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Heavy_D
Feb 16, 2002

"rararararara" contains the meaning of everything, kept in simple rectangular structures

Fellis posted:

Watch ro16 Day A, best starcraft in awhile

https://youtu.be/UFLNgvGq5nQ

Now I'm caught up, my theory on why: because this round featured the maximum possible number of games with Shine. For the entertainment value he's my favourite Zerg, and I'm so glad he's through to Ro8.

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Elyv
Jun 14, 2013



Heavy_D posted:

Now I'm caught up, my theory on why: because this round featured the maximum possible number of games with Shine. For the entertainment value he's my favourite Zerg, and I'm so glad he's through to Ro8.

Ro8 spoilers: his ro8 games were really bad

Elyv fucked around with this message at 07:58 on Sep 18, 2022

Nostalgamus
Sep 28, 2010

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPD1TYnJH5s
Game 3 of the winners match is amazing.
Also, holy poo poo Soulkey.

Fellis
Feb 14, 2012

Kid, don't threaten me. There are worse things than death, and uh, I can do all of them.

Nostalgamus posted:

Also, holy poo poo Soulkey.

I thought I knew the outcome going into the final set, but goddamn he just completely trounced Queen

abuse culture.
Sep 8, 2004
Group D spoilers

how tf does p win pvz on neo arkanoid lol. If you go corsairs you insta die to hydras. Gateway man? Rush robo and scout with a shuttle while getting reaver? Map seems sparkle-tier

Elyv
Jun 14, 2013



abuse culture. posted:

Group D spoilers

how tf does p win pvz on neo arkanoid lol. If you go corsairs you insta die to hydras. Gateway man? Rush robo and scout with a shuttle while getting reaver? Map seems sparkle-tier

I've wondered the same thing, three entrances is brutal. 2006-2007 is right before I started watching BW so I don't know what people did differently back then

Fozzy The Bear
Dec 11, 1999

Nothing much, watching the game, drinking a bud
Match 1 from the round of 8 was so bad. :(

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003
neo arachnoid should not be in the map pool.

Loiku
Jul 10, 2007
I've enjoyed the games on neo arachnoid where someone didn't just immediately die to their opponent rushing down the temples (what few of them there were). You can definitely see some players didn't practice for it. That was the only game in the round of 8 match one that seemed somewhat interesting.

DEEP STATE PLOT
Aug 13, 2008

Yes...Ha ha ha...YES!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jlkEuTFGxc

this series does not disappoint, especially game 5

Fozzy The Bear
Dec 11, 1999

Nothing much, watching the game, drinking a bud

DEEP STATE PLOT posted:

this series does not disappoint

Fun games, I wanted both players to win

Nostalgamus
Sep 28, 2010

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeiXy50w3rE
Good TvT, if you're into that.

Elyv
Jun 14, 2013



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YemEwiXMbdo

Hero/Snow was weird, I thought all the games were interesting despite it being a 3-0.

DEEP STATE PLOT
Aug 13, 2008

Yes...Ha ha ha...YES!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYFKTINvULA

goddamn that's some good starcraft holy hell :popeye:

DEEP STATE PLOT fucked around with this message at 16:11 on Oct 10, 2022

Fozzy The Bear
Dec 11, 1999

Nothing much, watching the game, drinking a bud
The last game was so crazy

DTurtle
Apr 10, 2011


The whole series was amazing, with the last game being a nail biter to the end.

Really fun to watch.

Nostalgamus
Sep 28, 2010

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKUKzB43E2o
That's not the outcome I was expecting throughout the games, impressive comeback from Rush.

Fozzy The Bear
Dec 11, 1999

Nothing much, watching the game, drinking a bud
Third place video is up.

DEEP STATE PLOT
Aug 13, 2008

Yes...Ha ha ha...YES!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_XB0yxSyZo

royal wasn't even on my radar to make it to quarterfinals let alone winning the whole drat thing lmao, good for him

DEEP STATE PLOT fucked around with this message at 21:12 on Oct 19, 2022

Khorne
May 1, 2002

DEEP STATE PLOT posted:

royal wasn't even on my radar to make it to quarterfinals let alone winning the whole drat thing lmao, good for him
I like how he used a 1 port wraith harass to get on a quick 3 base & delay his opponent's push enough to catch back up. It was scary because he had a miscontrol and fell behind at some point, but he still managed to come back through unreal play. He was macroing 5 bases, 3 offensive fronts, loading up dropships at home, and defending a drop in two locations at the same time in that game. Absolutely insane even by ASL finals standards.

Fozzy The Bear
Dec 11, 1999

Nothing much, watching the game, drinking a bud
ASL and GSL done for the year... :(

Herstory Begins Now
Aug 5, 2003
SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>
there's a second gsl super tournament in a month, no?

Fozzy The Bear
Dec 11, 1999

Nothing much, watching the game, drinking a bud
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qB71Le-iSw&t=10473s

Tastless LAN party. For the next 1-2 minutes, the casters are just making GBS threads on how Artosis acts on his stream. :lol:

Herstory Begins Now
Aug 5, 2003
SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>
timestamp for by far the craziest game of that entire tournament

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qB71Le-iSw&t=8250s

Khorne
May 1, 2002
This is from the s8 asl finals a few years ago, flash vs snow, 1h 2m 50s in, flash's micro was so good here. Various marines and vultures are one hit away from dying for a decent portion of this push and he manages to both drag them out of range and still use them to fight back while controlling the other units at the same time.

Snow did some neat tricks too, the goon loses its shields and he takes it a few pixels out of range so the bunker switches to the zealot then runs by while the goon takes no hits.

Flash does some three card monte stuff with the bunker at one point. You can't even tell which marine is the low one anymore until flash decides to preemptively tuck it into the bunker in preparation for another unit coming out of the fog. Timing-wise it's lined up with constant gateway production from when the last unit came.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uDAPoICEBg&t=3770s

That this is happening vs snow is even more impressive given he has some of the best control around in situations like this.

also, the part where flash sends 1 marine to rundown a dragoon is impressive too... who does that

Khorne fucked around with this message at 20:06 on Nov 9, 2022

anchorpunch
Mar 30, 2006
good news, for the ASL free time: Artosis is doing regular casts on his YouTube channel ArtosisCasts again, started a few weeks ago. Nice stuff , e. g:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXFFORxdDmQ


Also I really recommend SayianKMC channel with the new season of KMC just started.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEM64Wf_9EM

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003
How come pro players never seem to focus fire on buildings once they are inside a base?

skasion
Feb 13, 2012

Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?

Mooseontheloose posted:

How come pro players never seem to focus fire on buildings once they are inside a base?

Opportunity cost basically. Most buildings don’t shoot back and many also have a buttload of health, so they’re less attractive targets compared to what you could be killing—his economy and soldiers. If you kill all the other guys buildings first instead of his workers/army, he will pick off your army while you’re shooting buildings, and then you’re in the dark, just lost an army, and he has time to recover. If you kill off his units first, you buy yourself more time inside the base to kill off more units and potentially snowball it, leaving him with no army on the spot and a reduced economy, while you can move on to clearing out buildings as well.

You do sometimes see timing based strikes that are intended to cancel an upgrade by destroying specific buildings. Or in late game against Terran you’ll see people try and hit the massed depots in the main with tank/reaver drop or cracklings. But in that case they’re usually counting on the defender’s own building placement, or the absence of his army because it’s doing something else, to protect them long enough to get the damage done.

Feldegast42
Oct 29, 2011

COMMENCE THE RITE OF SHITPOSTING

Buildings are relatively sturdy, cheap and replaceable, and as noted above don't fire back. If you wipe their economy they are doomed, but if you wipe their buildings (assuming you can chew through their HP) they can quickly build back. There have been games where someone's main got wiped late game (usually by Terran) but as they have a good economy from their other bases they just take a different main and set up production there, and they are no worse for wear generally.

Heavy_D
Feb 16, 2002

"rararararara" contains the meaning of everything, kept in simple rectangular structures
I guess it might be slightly more effective on a two-player map then, especially one without much buildable space outside the mains. Then rebuilding can only start after you've cleared the army, rather than potentially taking place elsewhere simultaneous with the buildings getting destroyed.

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003
All fair points, I just usually see in games after the workers have been killed the army is just hanging out.

isndl
May 2, 2012
I WON A CONTEST IN TG AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS CUSTOM TITLE
At the pro level, if they're not microing the army it's because they're busy elsewhere, whether it's macroing at home, rallying reinforcements, setting up to defend against a counter attack, or scouting for expansions. Attention is a resource and they can get more value spending it elsewhere, you can always check at the minimap to see where their camera is looking.

Elyv
Jun 14, 2013



New Map candidates for ASL 15

none of them seem that exciting or unusual, 76 is the weirdest but even that one's not that strange.

anchorpunch
Mar 30, 2006
That's not a bad thing. The unusual maps in recent asl were kinda interesting for a bit but ultimately too gimicky after the novelty wore off. The best games usually happen on relatively standard maps, imo

Elyv
Jun 14, 2013



Elyv posted:

New Map candidates for ASL 15

none of them seem that exciting or unusual, 76 is the weirdest but even that one's not that strange.



Artosis reviews the ASL maps

lol I was extremely wrong

76 has the following key features:

No gas in front natural
a tiny ramp down like the ancient map 815, where hydralisks can fit down but lurkers and larger can't
hallucinated mineral patches(who knew this was a thing) right next to your starting CC/Nexus/Hatchery like Fastest that give you an early game 1 minute mineral boost and then vanish
you need to mineral walk to get to the back 2 gas natural but those are also hallucinated patches so you have to send your worker there before the first minute is up

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003
Watching Artosis I do get the feeling sometimes he is right about the balance in this 20 year old game but also, dude...like maybe take advantage of the openings your given.

Herstory Begins Now
Aug 5, 2003
SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>
lol that artosis' stream personality is way more profitable than being at the top of the caster foodchain

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

Herstory Begins Now posted:

lol that artosis' stream personality is way more profitable than being at the top of the caster foodchain

didn't his financials get leaked during the Twitch thing and he makes something like $300,000/year alone?

Fozzy The Bear
Dec 11, 1999

Nothing much, watching the game, drinking a bud

Mooseontheloose posted:

didn't his financials get leaked during the Twitch thing and he makes something like $300,000/year alone?

The leak doesn't include donations (which must be huge for him), the leak it showed $167k


Watching his stream has completely ruined his casting for me.

e: poor Tasteless sitting at $60,000

Fozzy The Bear fucked around with this message at 05:07 on Jan 9, 2023

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Elyv
Jun 14, 2013



I don't like Artosis' streaming personality so I don't watch his stream

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