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just hanging out with the bros, doing the ol' group poop
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God drat quintus what are you eating the sponge is all greasy
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Jan 7, 2023 22:52
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EmptyVessel posted:If you can't be sure of what the recipe actually translates as you should probably hold off on claiming that it's precise. Here's the lime bit of the recipe, you be the judge if it's precise. I would suggest that area in which it lacks precision is in the time between slaking the lime and the mixing of the mortar. It's still pretty precise. 
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Jan 7, 2023 22:55
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i think the ambiguity is not so much how precise it is or what it leaves out (paradoxically, the amount of information there could have caused people to overlook that it might not be the entire process, which is I think what the researchers are getting at when they say it's 'highly precise but vague') but that vitruvius never told anyone to slake lime. the word he uses is "extincta"; "extinguished", but of course since we know that you slake lime to make concrete, it makes more sense to translate that as slaked. so people have previously focused on the ash as being the source of the 'healing' as it was the one major difference to our process, while the new research has traced down material evidence that at least some of the lime was not slaked during the process, which might indicate that either the recipe is incomplete despite its exhaustive details (proportions are entirely fine when the purpose of the recipe is to define how to make an undefined amount of product) or imo that it's possible we simply projected our own knowledge of how to make concrete onto the recipe itself and made assumptions from there. disclaimer i am not a concretician.
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Jan 7, 2023 23:29
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this is the most boring thing since cuneiform warehouse inventories
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Jan 7, 2023 23:48
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manmade rock is cool imo. what was the mix on egyptian concrete, romans probably stole it from them anyway
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Jan 8, 2023 00:03
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i say swears online posted:this is the most boring thing since cuneiform warehouse inventories wait till you get into the weeds of what percentage of paleolithic grain seeds are GMO'd at any given site
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Jan 8, 2023 00:07
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Ghostlight posted:i think the ambiguity is not so much how precise it is or what it leaves out (paradoxically, the amount of information there could have caused people to overlook that it might not be the entire process, which is I think what the researchers are getting at when they say it's 'highly precise but vague') but that vitruvius never told anyone to slake lime. the word he uses is "extincta"; "extinguished", but of course since we know that you slake lime to make concrete, it makes more sense to translate that as slaked. so people have previously focused on the ash as being the source of the 'healing' as it was the one major difference to our process, while the new research has traced down material evidence that at least some of the lime was not slaked during the process, which might indicate that either the recipe is incomplete despite its exhaustive details (proportions are entirely fine when the purpose of the recipe is to define how to make an undefined amount of product) or imo that it's possible we simply projected our own knowledge of how to make concrete onto the recipe itself and made assumptions from there. Thanks I was wondering what the Latin was. The chemical reaction of quicklime to slaked lime takes some time, so it seems to me you could follow that recipe as written in english and be mixing slaked and quick limes at the same time. It does seem like it could all just be quicklime though that's fresh from the kiln.
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Jan 8, 2023 00:11
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Charlatan Eschaton posted:manmade rock is cool imo. timestamp'd for recipe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bn304vsLuLY&t=195s
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Jan 8, 2023 00:12
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indigi posted:they're so fuckin close together haha I’d never put my hand on your thigh at the ancient Roman toilet …unless?
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Jan 8, 2023 00:50
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blumpkins were way more normal c. 33 ad
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Jan 8, 2023 00:52
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good luck making tribune if your toilet throat game wasn't on point
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Jan 8, 2023 00:53
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i say swears online posted:timestamp'd for recipe tefnut's secret ingredient
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Jan 8, 2023 00:56
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Lol the new season of the Netflix Ottomans show is out and Radu is in it. of course since this is the Turkish Government version of the story he's just "Radu the Also the re-enacted parts keep showing Vlad as an insane cartoon villain despite all the Romanian historians interviewed saying the exact opposite
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Jan 8, 2023 00:59
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a few days ago i just typed in 'documentaries' on netflix and one of the first results was some ancient aliens poo poo
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Jan 8, 2023 01:00
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i say swears online posted:a few days ago i just typed in 'documentaries' on netflix and one of the first results was some ancient aliens poo poo pbs shows that poo poo now after real shows like nova. its sad their series "secrets of the dead" is guilty of insanely bad history from the few ive seen. the one about carthaginians in south america cause theres some red headed incans had me like "ok who took the bribe from this disgraced german classicist and let this air"
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Real hurthling! posted:pbs shows that poo poo now after real shows like nova. its sad oh that's way worse. god dammit
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i say swears online posted:a few days ago i just typed in 'documentaries' on netflix and one of the first results was some ancient aliens poo poo 
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Jan 8, 2023 01:03
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ancient aliens used to be fun when nobody believed it. crazy hair guy needs to atone
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Jan 8, 2023 01:04
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im sad i know exactly who crazy hair guy is
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indigi posted:ancient aliens used to be fun when nobody believed it. crazy hair guy needs to atone Hate to break it to you but that's been something lots of people have been seriously into for decades. Look at how many copies Chariots of the Gods? sold. The show was just it going mainstream.
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Jan 8, 2023 01:06
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indigi posted:ancient aliens used to be fun when nobody believed it. crazy hair guy needs to atone sci-fi shelby foote
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Jan 8, 2023 01:09
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If you take out "no strong opinions whatsoever" ancient aliens believers definitely outnumber us big brains at least in America..
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Jan 8, 2023 01:15
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von daniken sent a crank letter to gerald ford in 1976 claiming that ancient aliens could reinvigorate religious belief and fight communism https://www.jasoncolavito.com/the-von-daniken-letter.html
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Azathoth posted:Hate to break it to you but that's been something lots of people have been seriously into for decades. Look at how many copies Chariots of the Gods? sold. The show was just it going mainstream. someone gave me a copy of that and I never read it but now I want to see how crazy it is and I regret giving it away lmao
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War and Pieces posted:If you take out "no strong opinions whatsoever" ancient aliens believers definitely outnumber us big brains at least in America.. Just look at how many posts are in this thread vs the cspam aliens thread
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At least David Icke et al have the decency to say that at a certain point the aliens are just invisible and magic ie literally Gods
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Endman posted:someone gave me a copy of that and I never read it but now I want to see how crazy it is and I regret giving it away lmao Unfortunately, it's not really fun to read on that front, and this comes from a guy who loves crazy UFO books. Basically the author looks at a whole bunch of awesome poo poo non-white people did and, with a confidence only summonable by a mediocre white man, solemnly declares that because white people couldn't do it, it must be aliens. It's worth reading as a historical artifact, because it was mainstream popular when it was released, and it has direct echoes in modern conspiracy culture. And I don't mean UFO culture, to be clear, though it looms large there too, of course.
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i say swears online posted:this is the most boring thing since cuneiform warehouse inventories Ea-nasir-rear end post
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Endman posted:someone gave me a copy of that and I never read it but now I want to see how crazy it is and I regret giving it away lmao it's not even kooky funny, von daniken just runs through a bunch of ancient stuff he says could be aliens. he ripped off morning of the magicians which imo is a little more wacky, a couple of French mystics talking about nazi occultism and flying saucers. a lot of the texts that followed von daniken were way more out there, getting explicit about the nephilim stuff we see everywhere now, whereas he plays coy and keeps saying he's just asking questions that the establishment won't answer. he overplayed his hand in one of his sequels saying he found a massive cave system in Ecuador filled with techno wonders and people actually bothered to fact check him, afterwards I think is when he fully threw in with the genre he'd popularized and dropped the question mark, so to speak
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Azathoth posted:Unfortunately, it's not really fun to read on that front, and this comes from a guy who loves crazy UFO books. Basically the author looks at a whole bunch of awesome poo poo non-white people did and, with a confidence only summonable by a mediocre white man, solemnly declares that because white people couldn't do it, it must be aliens. what he said edit: I should shill my paranormal book review blog here, with many ufo entries https://paperbackgods.blogspot.com/search/label/ufos to build off of what azathoth said, chariots of the gods was just a sci-fi updating of the lost white gods/white Jesus myth which held that, well, white looking Jesus came over to South America and taught everyone there civilization as the god Quetzalcoatl. Celts, vikings, or other ancient euro populations could be slotted in as having really built whatever ruins were found around the world, great Zimbabwe for example, always a convenient narrative for settlers that actually white people were here first and the savages murdered them - Andrew Jackson believed in a lost white civilization in America which he mentioned as a justification for extirpating the native people von daniken was a "naturally occurring" con artist taking advantage of a market, but many ufo figures like brinsley le poer trench and the crew at the flying saucer review were spooked up reactionaries Dr. Jerrold Coe has issued a correction as of 02:04 on Jan 8, 2023 |
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My highschool physics professor had a degree in archeology he got in his spare time after he got his degree in physics (thanks to growing up before Yugoslavia started collapsing) and he loved using certain examples during lessons to dunk on "you needed alien technology to make the pyramids" bullshit. Like, he haaaaated the alien stuff with a burning passion
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when you think about it, ancient Egyptians basically would be aliens to us if we met them today. whoa
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kooks could at least have the decency to be entertaining smdh
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indigi posted:when you think about it, ancient Egyptians basically would be aliens to us if we met them today. whoa I think I would get along with the workers who went on strike for more beer
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as always when the topic comes up I just want to mention that it's barely a coincidence that ancient alien theories are fundamentally racist, that the modern field is almost entirely built on von daniken's book or its hoax source materials or derivatives, and that said book was edited and revised under a pseudonym by a former editor of die hitlerjugend, and that mysteriously none of this information is available on the english language wikipedia.
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Dr. Jerrold Coe posted:what he said Share your books and link in this thread: Post Pictures of Weird and Wonderful Books It would fit right in.
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Ghostlight posted:as always when the topic comes up I just want to mention that it's barely a coincidence that ancient alien theories are fundamentally racist, that the modern field is almost entirely built on von daniken's book or its hoax source materials or derivatives, and that said book was edited and revised under a pseudonym by a former editor of die hitlerjugend, and that mysteriously none of this information is available on the english language wikipedia. I swear his wikipedia page used to be more filled out but I don't see it in the edit history. anyways here's scraps about wilhelm utermann from google: quote:The first draft of the publication had been rejected by a variety of publishers. The book was extensively rewritten by its editor, Wilhelm Roggersdorf (a pen name of the German screenwriter Wilhelm "Utz" Utermann). Utermann had been a Nazi bestselling author and had held a leading position with the Völkischer Beobachter.[1][2] quote:Nazis meeting their just rewards after the war gets much publicity, but for every Nazi who faced justice, a hundred others melted back into the population. One of the Nazis who escaped justice was a propagandist named Wilhelm Utermann. Even with the assistance of Google, I could find very little on Utermann, possibly because he continued working under assumed names to avoid attention. Aliases included Wilhelm Roggersdorf, Utz Utermann, and Mathias Racker. In 1968, he was hired to edit a book that repackaged the Ahnenerbe’s ideas for the Space Age, replacing “ancient Aryans” with the more palatable “ancient Aliens.” That book was Chariots of the Gods? by Erich von Däniken. in one of his later books von daniken wonders whether black people were a "failed experiment" by the aliens before they created white people. his aliens are blonde and blue eyed of course: https://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/the-astonishing-racial-claims-of-erich-von-daniken Dr. Jerrold Coe has issued a correction as of 03:33 on Jan 8, 2023 |
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ArmTheHomeless posted:Share your books and link in this thread: ive posted a couple times in that thread! I hope gutter phoenix is okay, he's been awol from his threads for a while : /
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Dr. Jerrold Coe posted:ive posted a couple times in that thread! I hope gutter phoenix is okay, he's been awol from his threads for a while : / I recced it to ArmTheHomeless cause he linked your blog to me because I am a giant book nerd. Hard to remember who has posted where about what at this point lol. I didn't realize Gutter Phoenix was MIA, that thread moves so slow 
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