta fly to visit your grandma, or whatever. If your friends don't get that maybe don't talk to them anymore idk. You gotta take care of yourself too, maybe we can create a better world one day where people aren't forced to make terrible choices just to exist.
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Just ignore those people and especially ignore goons. Dunno what else to tell you. Anyone giving you poo poo for going out despite wearing an N95 isn’t really worth paying attention to in 2023. We’re not all IT remote workers with the ability to afford an endless train of gig workers to deliver supplies.
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No one is making fun of him for wearing N95s. He's upset because he's seeing 'going to restaurants during a pandemic' being used as shorthand for 'being stupid, irresponsible and selfish' by some people and feels aggrieved because he's going to restaurants during a pandemic. And look, PT6A, that's your cognitive dissonance to deal with. You aren't going to convince anyone who doesn't already believe it's fine that going into a restaurant unmasked is necessary or responsible behaviour, or that they need to carve out exceptions in their jokes for people who usually mask and only occasionally go into restaurants unmasked. Either stop caring what the wrong people think, or if you think they aren't wrong stop doing the thing they think is dumb. That's it, those are the options.
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HazCat posted:No one is making fun of him for wearing N95s. I am. If you wear an n95 now you're hilariously prone to narrative capture and worthy of plenty of insults. Make fun of me too--I wore a mask exactly one time, never was tested, never vaccinated. There was no pandemic for me and my family and my entire state, really. Great few years, these last. You all wasted years of your lives and if you're still so clueless that you're wearing masks, you deserve all the insults you get. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jan 5, 2023 02:58
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gently caress off idiot
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That dude has an astonishing 9% probation rate (9% of his posts leading to probations). It's rare to see someone on here for 18 years with 139 posts total, virtually all of them poo poo posting right wing memes and having probes off 12 of them.
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Charles 2 of Spain posted:gently caress off idiot Shammypants posted:That dude has an astonishing 9% probation rate (9% of his posts leading to probations). It's rare to see someone on here for 18 years with 139 posts total, virtually all of them poo poo posting right wing memes and having probes off 12 of them. It's been handled, please return to discussing COVID-19.
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Shammypants posted:That dude has an astonishing 9% probation rate (9% of his posts leading to probations). It's rare to see someone on here for 18 years with 139 posts total, virtually all of them poo poo posting right wing memes and having probes off 12 of them. Haha where does it say this? EDIT: I'm not doubting you, I'm curious which button one pushes in order to see these statistics. Gynovore fucked around with this message at 05:59 on Jan 5, 2023 |
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Fritz the Horse posted:It's been handled, please return to discussing COVID-19. Oops sorry, didn't see that post before posting my post. To get back to Covid talk, do the take-home 15 minute tests have a significant error rate? I've been having mild flu-ish symptoms the past week. I took the IHealth test and it came up negative, but I'm still kind of wondering.
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Gynovore posted:Oops sorry, didn't see that post before posting my post. Short answer: yes, rapid tests have a high false negative rate. I suggest you test once or twice a day for several days and I also recommend doing a combined nose and throat swab: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qHTBlxfNes I'm sure someone has more specific data on hand.
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NAAT covid tests are still free and readily available at Walgreens. You'll have proper results in a couple hours.
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Fritz the Horse posted:Short answer: yes, rapid tests have a high false negative rate. I suggest you test once or twice a day for several days and I also recommend doing a combined nose and throat swab: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qHTBlxfNes I did some googling and found that IHealth tests have a false negative rate of 5% to 35% depending on who you talk to. WTF? A home pregnancy test that sucked that hard would never go near the market. I'm prolly not going to test again because I'm feeling better today and I'm fully vaxxed+boosted. Also that was our last test.
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Gynovore posted:I did some googling and found that IHealth tests have a false negative rate of 5% to 35% depending on who you talk to. WTF? A home pregnancy test that sucked that hard would never go near the market. Think about all the people with symptomatic covid out there taking a test, getting a false negative, shrugging and getting on the train unmasked. Honestly this would have been a great time to teach people to wear masks when they're sick with ANYTHING just in case but no, Freedumb.
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Goons seem to be missing the impending tidal shift in attitude towards the vaccines. In this post I'll lay out some evidence that you should at least be skeptical of the notion that these vaccines are safe and effective, based on the real phase 3 which is still underway on the entire human population. First, Rasmussen reports that 28% of Americans believe they know somebody who was injured due to the covid vaccine and half believe that the vaccines may be causing unexpected deaths: https://www.themainewire.com/2023/01/americans-sour-on-covid-19-vaccine-rasmussen/ This one you goons will easily dismiss: Americans are stupid, a quarter of them believe electricity flows faster downhill, of course they believe this bullshit. Fair enough! Second, Australia's covid reporting for weeks 51 & 52 (EOY '22) is quite interesting: https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Documents/weekly-covid-overview-20221231.pdf The table at the end gives some very interesting details. Such as: Over the time period, zero unvaccinated people showed up to the hospital, and (obviously) zero went into ICUs for covid. Those with one dose: 10 in hospital, 1 in icu. Two doses: 218 hospital, 17 ICU. Three doses: 377 & 29. Four or more doses: 810 hospitalized, 58 in the ICU. At that time period, in Australia, 97% of people had at least one dose, so that means only 3% of people were totally unvaccinated. There could be a bunch of statistical reasons and confounding factors that could lead to this outcome, while still maintaining these gene therapies are effective. However, the fact that the purebloods are not at all represented in the covid data should at least give a little pause. If the vaccine was so effective, wouldn't you expect even one or two of those 3% to show up in the stats? Really? All the conspiracy theorists in Australia just happen to be strangely robust? Since none of them seem to be affected by covid while the vaxxed are, at the very least it seems plausible to say that those unvaccinated somehow had better immune systems than the rest. Or the disease already wiped out all the purebloods in earlier weeks and now only the few strong survive. Finally, all-cause 2022 excess mortality in Australia is now greater than the total number of covid deaths recorded. Strange. And the cherry on top: Australia announced that they would no longer be providing covid hopsitalization data with vaccination status breakdown any longer. Huh, strange. I guess it's just us crazy people's wild, stupid interpretations of their data that's leading them to this--better to have less public info than have tinfoilhatters mangle stats, right? I'm genuinely curious: Are any vaxxmaxxer goons here starting to question the vaccines whereas before they hadn't? knulla fucked around with this message at 18:58 on Jan 12, 2023 |
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did you seriously unironically use the term "purebloods"
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I go to themainewire.com for all of my information on covid vaccines
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I’ll ask for a bit longer pencils than this.
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the mRNA vaccine is as much a 'gene therapy' as getting any other virus and your body learning how to defend against it is gene therapy. so if that scares you as oogy boogy gene therapy, i dunno what to tell you
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In response to the question posed by the vaxxmaxxer/pureblood guy, my answer is "no"
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knulla posted:Goons seem to be missing the impending tidal shift in attitude towards the vaccines. In this post I'll lay out some evidence that you should at least be skeptical of the notion that these vaccines are safe and effective, based on the real phase 3 which is still underway on the entire human population. This post is pureblood Dunning-Kruger
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Tiny Timbs posted:In response to the question posed by the vaxxmaxxer/pureblood guy, my answer is "no" Fair enough, I’ll take that. I’d just like the thread to not devolve into two pages of no/empty quotes.
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Jan 12, 2023 19:11
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knulla posted:Goons seem to be missing the impending tidal shift in attitude towards the vaccines. In this post I'll lay out some evidence that you should at least be skeptical of the notion that these vaccines are safe and effective, based on the real phase 3 which is still underway on the entire human population. I'm waiting for evidence not ramblings of a moron.
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Jan 12, 2023 19:12
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This is probably a stupid question, but if being unvaccinated makes you immune to covid, what was putting all those people in the ICU prior to February 2021 or so when the general public started receiving the vaccines?
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VitalSigns posted:This is probably a stupid question, but if being unvaccinated makes you immune to covid, what was putting all those people in the ICU prior to February 2021 or so when the general public started receiving the vaccines? Typical vaxxmaxxer cope, I say, between death-rattle coughs that wrack my entire body. Must be a cold I picked up.
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VitalSigns posted:This is probably a stupid question, but if being unvaccinated makes you immune to covid, what was putting all those people in the ICU prior to February 2021 or so when the general public started receiving the vaccines? All those people were part of the closed vaccine trials, obviously
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Tarezax posted:did you seriously unironically use the term "purebloods" that and "gene therapy" are two surefire ways to convince people that you are not a completely broke brained insane conspiracy theorist
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Fair enough, I’ll take that. I’d just like the thread to not devolve into two pages of no/empty quotes. That can be accomplished by removing the person soliciting them. Right now, they're defining the scope of acceptable discourse.
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knulla posted:The table at the end gives some very interesting details. Such as: Over the time period, zero unvaccinated people showed up to the hospital, and (obviously) zero went into ICUs for covid. Those with one dose: 10 in hospital, 1 in icu. Two doses: 218 hospital, 17 ICU. Three doses: 377 & 29. Four or more doses: 810 hospitalized, 58 in the ICU. Yes you would, and if you look around at other weekly reports from December 2022, they do knulla posted:All the conspiracy theorists in Australia just happen to be strangely robust? Since none of them seem to be affected by covid while the vaxxed are, at the very least it seems plausible to say that those unvaccinated somehow had better immune systems than the rest. Or the disease already wiped out all the purebloods in earlier weeks and now only the few strong survive.  3% of the population, yet 6% of the covid deaths in that 14-day report you linked. And this is the report you picked to make the vaccine look as bad as possible.
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Calling mRNA vaccines gene therapy is incredibly stupid. It demonstrates a fundamental lack of understanding of the subject matter and also shows what kind of sources you base your opinion on. On a related note: All this antivaxxer bullcrap about "gene therapy" and how spike protein is some evil poison etc and whatnot is completely and utterly ridiculous as well, because the vaccines don't do anything the virus doesn't already do. Scared about mRNA in your cell producing spike protein? Guess what genius, the virus does the exact same thing. That's how viruses work. Only that's not all that it does, the virus doesn't stop there, it makes your cells produce a bunch of other proteins and assemble them into more virus particles which infect other cells and they produce more virus and baby, now you've got an infection going.
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spankmeister posted:On a related note: All this antivaxxer bullcrap about "gene therapy" and how spike protein is some evil poison etc and whatnot is completely and utterly ridiculous as well, because the vaccines don't do anything the virus doesn't already do. Naturalistic fallacy. Your cells taking up a bit of mRNA and executing it to produce and display spike proteins so your immune system can recognize them is bad because the mRNA was made in a lab! But when a virus transcribes its entire RNA into your cells, hijacks them, and forces them to manufacture all kinds of viral RNA and proteins and copies of itself until it explodes and releases millions more viruses to do the same to cell after cell until your lungs are cottage cheese, this is natural and God made it so it can't really hurt you. Also some of the same people believe covid was made in a lab, not sure how that fits in here, but it's definitely still fine to catch lab-made covid according to them.
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whoa yeah my Facebook doctor warned me about GMO spike proteins, so I only use non-GMO spike proteins (I.E. dying from a preventable disease lol)
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