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What is the most powerful flying bug?
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🦋 15 3.71%
🦇 115 28.47%
🪰 12 2.97%
🐦 67 16.58%
dragonfly 94 23.27%
🦟 14 3.47%
🐝 87 21.53%
Total: 404 votes
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Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Tankbuster posted:

any good reading on the volksturm?

Yes, I’ll have to find them but I’ve posted about 3-4 in this thread and the Eurasia thread.

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Slim Jim Pickens
Jan 16, 2012

Comrade Koba posted:

there’s a defense conference in sweden going on at the moment. today the chief researcher of the national defense research institute got up on stage and straight up decreed that peaceful coexistence with russia is and will always be impossible no matter the circumstances.

extremely normal country

Most of Swedish-Russian conflict is Swedes invading Russia lmao what the hell are they even mad about

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost

Slim Jim Pickens posted:

Most of Swedish-Russian conflict is Swedes invading Russia lmao what the hell are they even mad about

Outcome of the Great Northern War

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe
the perfidious swede doesn't want peaceful coexistence with russia and they're finally emboldened enough to say the quiet part loud, hth

Jel Shaker
Apr 19, 2003

i love that the game changing swedish innovation in war fighting in the victorian era was to not just line up into little boxes and shoot wildly inaccurate muskets, but to also actually run at the other guys and scare them off

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Is that why they're so mad about it? That they didn't get tagged for the famous quote

“The bullet is a mad thing, only the bayonet knows what it is about.”
— Alexander Suvorov

Dixon Chisholm
Jan 2, 2020

lollontee posted:

*pöhinä-äänellä* erillissota

all i see here is oinking

because finns are swine

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Starsfan posted:

I think the reason people are getting "excited" about Russian advances in Soledar is because 1) it happened very quickly compared to what else is going on in the area and 2) if they can drive the Ukrainians out of that town and have similar success on the south side of Bakhmut (the Russians are also said to be moving up towards Klishchiivka in the direction of Ivanivske) it would put the Ukrainian positions in Bakhmut under threat of encirclement and those positions may become untenable for Ukraine to maintain at that point. According to some simply capturing Soledar may have this impact without even needing to make much progress on the other side of the city.

The Ukrainian twitter observers have been calling for an emergency counter-offensive to try and relieve what looks like a really bad situation for their forces in the area so there may be some big movements to come in the next few days.

It is also that the Ukrainians have put in a lot over months to defend it, and if the Donbass is still clearly a political objective, the AFU clearly is running into difficulties. Also Soledar and the areas around it are on a relative bluff around Bakhmut, which is going to make it far more difficult to defend.

Bakhmut falling would not only be a political loss, but it is going to make operations in the Donbass more difficult, eventually Ukrainian forces will have to fall back to less defensible terrain and if the Donbass falls, the rest of Ukraine is relatively flat with rivers being the major barriers.

In addition, you have the lingering threat of Russian forces to the north.

yellowcar
Feb 14, 2010

Cpt_Obvious posted:

Right now the AOC-adjacent seem to be strongly in support of Lula and against the riots but I'm sure it's a matter of time till they get new marching orders from corporate.

looked at bolso and got buyer's remorse because he turned out to be a huge trump fan

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

https://twitter.com/uamemesforces/status/1611899907102711808

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

“we have a determined partner in Ukraine that is willing to bear the consequences of war so that we do not have to do so ourselves in the future”

doesn’t get much clearer than that

fits my needs
Jan 1, 2011

Grimey Drawer
https://twitter.com/CassVinograd/status/1612445283865993218?s=20

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

Lostconfused posted:

Rice posted:

Increasingly, members of Congress and others in our public discourse ask, “Why should we care? This is not our fight.” But the United States has learned the hard way — in 1914, 1941 and 2001 — that unprovoked aggression and attacks on the rule of law and the international order cannot be ignored. Eventually, our security was threatened and we were pulled into conflict.

I'm not saying it was bad to do so but 1941 was completely provoked.

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost

Weka posted:

I'm not saying it was bad to do so but 1941 was completely provoked.

I wonder what she's referring to by 1914? The US wasn't in the war and wouldn't be until 1917. Arguably, we should've stayed out of it.

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

yo content warning this poo poo please for dead bodies.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin

Weka posted:

I'm not saying it was bad to do so but 1941 was completely provoked.

Yeah the two dates together make no sense - I guess she meant that if the US had declared war on Japan in 1937 then pearl harbor would never have happened, which, OK, but then what's 1914 referring to?

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Throatwarbler posted:

Yeah the two dates together make no sense - I guess she meant that if the US had declared war on Japan in 1937 then pearl harbor would never have happened, which, OK, but then what's 1914 referring to?

Pancho Villa

yellowcar
Feb 14, 2010

Zeroisanumber posted:

I wonder what she's referring to by 1914? The US wasn't in the war and wouldn't be until 1917. Arguably, we should've stayed out of it.

america had been financing the entente since at least 1914 and they'll be damned if they were gonna let the opportunity to snap up european assets post-war pass

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012


Imagining a version of Verdun where one side is taking monster casualties and telling themselves the other side is too

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Slavvy posted:

Imagining a version of Verdun where one side is taking monster casualties and telling themselves the other side is too

That's what's blowing my loving mind here. It's a complete misunderstanding of Verdun (The French even then emphasized "spending steel and sparing flesh") and more to the point... the loving Ukrainians are outshot 20:1 by their own reporting. This is not how you fight a battle of attrition, and I'm sincerely struggling here because clearly either ideology or politics is overriding decision making. Which is to say, you would only embark on the dumbest possible course of action if you thought you were racially superior and heroism overcomes asiatic cowardice, or if your western allies told you to and you had no alternative.

Verdun, but without the firepower, good God.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

My friends are also attriting, just out of frame

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

"(The imperative to “Hold Bakhmut,” as Ukrainians say, nevertheless carries some risks, analysts warn, saying that it could cloud military judgment and potentially delay a retreat if one becomes necessary)."

lol this is why ideologically hardening the Ukrainian Army and the state since 2014 was both a blessing and a curse for NATO.

Lord of Pie
Mar 2, 2007


Slavvy posted:

Imagining a version of Verdun where one side is taking monster casualties and telling themselves the other side is too

If you don't report the casualties, they didn't happen

bing bong, so simple

fits my needs
Jan 1, 2011

Grimey Drawer
https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1612516086011813903?s=20

quote:

The Russian parliament is working on legislation that would allow cinemas to show Hollywood movies without the consent of copyright owners in a move to beat a boycott of the country by Western film production giants.

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Well Russian telegram channels are now suggesting that Ukrainians are starting to put out the message that those places aren't all that important as the first sign of them falling back.

It could also just be wishful thinking.

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Frosted Flake posted:

That's what's blowing my loving mind here. It's a complete misunderstanding of Verdun (The French even then emphasized "spending steel and sparing flesh") and more to the point... the loving Ukrainians are outshot 20:1 by their own reporting. This is not how you fight a battle of attrition, and I'm sincerely struggling here because clearly either ideology or politics is overriding decision making. Which is to say, you would only embark on the dumbest possible course of action if you thought you were racially superior and heroism overcomes asiatic cowardice, or if your western allies told you to and you had no alternative.

Verdun, but without the firepower, good God.

Well where to go for the Ukrainian government to go at this point? In June/July 2022, there were in a similar position but Russians forces were weak/vulnerable in certain areas to be pushed back, or at least because their supply lines were, to the point the Ukrainians could use some victories to keep morale up. They have also told the Ukrainian public that not only Ukraine will be completely victorious, be will be whole again, it is hard to keep those expectations up and the only solution is to feed the army in Soledar/Bakhmut just not to lose it. Then you have the West, particularly the US, which has counted on Ukraine as a "victory" they needed to keep pressure going on in Eurasia. The easiest option politically was simply do feed troop, sparing some more elite units.

The issue of course is really the Ukrainians only have so many men and equipment, and while the fall offensives were a relative reprieve as Russia organized, it is just going to be more and more difficult for them as the material advantages the Russians have comes to bear. The West though hasn't been filling its side of the bargain as it is clear Western militaries are only go so far, and what the Ukrainians are getting is just cast off systems that won't make a strategic difference.

I don't know if it is only idiocy but I think a fundamental misunderstanding of Russian intentions/capabilities particularly by the West and Ukraine being captured by its far-right to the point that it has no options. It isn't the war that the Russian government wanted to fight, but, it is a war the West doesn't seem to have wanted either.

Admittedly, I think there is ton to learn about this war, but I do think the issue comes to a head eventually when you have to say there has been catastrophic failures on the part of the West as well and introspection is something Western countries (especially Anglo ones) are incapable of and so the response will be censorship. (Even the NYT has pivoted from the pervious narrative "of endless defeat and slaughter for Russian forces" to "well...its like Verdun.")

Ardennes has issued a correction as of 23:08 on Jan 9, 2023

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

lol what the gently caress

https://twitter.com/bctallis/status/1612105942707109890

https://twitter.com/bctallis/status/1612105972524224512

Egg Moron
Jul 21, 2003

the dreams of the delighting void

neoidealism

sounds like thoughts and prayers to me bitch

"you go get immiserated and maimed and die for democracy and I will be over here feeling feelings about it"

gently caress off with that weak soft boy bullshit

Starsfan
Sep 29, 2007

This is what happens when you disrespect Cam Neely

Lostconfused posted:

Well Russian telegram channels are now suggesting that Ukrainians are starting to put out the message that those places aren't all that important as the first sign of them falling back.

It could also just be wishful thinking.

There's been alot of wishful thinking around Bakhmut going back a couple months now.. several instances of calls that Ukraine was abandoning the town upon news surfacing of units being pulled out of the area when in reality Ukraine was just cycling in fresh units to replace decimated ones. I'm kind of 50/50 between whether Ukraine will pull out eventually if the situation becomes bad enough or if they are just going to abandon whatever forces happen to be inside the town when the net closes.

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

Walter.
I know you know how to do this.
Get up.


someone at work told me vladimir putin wants to recreate the USSR and is taking Ukraine because it's what Stalin did

c/d

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013

JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:

someone at work told me vladimir putin wants to recreate the USSR and is taking Ukraine because it's what Stalin did

c/d

I heard Vladmir Putin is going to announce USSR 2.0 in the next year

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

Ardennes posted:

(Even the NYT has pivoted from the pervious narrative "of endless defeat and slaughter for Russian forces" to "well...its like Verdun.")

The New York Times? This one?

March 2022
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/03/05/world/russia-ukraine

May 2022
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/26/briefing/russia-ukraine-war-end-negotiations.html

August 2022
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/24/world/europe/russia-ukraine-war-toll.html

September 2022. I went out of my way to find some of the NYT's more positive coverage for Ukraine. In is they dare to ask if it's even conceivable that Ukraine might win, and their answer is "maybe"
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/13/briefing/ukraine-counteroffensive-kharkiv-war.html

Some ending excerpts of the "Ukraine on the March" article above:

quote:

Still, recapturing territory in the south and the east is unlikely to be easy for Ukraine. Russia has concentrated more forces in those regions than it had in Kharkiv. Now that Ukraine holds Kharkiv, it also has longer supply lines to defend, John Blaxland, a military expert at the Australian National University, told The Times. The seizure of Izium and its railways may help Ukraine maintain its lengthened supply lines, other experts said.

Biden administration officials continue to express skepticism that Ukraine will be able to reclaim all of the land it held in February, just before the invasion. Russia continues to have vast resources at its disposal, even if the sanctions have created some constraints: Russia has been firing many more artillery rounds per day than the Ukrainians. If that advantage continues, dislodging Russia from territory it holds may be difficult.

Russia also has a history of forcing brutal losses on its own soldiers to win extended wars, and Putin has shown he is willing to commit atrocities (as he did in Syria and Chechnya) to exhaust an opponent. Some analysts — including Ross Douthat of Times Opinion and Anne Applebaum of The Atlantic — have argued that Western leaders should be planning for how they would respond to an escalation in Ukraine.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

do you have a nyt subscription?

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

euphronius posted:

do you have a nyt subscription?

Nope

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

mlmp08 posted:

Some ending excerpts of the "Ukraine on the March" article above:

Lmfao Ross Douthat

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

euphronius posted:

do you have a nyt subscription?

Free access comes with his job, he doesn't need one

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

Majorian posted:

Lmfao Ross Douthat

Yeah, they scrape deep in the barrel for their hot takes.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

Slavvy posted:

Free access comes with his job, he doesn't need one

even easier is just click the link and hit “stop” and it breaks their paywall.

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

https://mobile.twitter.com/AzarovNikolay_/status/1056084384628047873

quote:

I recommend that you look at this photo, in which the so-called Prosecutor General of Ukraine Yuriy Lutsenko, at the beginning of his career, speaks with representatives of the Communist Party of Ukraine and the Socialist Party in Donetsk under flags with the inscription "Shame on the Ukrainian occupiers."

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euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

enhance



hmm

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