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Big Chandra? That walker does seem like huge bomb. The last ability wasn't good when it was on a sorcery, but pretty strong stapled to a permanent with other abilities.
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flatluigi posted:what was the last very playable six mana planeswalker Good question, at exactly six it might be the Theros Elspeth? Ugin and Karn saw/see play but they’re more. Tbf I don’t think the new Wanderer is going to be a problem in constructed, but it looks insanely nasty in limited.
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Wittgen posted:Big Chandra? The two cards I'm thinking about are Cataclysmic Gearhulk and Single Combat but this Wanderer allows you the caster to choose so you kill everything but their weakest creature. I can't remember if this same effect has been on a sorcery recently.
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Dreadhorde General has been picking up steam in pioneer, hasn't she? Similar but lower impact ultimate too. Firing off the turn it drops and choosing what creature stays seems a good tradeoff for only hitting creatures. Macdeo Lurjtux fucked around with this message at 19:15 on Jan 6, 2023 |
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AngryBooch posted:The two cards I'm thinking about are Cataclysmic Gearhulk and Single Combat but this Wanderer allows you the caster to choose so you kill everything but their weakest creature. I was thinking about single combat. Good point that you being able to choose is huge step up.
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Chandra, Awakened Inferno saw a reasonable amount of play as a 1 of MD or in SB, but the last 6 mana PW to see what I'd consider heavy play was Vraska, Relic Seeker in the GB midrange meta post rotation of Kaladesh and Amonkhet in 2018
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Tom Clancy is Dead posted:Chandra, Awakened Inferno saw a reasonable amount of play as a 1 of MD or in SB, but the last 6 mana PW to see what I'd consider heavy play was Vraska, Relic Seeker in the GB midrange meta post rotation of Kaladesh and Amonkhet in 2018 That was a historically weak standard too iirc. Good indicator for what the environment has to look like for an expensive PW that's not busted to be playable.
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I think at 6 mana for constructed the walker would pretty much have to end the game on the spot to be considered like, very playable Or at the very least would have to make it inevitable that you win if it sticks around for more than a turn? It's a pretty big hurdle to clear imo
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Weird Pumpkin posted:I think at 6 mana for constructed the walker would pretty much have to end the game on the spot to be considered like, very playable You're right, but I think when the PW has a wrath effect it changes the math a bit. Theros Elspeth would land, stabilize and then be your win condition eventually if you could protect it. This new Wanderer isn't too dissimilar.
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fadam posted:You're right, but I think when the PW has a wrath effect it changes the math a bit. Theros Elspeth would land, stabilize and then be your win condition eventually if you could protect it. This new Wanderer isn't too dissimilar. That's true yeah, also I didn't catch that YOU get to edit:choose the creature your opponent keeps which is way, way better than my first reading. I just sort of assumed it'd be opponent chooses since that effect has been on a few cards  Definitely seems like a way better card in that case Weird Pumpkin fucked around with this message at 19:53 on Jan 6, 2023 |
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The existence of Toxic as a keyword annoys me. They already had a keyword for "whenever this creature deals combat damage to a player, that player gets # poison counter(s)" back in Future Sight called poisonous. Why come up with a new keyword for what's functionally the exact same mechanic?
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Weird Pumpkin posted:That's true yeah, also I didn't catch that YOU get to keep the creature your opponent keeps which is way, way better than my first reading. I just sort of assumed it'd be opponent chooses since that effect has been on a few cards I, and I think almost everyone else read it the same way fwiw. W.T. Fits posted:The existence of Toxic as a keyword annoys me. They already had a keyword for "whenever this creature deals combat damage to a player, that player gets # poison counter(s)" back in Future Sight called poisonous. Why come up with a new keyword for what's functionally the exact same mechanic? EDIT: Nope this is wrong, not sure what the point of the change is tbh, but there must be one. fadam fucked around with this message at 19:58 on Jan 6, 2023 |
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Maybe someone pointed out the difference between poisonous and venomous and they didn't want to keep the mistake going.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/mtg/comments/zlghof/poisonous_vs_toxic/ Toxic is a static effect and Poisonous is triggered. Gaining a poison counter from Toxic doesnt use the stack. Toxic is like a creature with lifelink and Poisonous is like a creature enchanted with [[Spirit Link]].
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what implication does using the stack mean here? with old Infect cards, you can counter the poison counters before they're added?
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Khanstant posted:what implication does using the stack mean here? with old Infect cards, you can counter the poison counters before they're added? With Stifle. Anything that interacted with triggered abilities would interact with poisonous. The real reason for the change is pace of digital play. Poisonous would create a bunch of additional triggers for no significant gameplay benefit that need to get ordered and pass priority.
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AngryBooch posted:Sphere as a new land type. I wonder how that will be relevant to gameplay. I just appreciate that Nearby Planet makes more sense now
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few more leaks https://imgur.com/a/9zVqftl https://imgur.com/a/h1rV5Vt
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fadam posted:
I don't like it. Yeah, it'd be nifty to use this to copy a mana crypt or sol ring or something, but it's completely dependent upon you having both of those cards at the same time. Until then, it's just a really bad filter land. I'd rather just run another dual land/utility land/mana rock.
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Framboise posted:I don't like it. Yeah, it'd be nifty to use this to copy a mana crypt or sol ring or something, but it's completely dependent upon you having both of those cards at the same time. Until then, it's just a really bad filter land. You might be right, I guess my hope is the fail case isn’t bad enough to cancel out the potential upside, similar to Gemstone. My friend is a Stax-enjoyer and he said he’s gonna try it in Winota as a way to get other cheap spinners or to copy Thorns etc. and I think that makes sense.
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fadam posted:You might be right, I guess my hope is the fail case isn’t bad enough to cancel out the potential upside, similar to Gemstone. My friend is a Stax-enjoyer and he said he’s gonna try it in Winota as a way to get other cheap spinners or to copy Thorns etc. and I think that makes sense. I hadn't considered it for stax redundancy. That is appealing...
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Khanstant posted:what implication does using the stack mean here? with old Infect cards, you can counter the poison counters before they're added? With old Poisonous(and specifically Poisonous, Infect has no trigger either), you could counter them with Stifle and the like, yeah. Also having a no trigger version is cleaner for Arena.
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Holy crap that land fetcher looks like a bomb e: monument to perfection A big flaming stink fucked around with this message at 21:13 on Jan 6, 2023 |
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Mindsplice Apparatus seems rife for some schenanigans.
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I wonder if they're making another locus. Seems weird to reference them on the monument to just get the old ones.
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drat, there was a premium store in town I hadn't been to yet since it's not as close. Since they had the upgraded status, kinda figured they'd be having some pre-release events tonight or next weekend. Then also convinced myself that maybe they also had healthy pioneer/modern nights I could go to and experience constructed play. What a fool I am. That whole business is straight up closed, some kind of tooth meddler's office there now.
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4/4 trample for G2 with multiple additional upsides...
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I love Monument to Perfection, I'm always begging for an excuse to pack as many non-basic lands in as I can. Don't think it'll be particularly good, probably better things to do if you're dicking around with 9 lands with diff names, but toxic 9 is just a nice big funny number of toxics to me.
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Monumental Facade has great art. Real "Elesh-compensatin'-for-something" energy going on there.
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They could have just changed the rules for Poisonous, exactly like they changed the rules for Lifelink. Nobody would have minded.
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Counterpoint: who cares that there's a new, slightly different keyword?
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I thought WoTC stopped doing vanity cards and yet they use my likeness for Bloated Contaminator
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snyprmag posted:I wonder if they're making another locus. Seems weird to reference them on the monument to just get the old ones. I'm not sure what direction they'd go with a new locus land that wouldn't make it super busted or dead useless in the face of glimmer/cloud post in legacy. Being on its own in standard would probably make it easier to balance in that respect.
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fadam posted:Counterpoint: who cares that there's a new, slightly different keyword? The game already has enough keywords and there's no need to add a redundant one
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snyprmag posted:I wonder if they're making another locus. Seems weird to reference them on the monument to just get the old ones. Could always just be a glimmerpost reprint.
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Keyword (basically not even a thing because it's going to have fourteen lines of text explaining it most of the time)
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GoutPatrol posted:Could always just be a glimmerpost reprint. Is cloudpost too good for standard/pioneer?
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snyprmag posted:Is cloudpost too good for standard/pioneer? Probably not for standard. Cloudpost is pretty slow if you don't have ways to ramp them out in the first few turns, plus there isn't a Vesuva/Thespian's stage in standard to get more than 4. Not 100% sure on pioneer, but I'd say it probably is too good for it. You get thespian's stage to get more loci, non-basic land ramp exists, and there are more big payoff cards to ramp into.
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Cloudpost in Standard means they absolutely cannot print any playable cheap-ish (4 or less) nonbasic ramp or cheap tutors for its entire stay.
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as a Kaya fanboy the spoiler leaves me with mixed feelings she's badass (as predicted), but she's like a passing ship in the night regarding artifacts and arrives too late, so storywise probably without impact edit: also I don't get Tyvar at all, like he's from a different set and got crunched into this one Goa Tse-tung fucked around with this message at 08:06 on Jan 7, 2023 |
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