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gradenko_2000 posted:Is the number of people killed by bikes even statistically significant? It's not like there's a cyclodomor being perpetrated in city streets No. Apparently the UK has about 3 people killed by cyclists each year, but I couldn't find any details on those deaths. For comparison, UK had about 1,600 traffic fatalities for 2021, so bicyclists kill less than 0.2% as cars. There was one story of a cyclist being sentenced to 18 months for killing a pedestrian! Which is nuts because car drivers don't face any sort of penalty like that. This 2018 article from NY Times states that 315 pedestrians were injured by cyclists around Manhattan. There isn't a death count anywhere, but the article makes it sound like a cyclist kills a pedestrian every few months. But cars killed 46 people in Manhattan in 2021, and injured over 9,000 people.
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Unfortunately the best way to get away with it is to use another car. On the plus side, that is two cars destroyed at once.
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Anyone who thinks cyclists can't be absolute assholes in traffic needs to try downtown Copenhagen in rush hour. Way more rear end in a top hat bikes than cars, though mostly because there are just way more bikes. All locals too, tourists don't have a chance in that kind of traffic. Pedestrians and bus riders can be assholes too, specifically when I'm pushing a baby stroller, some people refuse to go slightly out of their way so I can fit, or they will even lean on obviously non leanable surfaces. But yeah, rear end in a top hat on bike is at worst a broken arm, usually less, rear end in a top hat on foot is just an rear end in a top hat, rear end in a top hat on car kills people.
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Deadly Ham Sandwich posted:No. see bad posts like this are why I felt like I had to make my bad post on the last page, you're presenting this as a definitive answer to an ill-posed question because you are still pro-wheel in your heart. not because there is a statistical answer to the question of whether those 3 deaths/year in the UK are meaningful. they're in the UK tho so probably they aren't.
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Bikeweirds can't countenance even the slightest most gentle criticism of their hobby because they believe, axiomatically, that their rights are under relentless assault at all times and to even possibly bring up that some cyclists may behave in not the greatest manner is to reveal yourself to be an acolyte of the automotive Moloch.
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:Bikeweirds can't countenance even the slightest most gentle criticism of their hobby because they believe, axiomatically, that their rights are under relentless assault at all times and to even possibly bring up that some cyclists may behave in not the greatest manner is to reveal yourself to be an acolyte of the automotive Moloch. lmao just popping into the i hate cars thread to emphasize the dangers of cycling why are people mad at me!?
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Lmao, even. I don't know if I'm being lobbed in with the anti cyclists though, but to be clear, the pedal powered bicycle is the pinnacle of personal transportation.
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https://www.minnpost.com/cityscape/2023/01/need-a-new-years-resolution-try-walking/ I walked a couple miles for a chore and some fast food. Glad I did it but drat if it isn’t lovely sidewalk after lovely sidewalk.
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Irony.or.Death posted:in relation to what? there are no statistical tests you apply to a single number. like you could ask is a bike hitting someone more likely to kill them than another pedestrian hitting them or a car hitting them or something, or ask what they're more likely to be hit by, and with a little work frame those questions in statistical test terms, but the question as you put it doesn't make any sense. this is probably because people who don't spend their lives in a research setting only encounter the phrase being misused. i do not blame you, i blame the science writers. that's not entirely true, there are tests for comparing various estimators like the mean to a specific value, i.e. Ho: u=n vs. Ho: u!=n. But in this case, all you could do was compare, say the mean number of bicylists killed per unit time, or the percentage, etc. to a specific value, but that value is up to the person to choose.
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Fitzy Fitz posted:Just went for a leisurely bike ride monster
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:Bikeweirds can't countenance even the slightest most gentle criticism of their hobby because they believe, axiomatically, that their rights are under relentless assault at all times and to even possibly bring up that some cyclists may behave in not the greatest manner is to reveal yourself to be an acolyte of the automotive Moloch. I’m a certified bikeweird and I think it’s bad to go flying into or block a crosswalk with your bike when pedestrians have the right of way. don’t hit or frighten peds/wheelchair users/kids while riding, p simple stuff. now let’s crush cars into cubes.
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I wish there were pedestrians and cyclists to be mad at in my city. I'm shocked when I meet another pedestrian in this car hell hole.
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Admittedly I don't take public transit often, but at least in my neighbourhood I'm actually kind of impressed with the new streetcars' 'do not pass, doors are open/ing' warnings/lights.  (For those not from around here, that's the Spadina car which is almost always completely separated from traffic by the boarding island seen in the pic; most streetcar routes are not like this and you have to cross one or two lanes of traffic to get to the sidewalk. The text and warning sign light up when the doors are opening, along with flashing LED strips along the side of the vehicle. The old streetcars simply had a warning sticker in the back window.) I still always stick my head out and check because I've been nearly hit by drivers and cyclists a handful of times before. But almost every time I have in the past couple of years, I'm surprised to see a car actually just sitting there by the rear of the streetcar. I still miss the old CLRV streetcars though 
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Smythe posted:pedestrian supremacy is the ultimate urban planner purity test and I support it (tentatively) urban planners should definitely plan around walking and not cycling, yes. bikes are still good
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No longer content with hitting people directly, drivers are now scoring combos. CBC.ca: Light pole knocked down by delivery truck hits woman, leaving her with critical injuries. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/pedestrian-light-pole-critical-injuries-1.6706766 Mister Speaker posted:Admittedly I don't take public transit often, but at least in my neighbourhood I'm actually kind of impressed with the new streetcars' 'do not pass, doors are open/ing' warnings/lights. Drivers don't give a poo poo, I live above a streetcar stop and the evenings are a non-stop cacophony of streetcars laying it on at drivers racing to do a right turn through some passengers.
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Ensign Expendable posted:Drivers don't give a poo poo, I live above a streetcar stop and the evenings are a non-stop cacophony of streetcars laying it on at drivers racing to do a right turn through some passengers. Maybe people on Dundas West are just nicer.
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:Bikeweirds can't countenance even the slightest most gentle criticism of their hobby because they believe, axiomatically, that their rights are under relentless assault at all times and to even possibly bring up that some cyclists may behave in not the greatest manner is to reveal yourself to be an acolyte of the automotive Moloch. lmao this new av is perfect
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I realize some people are just pretending not to understand this but. Saying "cyclists can be dangerous too" is obnoxious because it's not deployed to engage with the nuance of the multimodal urban environment but solely to deflect critiques of drivers and blame the status quo on victims. Stalling and deflection are the fundamental tactics of urban reactionaries. So in conclusion, suck my dick off of my torso. Goodbye
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Most of the reason cyclists are dangerous to themselves or pedestrians is from lack of infrastructure anyways, you wouldn’t drive on a sidewalk or walk on a highway, but that’s essentially what you’re stuck doing on a bike in north america. tl;dr gently caress cars
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if you want to go on the sidewalk with your bike you’re welcome to hop off and walk it. never had a pedestrian ring at me to get out of the way and get mad if I don’t hear you. it’s not that hard, as you see I’m literally walking here.
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Nitevision posted:I realize some people are just pretending not to understand this but. Saying "cyclists can be dangerous too" is obnoxious because it's not deployed to engage with the nuance of the multimodal urban environment but solely to deflect critiques of drivers and blame the status quo on victims. Stalling and deflection are the fundamental tactics of urban reactionaries. So in conclusion, suck my dick off of my torso. Goodbye thats right
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mawarannahr posted:if you want to go on the sidewalk with your bike you’re welcome to hop off and walk it. never had a pedestrian ring at me to get out of the way and get mad if I don’t hear you. it’s not that hard, as you see I’m literally walking here. anyone who tells a pedestrian to get out of their way on their bike is in the wrong and so is anyone who says bicyclists need to get off their bikes on the sidewalk. it's that simple. just go around them instead of through them, they have right of way
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I spent from 2005 till 2019 basically walking constantly around seattle and there's been about one time exactly that I was like "man that biker might hurt someone" and it was walking along the sidewalk on university ave between 45th and 47th and a bicyclist buzzed me while I was walkin with headphones and I was mildly irritated. Most people tend to ride in the street in that area anyway especially now. silicone thrills has issued a correction as of 04:26 on Jan 8, 2023 |
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This is the I hate cars thread not the I hate wheeled vehicles even if they don't have motors thread!!silicone thrills posted:I spent from 2005 till 2019 basically walking constantly around seattle and there's been about one time exactly that I was like "man that biker might hurt someone" and it was walking along the sidewalk on university ave between 45th and 47th and a bicyclist buzzed me while I was walkin with headphones and I was mildly chuffed. ... you were mildly pleased?
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eXXon posted:This is the I hate cars thread not the I hate wheeled vehicles even if they don't have motors thread!! man i was always under the impression that chuffed meant bad.  im dumb. I was like a step below irritated. idk
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eXXon posted:This is the I hate cars thread not the I hate wheeled vehicles even if they don't have motors thread!! the way car infrastructure results in this situation is relevant. in general it’s natural to compare cars and bikes as conveyances in different ways, especially because there are things you can do with a car you might not accomplish pedestrianly but could with a bike.
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silicone thrills posted:man i was always under the impression that chuffed meant bad. English is stupid and it means both lmao https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/chuffed
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hailthefish posted:English is stupid and it means both lmao https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/chuffed I am really chuffed about this!!
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hailthefish posted:English is stupid and it means both lmao https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/chuffed Huh. well. I guess I just probably wouldn't use it anymore because of that confusion. I'd only heard it in the context of something someone would be displeased about, never happy about. god this language is garbage.
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silicone thrills posted:god this language is garbage. many such cases. bitte!
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silicone thrills posted:Huh. well. I guess I just probably wouldn't use it anymore because of that confusion. I'd only heard it in the context of something someone would be displeased about, never happy about. I've never seen it used for anything but something someone would pleased about, myself
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