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Kharmakazy posted:A lot of the quests just irk me so. A thing you'll have to accept about the WoL as a character is they're pretty much up for doing whatev
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Kharmakazy posted:A lot of the quests just irk me so. Yeah you're an adventurer. your job is to help out whoever however you can. You are the fuckin best at it. "Oh that old farmer needs someone to rake up some poo poo so he can plant some seeds when his back isn't hurting? Buddy I'm going to pick that poo poo up AND plant your crops." ZenMasterBullshit fucked around with this message at 02:46 on Jan 8, 2023 |
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I imagine the WoL as someone who is just constantly outvoted by their adrenaline glands regardless of how smart they are. Is picking a fight with [X] a good idea? Of course not! It's still happening though.
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Jan 8, 2023 02:36
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Kharmakazy posted:A lot of the quests just irk me so. This will eventually come up in the story. I strongly advise you do the Dark Knight quests when they're available to you; they're heavily involved with the question of "what does it mean to be the WoL and do what the WoL is asked to do?" EDIT: Also, yeah, this is characterization for the WoL. I go with "extreme sense of duty to the universe, very sweet, very flighty" for mine.
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ffxiv also doesn't really imply that the WoL is particularly busy most of the time. you regularly get parts of the MSQ where characters are like "take five, I'll call you when something noteworthy happens" and even when you're on a more pointed quest it's usually not really a detour to ask if anyone needs you to pick up some eggs and milk on your way back from the killing primals store. if you weren't helping people you'd just be Vibing which is certainly nice but the WoL presumably likes to keep busy and definitely likes helping people. there are definitely a few points in the story where it's weird timing wise but they aren't the majority.
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I haven't received a creepy /tell in a long time, but back when I used to get them a bunch it was, of all places, the Saint Coinach's Find in Mor Dhona. Every time. Been getting a whole lot of compliments on my SCH glam recently though. Thanks Ameliance! 
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Countblanc posted:ffxiv also doesn't really imply that the WoL is particularly busy most of the time. you regularly get parts of the MSQ where characters are like "take five, I'll call you when something noteworthy happens" and even when you're on a more pointed quest it's usually not really a detour to ask if anyone needs you to pick up some eggs and milk on your way back from the killing primals store. if you weren't helping people you'd just be Vibing which is certainly nice but the WoL presumably likes to keep busy and definitely likes helping people. I like how there's several points where you show up and people are like "Hey, great to see you, we've got this well in hand, there's literally nothing we need you to do" and you keep talking to people until they find something for you to do.
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Jan 8, 2023 02:46
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A lot of the "wait for us to research the thing" gaps are in the patch quests, I think, so there'd be a several month gap irl in-between.
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MadFriarAvelyn posted:I haven't received a creepy /tell in a long time, but back when I used to get them a bunch it was, of all places, the Saint Coinach's Find in Mor Dhona. Every time.  I went for more of a "too cool for school" style, but I think it's almost mandatory to play around in this space for the nerd jobs. And yes, I'm keeping the skirt on my new body. 
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On a side note, how long have you been able to just type emotes in /gpose instead of picking them from the UI? I found that completely by accident, tabbed back into the game and forgot I'd already pulled it up.
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I mostly just don't like talking to A to get a quest, they send me to B, B sends me to C who tells me to make X, I make X but now I have to go back to A give x to them, but they immediately give it back and tell me to go back to B who sends me back to C who sends me back to A for the reward. Like I get it, I just feel like they padded some of these out with an unnecessary amount of busy work.
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Kharmakazy posted:I mostly just don't like talking to A to get a quest, they send me to B, B sends me to C who tells me to make X, I make X but now I have to go back to A give x to them, but they immediately give it back and tell me to go back to B who sends me back to C who sends me back to A for the reward. Thatssss ARR bebbeh
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To be fair, that's most of the MSQ, it's just that you're doing more interesting stuff for people and places you're more invested in, not for some Company of Heroes dickweed who thinks you can't kill a god despite having already done so.
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Mainwaring posted:Thatssss ARR bebbeh that's the whole game tbh
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Kharmakazy posted:A lot of the quests just irk me so. Well I mean at that point, to most people, you're not a Warrior of Light. You're some dude that showed up doing errands, and hey they've got MORE errands! Around that point the errands are a little bit dippy, true, but it's an MMO, what else are ya gonna do?
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By the third hildebrand questline it is firmly established your character is only there because they find this poo poo hilarious and it was a change for a better. Although the number of beast tribe dailies that are literally go to point A, then point B are still terrible. At least we haven't gone back to the depths of feeding an elephant 3 times, and you have to go back and forward between the food and the elephant each time.
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FeatherFloat posted:Well I mean at that point, to most people, you're not a Warrior of Light. You're some dude that showed up doing errands, and hey they've got MORE errands! It's not the errands that I mind so much as the superfluous number of steps involved in each one. I've finished all the crafting tasks for 5 crafting classes (for now, they won't give me any past 50 yet) so it's not like I hate the mechanic entirely, I just would prefer they toned down the traveling between steps when it's not necessary. Edit: I guess 2 land and 3 hand technically. I enjoyed botany and mining. Cousin Todd fucked around with this message at 04:04 on Jan 8, 2023 |
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Antivehicular posted:This will eventually come up in the story. I strongly advise you do the Dark Knight quests when they're available to you; they're heavily involved with the question of "what does it mean to be the WoL and do what the WoL is asked to do?" I found out there's an auto translate addon and very soon I'll be doing either the French or German DRK questline that, like the Japanese, has 'contemplative, lonely wol' and not 'angry 'gently caress you' wol. At least that's what I can gather from fan translations I've found, they were not...exhaustive. I know I'm in the minority but the eng version of that question line did not gel with my wol's inner voice at all. TheWorldsaStage fucked around with this message at 05:55 on Jan 8, 2023 |
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 A friend mentioned that if the WoL ate something off the ground, G'raha would as well before Estinien could even blink. And we're both a little confused at the ramen on Y'shtola. I can recognize it as Shin Black, and I get a chuckle out of it, but the connection's too vague to elucidate.
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My new xaela fantasia:  
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came together with some buds to clear criterion sil'dihn subterrane tonight still kinda shaky on one of the rat's mechanics but the rest I feel like I could perform in savage
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Got BLM to 70. Nice, but not really my style.  There we go. Finally I can use the Cyclas of Casting my FC-mate made like 12 levels back. I love popping into a duty and the tank's in, like, a comfy sweater and moogle slippers, and I rock up in more armor than some Fending sets have.
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TheWorldsaStage posted:I found out there's an auto translate addon and very soon I'll be doing either the French or German DRK questline that, like the Japanese, has 'contemplative, lonely wol' and not 'angry 'gently caress you' wol. You're not alone, I happen to think that the english translation is absolute rear end in multiple ways. Not only does it obscure and omit details, it also changes character voices in a way that works for the intro quest set but falls apart to pieces in 61-70 and also makes the rapport between the characters vicious and unfriendly when they're supposed to be true companions. I talked about this with a friend and the conclusion we arrived at is that the DRK questline deliberately and purposefully traded a more universalist writing approach for a much more provincial kind of writing, aimed at getting an NA, and more specifically USA audience, to really like the class. They certainly put in effort and seemed to have succeeded very well, but since I don't share a lot of the traditional USA values due to, well, not being born or living in the USA, it sticks out as tremendously jarring and off-tone from what I'd expect out of the Warrior of Light. Notably, neither the JP script nor the two other translations have that issue.
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Is there any guide to those changes somewhere? I'd be interested in learning more.
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Funnily enough I'm not American either but I vastly prefer EN DRK to the other language scripts.
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Antivehicular posted:Is there any guide to those changes somewhere? I'd be interested in learning more. I vastly prefer the EN localization version of the DRK quests, personally. Especially because Fray writing themselves into your quest log is an EN localization invention. It doesn't exist in the original. GilliamYaeger fucked around with this message at 12:39 on Jan 8, 2023 |
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GilliamYaeger posted:Here's a somewhat detailed post someone made on the translation differences on another forum. drat japan is missing out on some quality quests then
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GilliamYaeger posted:Here's a somewhat detailed post someone made on the translation differences on another forum. Man, StB DRK was so loving good and it's wild to think that it's mostly just EN.
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GilliamYaeger posted:Here's a somewhat detailed post someone made on the translation differences on another forum. From reading that, I'm gonna say I prefer JP Fray but EN Myste, but that's probably because I do jive very well with the angle EN Myste puts forward, while EN Fray is the only character in the entire game I've ever disliked so much I considered not pursuing the questline solely so I wouldn't have to keep dealing with them. But also, in reading that there's a minor change around Fray that I think actually worsens the story, at least for someone like me. (Spoiler-tagging this because at least one person here hasn't done it but probably wants to) In the original JP script, Fray is actually Fray, at least on a base functional level; it's their soul and feelings as essentially the devil on your shoulder. I actually think that's a lot better as an idea, because it then leaves it more to you as to how much of this the WoL actually thinks about and agrees with. Meanwhile the EN Fray basically just being the WoL's Shadow right out of a Persona 4 dungeon instead takes interpretation of your own character away from you and goes 'no, you are secretly a gripey edgelord who actually hates all this being helpful stuff'--and even through all of that post's gushing about EN DRK, it still points out that message sinks like a loving rock if you're a person that generally likes being helpful to others. JP Fray has an amount of distance that lets you disagree with them, which I think helps the story go down a lot better if that's where you land. Cleretic fucked around with this message at 13:03 on Jan 8, 2023 |
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Transient People posted:You're not alone, I happen to think that the english translation is absolute rear end in multiple ways. Not only does it obscure and omit details, it also changes character voices in a way that works for the intro quest set but falls apart to pieces in 61-70 and also makes the rapport between the characters vicious and unfriendly when they're supposed to be true companions. I talked about this with a friend and the conclusion we arrived at is that the DRK questline deliberately and purposefully traded a more universalist writing approach for a much more provincial kind of writing, aimed at getting an NA, and more specifically USA audience, to really like the class. They certainly put in effort and seemed to have succeeded very well, but since I don't share a lot of the traditional USA values due to, well, not being born or living in the USA, it sticks out as tremendously jarring and off-tone from what I'd expect out of the Warrior of Light. Notably, neither the JP script nor the two other translations have that issue. Maybe I'm unique in this, though I really don't think so, but as an NA player from the USA that isn't the feeling I got from it. I need to do the 61-70 quests for DRK, but the 30-50 and 51-60 chains were approached differently but weren't entirely separate in their central point. For me the 30-50 chain is about that piece of the WoL that feels negative towards others who don't help themselves, whether that's resentment, frustration, dislike, apathy or whatever, no matter how large or small your WoL actually thinks those things. (Mine is very little, she likes helping people.) Untrained as the WoL is with DRK when they get the soul crystal, those feelings get amplified (slightly, very drastically or somewhere in-between) and eventually embodied, and they have to put that embodiment in its place before it takes over. It's still there, still a part of them and a power to use as a DRK, but it's not in charge. The 51-60 chain is about, very explicitly, love and how it drives everyone, but specifically how DRKs are driven by it. The story primarily uses familial love, but also showcases a love for religion overpowering it, demonstrating that love isn't always unconditional and how a found family can be more important than an original one. Of course, Big, Tough Sidurgu with the emotional breadth of a hairline fracture doesn't fully understand, but he's at least realizing that now. Rielle learns that his supposed apathy and frustration were driven by emotional immaturity rather than actually being what they seemed, and she wants to help him find that understanding just like he's helped her find a family. It's not the healthiest relationship, for sure, but it's better than either had before the chain started. I've only done the first one or two quests of 61-70, but I fully expect it to continue the trend of showing that a DRK is driven by all of their emotions, not just frustration, apathy and trauma.
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Cleretic posted:From reading that, I'm gonna say I prefer JP Fray but EN Myste, but that's probably because I do jive very well with the angle EN Myste puts forward, while EN Fray is the only character in the entire game I've ever disliked so much I considered not pursuing the questline solely so I wouldn't have to keep dealing with them.
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I've never had any problems with the 30-50 chain because I've never thought of my WoL as a perfect saint. Even good people that are happy to sacrifice their time and effort for others are going to have breaking points where they simply can't carry more. And like that translation post mentions, DRK 30-50 is unique because its really very clearly intended to be done early in Heavensward when the WoL is still reeling from the bloody banquet (this could be argued as a flaw I suppose considering every other job questline is mostly timeline agnostic). They are at one of, if not the darkest emotional point in the entire Hydaelyn-Zodiark saga so it makes sense that any irritation and frustration they have at being an errand boy/girl/enby would boil over. Personally, I like that. It adds depth to a character that is otherwise just there to punch their palm and inflict violence on whatever Alphinaud points at. I guess I can understand why people would be upset with that characterization being forced on them, but I dunno, its the character trait of "having emotions". Heck, I almost think its a story that gets improved by the later revelations of Shadowbringers. We are deeply flawed, totally imperfect beings...and we still rose up to be better than what was expected of us.
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World War Mammories posted:sickening and heartbreaking truths
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GilliamYaeger posted:Really? I thought it was the exact opposite - that, no matter how tired or fed up or angry the WoL gets at people asking them for help, they still want to do it, and they'll never stop even if their frustrations physically manifest and start screaming at them. And it's a message that hits super hard if you're doing this as soon as you hit Heavensward, since at this point you've been betrayed and exiled (even if only in name only) for only wanting to do the right thing! Even in the wake of that tragedy - one that basically broke Alphinaud - the WoL continues undaunted, despite their reservations. Just like how true courage isn't the absence of fear but the overcoming of it, WoL's good nature is only made stronger by how they don't just mindlessly smile and do what's asked of them. They have inner struggles that push against the very concept of helping others (struggles that briefly become external ones across the DRK quest) and it's by overcoming those challenges their true strength of character shines forth. Yeah, I don't think that isn't there in the JP version if that's how you read it. But frankly, I don't imagine my WoL having those frustrations, in very large part because I myself don't. In fact I always felt like it was artificially pushed in ARR DRK; pretty much every NPC that asks you for a favor anywhere else is actually very nice about asking and grateful that you did it, it's basically only in DRK that you get someone who's a total rear end in a top hat about it. So to me JP Fray actually meshes very well; I don't imagine the WoL as having that internal voice, but JP Fray forces them to answer those questions anyway, putting that to the test. It seems ambiguous as to how much of JP Fray's assertions are Fray versus how much is the WoL, so it could be entirely internal if you want--but EN Fray takes away that choice, constantly declaring things that just didn't resonate to me at all. Ironically, for being a job that basically exists in opposition to the Holy See, EN Fray feels preachy to me because of that; it's very forceful and demanding of a response I don't agree with at all. This is all why I probably do accept it about Myste; because I absolutely mesh with Myste's angle (even if I'm still pissed that Ysayle never even gets mentioned in it; no, Myste having her hair doesn't count in a questlike that explicitly brought back and called to so many others). On a more academic level I think that yes, JP Myste would be better for the same reason of introducing distance so that someone who doesn't mesh with it, because EN Myste probably feels even more preachy to someone who disagrees with him than EN Fray does to me. But it doesn't bother me as much because at least I actually agree with EN Myste.
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Onean posted:https://twitter.com/WindUp_Mercy/status/1611962981566251010?s=20&t=6uYDAv6YMt3MVFY5PkSeyA lol
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GilliamYaeger posted:Here's a somewhat detailed post someone made on the translation differences on another forum. Not just your quest log, Esteem even manages to get their opinion into the EE... (DRK 60-70 spoilers)  Was a  moment when I realized the shift in tone from the rest of the book for this entry.
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Galaga Galaxian posted:Not just your quest log, Esteem even manages to get their opinion into the EE... (DRK 60-70 spoilers) Holy poo poo I missed this entirely
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