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Tulip posted:Things can stay the same, or they can get worse, they cannot under any circumstances be allowed to improve. And that is why this is the most important election of our lifetime
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Jan 6, 2023 08:49
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lol when I was a kid stuff like 2girls1cup, rotten.com etc made the rounds, sex creeps and weird people were ever present in chatrooms and online games, and I'm not saying I turned out fine but I'm sure kids these days will manage to cope probably better than we did obviously not excusing it or saying it's okay but acting like it's some weird new phenomenon and an immediate danger to a generation is overblown. if you let your (young) children online unsupervised and without talking to them about it that's on you.
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Jan 6, 2023 10:45
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Taeke posted:lol when I was a kid stuff like 2girls1cup, rotten.com etc made the rounds, sex creeps and weird people were ever present in chatrooms and online games, and I'm not saying I turned out fine but I'm sure kids these days will manage to cope probably better than we did  Don't put inattentive parenting on technology or you turn into a Jack Thompson and/or Satantic panickee
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Jan 6, 2023 10:55
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Taeke posted:lol when I was a kid stuff like 2girls1cup, rotten.com etc made the rounds, sex creeps and weird people were ever present in chatrooms and online games, and I'm not saying I turned out fine but I'm sure kids these days will manage to cope probably better than we did The thing that's kind of fascinating about the elsa spiderman video complex is not so much that they're especially gross or puerile, cuz they're not, but that they're so narratively incoherent that they feel like tailor designed to break your ability to think causally. Dunno if that's gonna matter but its sure fuckin weird to me.
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Jan 6, 2023 10:59
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Wait are you actually worried that those kinds of videos are going to break kids' ability to think right or something? Because that's kind of an insane worry to have. The human mind is absolutely capable of developing properly even when it's exposed to nonsensical, weird, narratively incoherent stimuli. Like, unless that's the only thing you expose them to it'll just be a weird thing they saw. By the time they can actually process narrative they'll be bored of the random AI generated poo poo and look at other stuff like Bing or Paw Patrol or Teletubbies or whatever. That elsa x spiderman stuff is for the kids that recognize shapes and colors and characters, but not narrative beyond "goes left, then goes right".
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Jan 6, 2023 11:20
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The current generation of kids is going to be angry about the crop failures and megafloods, I don't think the impact of Pregnant Elsa Shoots Spiderman videos is going to matter much
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Jan 6, 2023 11:46
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even the stupidest abused toddler learns to walk and speak their own language. the human animal is an unstoppable evil, no elsa video or roblox game will not harm its quest to consume and reproduce edit: ya the floods might harm that quest tho but that was our generation lol
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Jan 6, 2023 11:49
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Tulip posted:Things can stay the same, or they can get worse, they cannot under any circumstances be allowed to improve.
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Jan 6, 2023 12:23
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Taeke posted:Wait are you actually worried that those kinds of videos are going to break kids' ability to think right or something? Because that's kind of an insane worry to have. The human mind is absolutely capable of developing properly even when it's exposed to nonsensical, weird, narratively incoherent stimuli. Nah dude, pregnant elsa shoving eggs into poorly rendered spidersman is not educational. At best its just weird as gently caress, at worst its some redditors fetish.
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Jan 6, 2023 12:25
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90s Cringe Rock posted:hey, it's paid work and given that they make absolute bank ($20k/mo on patreon apparently) I'm going to continue with my policy of siding with literally anyone over reddit mods, especially when literally anyone has spent  to post heredoes "making $20k/mo to churn out words like Charles Dickens, except with more spreadsheets" count as cyberpunk
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Jan 6, 2023 13:08
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Antonymous posted:even the stupidest abused toddler learns to walk and speak their own language. the human animal is an unstoppable evil, no elsa video or roblox game will not harm its quest to consume and reproduce I mean abused toddlers do wind up with significant long-term cognitive differences from other toddlers who grow up in non-abusive environments. Like that's a thing, humans grow and develop in ways affected by their environments. And like we do have children who grew up in such bad environments they never learn how to speak, that is also a thing, though kind of a different thing than what I'm curious about. I don't know why it's weird to think that long term continuous exposure to incomprehensible gibberish would affect development. I don't know what the effects will be, I don't have the kind of hubris to think I know what's likely to happen, but given that Americans already have an only tenuous belief in cause and effect I can def see it getting weaker/stupider.
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Jan 6, 2023 13:23
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Cause and effect, remembering things, etc, are all communist plots to take our freedoms.
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Jan 6, 2023 13:31
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the thing about early child development is that basically every single second counts. so yes a toddler can probably spend hours a day watching elsa x spiderman trash on youtube and turn out more or less ok, but they are going to be at a severe disadvantage against anyone who spent those hours actually doing stuff that helped their development that said the child that spends hours and hours watching nonsense on youtube was always going to be exposed to a bunch of trash, internet or no
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Jan 6, 2023 13:43
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babypolis posted:the thing about early child development is that basically every single second counts. so yes a toddler can probably spend hours a day watching elsa x spiderman trash on youtube and turn out more or less ok, but they are going to be at a severe disadvantage against anyone who spent those hours actually doing stuff that helped their development i mean yeah, its a smaller part of the pie of "i am worried about the kids" than that 21st century capitalism has made attentive parenting structures (whether its by direct parents or by a broad network of friends and extended family) a luxury allowed only to the wealthy
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Jan 6, 2023 13:52
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Tulip posted:i mean yeah, its a smaller part of the pie of "i am worried about the kids" than that 21st century capitalism has made attentive parenting structures (whether its by direct parents or by a broad network of friends and extended family) a luxury allowed only to the wealthy i mean its not like having 10 kids and letting the oldest ones take care of child rearing was great either. it will suck in a generation or so when the gulf between rich ppl and poor ppl becomes even more abysmal because of this tho
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Jan 6, 2023 13:55
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Taeke posted:lol when I was a kid stuff like 2girls1cup, rotten.com etc made the rounds, sex creeps and weird people were ever present in chatrooms and online games, and I'm not saying I turned out fine but I'm sure kids these days will manage to cope probably better than we did It's new in that sense that for our generation, the online kids were outliers. Now, the kids raised offline are the rare exception. But I agree the danger is overblown. Kids are smart, and I don't think for a second that seeing a furry orgy or whatever is going to break them. That's why I said I'm not sure if it's better or worse than the old system. We've offloaded a significant amount of the work shaping young minds to the internet, and even in the age of Platforms, it is an ideologically lawless place. It has no tenants beyond watch and consume. That's in contrast to older generations who grew up spoon-fed the narrative of their dominant culture. That narrative is still there, obviously, but it's no longer so preeminent. I don't pretend to be nearly smart enough to make any guesses about how that difference might change society or if it'll change anything at all, but I do wonder about it.
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Jan 6, 2023 14:14
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Chamale posted:The current generation of kids is going to be angry about the crop failures and megafloods, I don't think the impact of Pregnant Elsa Shoots Spiderman videos is going to matter much the effects of climate change within our lifetime have been and will continue to be devastating in ways we are incapable of truly grasping
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Jan 6, 2023 14:24
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Tulip posted:I don't know why it's weird to think that long term continuous exposure to incomprehensible gibberish would affect development. I don't know what the effects will be ChatGPT was raised by reading every single Reddit post
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Jan 6, 2023 15:03
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Cup Runneth Over posted:That's because no one really knows, neural nets are black boxes almost by design. You could probably run into someone who could tell you about weights and tokenizers and attention heads and poo poo but to most people you just run code that feeds a training set into a Transformer model and it starts generating different output. 
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Jan 6, 2023 15:07
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Rutibex posted:ChatGPT was raised by reading every single Reddit post we must forge a stronger ai mind by feeding it only sa posts
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Jan 6, 2023 16:11
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Skippy McPants posted:It's new in that sense that for our generation, the online kids were outliers. Now, the kids raised offline are the rare exception. But I agree the danger is overblown. Kids are smart, and I don't think for a second that seeing a furry orgy or whatever is going to break them. That's why I said I'm not sure if it's better or worse than the old system. Yeah. A thing that's interesting is that the relationship between developing certain values and whether or not those values are adaptive or not can be confusing. Like the kind of nu-atheist dumbguy approach is that being more objectively correct about the material world is adaptive while buying into social delusions is maladaptive, but humans are ultimately social creatures and a huge range of deficiencies at understanding the natural world can be overcome by just being better at social maneuvering. And not even like being a brains genius at it, just like, being able to fit in to a society that has the right number and kind of specialists who can manage the natural world on your behalf. But its not just a matter of conformity either, the dominant narrative that Americans tend to conform to includes for one example a belief that you should just be open and honest with the police, which is for any individual person about as good an idea as teabagging a leopard (though of course that cultural value is very good for the cops themselves). There's definitely an effect that the constant narrative to consume above produce has had on my generation and the generation below me, which is the belief that politics and morality are not things you do to others but "which TV shows do I watch." Posting as praxis at most. I'm just curious as to where its going to go since the content mills have become even more unhinged. Garbage in garbage out? Sorry but I'm built different.
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Jan 6, 2023 18:29
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I hope I can be a rich, marbled people-steak for some gen alpha kid in 2043
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Jan 6, 2023 18:43
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Skippy McPants posted:I don't pretend to be nearly smart enough to make any guesses about how that difference might change society or if it'll change anything at all, but I do wonder about it. It means the kids grow up radicalised OP Fascism is back baby, awoooo
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Jan 6, 2023 19:28
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Kitfox88 posted:we must forge a stronger ai mind by feeding it only sa posts I once had the idea to create a Markov Bot that would scrape SA threads and post the result in the thread under the name "Marko V. Bot" as a gimmick but it was too much work and I abandoned the project.
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Jan 6, 2023 21:43
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Desert Bus posted:I once had the idea to create a Markov Bot that would scrape SA threads and post the result in the thread under the name "Marko V. Bot" as a gimmick but it was too much work and I abandoned the project. That sounds like the output of a script scraping SA, given how many lazy nerds this site has.
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Jan 6, 2023 21:59
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Desert Bus posted:I once had the idea to create a Markov Bot that would scrape SA threads and post the result in the thread under the name "Marko V. Bot" as a gimmick but it was too much work and I abandoned the project. I made a Markov bot a couple of years back which worked by scraping trending tweets, then tweeting it the resulting garbage every so often. It tweeted about Indian and Brazilian soap operas until it was banned for threatening to punch some politician I've never heard of.
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Jan 6, 2023 23:12
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Didn't some goon also make a bot that scraped Twitter for crypto bro idea guys and then would only reply to their tweets about whatever with 'ill make the wiki'
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Jan 7, 2023 00:51
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Kitfox88 posted:Didn't some goon also make a bot that scraped Twitter for crypto bro idea guys and then would only reply to their tweets about whatever with 'ill make the wiki' This sounds hilarious. Please let it be true. My 100% fav Goon creation is Goatkcd, a mashup of XKCD and Goatse. THIS IS VERY NSWF DO NOT CLICK UNLESS YOU WANT TO LAUGH A LOT https://goatkcd.com/ https://goatkcd.com/1357/ Desert Bus has issued a correction as of 01:15 on Jan 7, 2023 |
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Jan 7, 2023 01:11
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holy poo poo i'm so glad to learn that goatkcd still exists
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Jan 7, 2023 01:54
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Desert Bus posted:I once had the idea to create a Markov Bot that would scrape SA threads and post the result in the thread under the name "Marko V. Bot" as a gimmick but it was too much work and I abandoned the project. well that's just Toblerone Triangular with more steps!
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Jan 7, 2023 02:25
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Desert Bus posted:This sounds hilarious. Please let it be true. A lot of them nowadays are just title and goatse but holy poo poo i actually laughed out loud at this recent one https://goatkcd.com/2720/
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Jan 7, 2023 02:55
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Desert Bus posted:This sounds hilarious. Please let it be true. If I am remembering correctly this was like, the better part of a decade ago so it's probably in one of the ancient yospos bitcoin threads or something.
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Jan 7, 2023 11:21
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Desert Bus posted:This sounds hilarious. Please let it be true. I hit random and laughed a lot https://goatkcd.com/102/ 
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Jan 7, 2023 16:51
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the goatse dot cx email addresses that a goon sold like ten years ago still work
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Jan 7, 2023 17:06
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https://twitter.com/transscribe/status/1611732198654357509?s=61&t=98psDWz5SAkgULPcrmBppQ I don’t think this guy understands that what he did was hosed up: https://twitter.com/robertrmorris/status/1611450253693132807?s=61&t=98psDWz5SAkgULPcrmBppQ “sounds” inauthentic? “feels” weird and empty? the correct word is “is” you loving psycho
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Jan 7, 2023 18:45
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oh I played this game https://store.steampowered.com/app/716500/Eliza/  the "solution" the company in the game came up with was to have a real human read the lines generated by the AI so they seemed sincere
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Jan 7, 2023 19:08
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Rhesus Pieces posted:https://twitter.com/transscribe/status/1611732198654357509?s=61&t=98psDWz5SAkgULPcrmBppQ I feel like the rest of his tweets make it clear that he understands the emptiness fine. But in this context, chatting to a random person for a few minutes, how it feels is pretty important as a separate issue from how much empathy there actually is.
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Jan 7, 2023 20:11
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ymgve posted:oh I played this game This was a really good game. Not what I expected from that developer (who is probably my favorite developer already).
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Jan 7, 2023 20:53
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Dylan16807 posted:I feel like the rest of his tweets make it clear that he understands the emptiness fine. yeah, perception is reality for talk therapy basically
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Jan 7, 2023 21:16
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