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Cream-of-Plenty posted:Netflix: Give me ten million dollars or I kill Stranger Things. "can you believe it, final season of Game of Thrones didn't get made because HBO's 100million dollar ransom wasn't paid" - a better universe. This has got to be a Black Mirror episode.
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Waffleopolis posted:I know this is some dumbass late-stage capitalism bullshit, but why don't companies like Netflix just do a Kickstarter-esque campaign stating "Hey, we are cancelling this show, but if you donate this amount of money then it gets another season!" Seems like a cheap and easy way for these assholes not to reach into their pockets to renew a show. I'm convinced its not actually about the money at all. If they gave Pantheon any sort of actual promotion, I'm convinced it could have been pretty successful. The executive in charge would gain nothing from the show being successful, but by burying it and trying to claim they can save money by writing it off they can make it look as though they are do something productive. If they were actually trying to maximize profits they would have found a way to sell season 2. I don't think socialism/communism would make these idiots go away because even streaming services would still need to operate with a budget, and there is always going to be incompetent idiots that need to justify their existence. IShallRiseAgain fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Jan 9, 2023 |
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IShallRiseAgain posted:I'm convinced its not actually about the money at all. If they gave Pantheon any sort of actual promotion, I'm convinced it could have been pretty successful. The executive in charge would gain nothing from the show being successful, but by burying it and trying to claim they can save money by writing it off they can make it look as though they are do something productive. If they were actually trying to maximize profits they would have found a way to sell season 2.
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IShallRiseAgain posted:I don't think socialism/communism would make these idiots go away because even streaming services would still need to operate with a budget, and there is always going to be incompetent idiots that need to justify their existence. I think command economies are pretty notorious for having even more fuckery from on high, and are subject to even more arbitrary executive opinions, as well as the content being provided being determined more by what whoever is in charge thinks should be done rather than hunting out things that audiences would respond to. Communist East Germany's videogame tiny industry was subject to a lot stronger regulation against violence because of some weird officials' opinions. One of the things that free markets are best at is providing an environment where a lot of things can be tried so that the things that catch on can succeed and the things that don't can fail. So much of the entertainment industry's successes are weird things that seemingly came out of nowhere, or could've easily been discarded early on as too dumb to bother with. Of course the current state of TV being dominated by streaming means that there's kind of a bit of confusion over how they use metrics to track what's good or not. And while streaming in general is starting to have more and more competitors come onto the scene, only a few of those competitors are interested in or big enough to do animation, so Netflix is feeling the crunch of competition, but the animators it rejects don't have anywhere to fall back on. And of course the Discovery/Warner/HBO gestalt is being run by a nut.
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I dont see the point in applying economic and social models to entertainment. AMC was making a product. Sadly the people involved got replaced. If the product does well the current people dont get the credit, but if it does badly the current people get the blame. I agree with the post that inorder for companies to write off IP or entertainment products the copy right should be forefit. Remember thats how its a wonderful life got into public domain. Also animetion has had a huge lead time. I m remembering the story of clerks the animated series and how kevin smith was all "why the gently caress did you buy it then?" The network bought it because they had nothing and while the show was being animated they got a hit with who wants to be a millionaire.
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I just learned that Glen Howerton, Sam Richardson and Constance Wu play the main cast in Velma. I'm quite intrigued by that. Thise are some good comedic voices. I know nothing about Mindy Calling, though. I figure that show will be cancelled and erased in the middle of the second episode and anyone who saw it by this point will be forced to undergo a lobotomy, so that Zaslav is still eligible for that sweet tax write off. cant cook creole bream fucked around with this message at 16:08 on Jan 10, 2023 |
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Well. https://twitter.com/lightscamerapod/status/1612857748428918790
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Oh so this is the Mindy Kaling Velma show? I thought that got canned a few years ago and Kaling was just taking the piss about how you can't make original content anymore without a brand name attached to it.
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That's not the actual synopsis, just part of a review. Still, pretty vicious review. https://ew.com/tv/tv-reviews/velma-review-scooby-doo-hbo-max/
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Going off that there would appear to be a lot of 'how do you do fellow kids.'
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I was trying to remain tentatively optimistic about Velma, but the more I hear about it and the more I see from it the more I'm like "Why would anyone want this?"
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jesus that sounds loving awful and stupidly mean, like what the gently caress did fred do? and why is shaggy elliot rodger. she really is garth ennis'ing scoony doo.
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Cream-of-Plenty posted:Netflix: Give me ten million dollars or I kill Stranger Things. Give me a hundred thousand, a hamburger, and a gun and I will do it myself.
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I guess that sounds like it's going beyond "dumb trash because it's having fun being a pastiche of dumb trash horror" and into the realm of dumb trash "adult" shows often try to do to keep on the edge.
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I guess they were trying for The Venture Brothers without actually knowing why that was good?
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Dawgstar posted:I guess they were trying for The Venture Brothers without actually knowing why that was good? I have also been working my way through season 3 of Harley Quinn
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Nikumatic posted:I have also been working my way through season 3 of Harley Quinn It gets better, just way too late. I'd wait and see a little bit since I think Kaling's writing usually toes a pretty mean line so it may sound way worse written out than in execution. But I'm not optimistic.
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Gotta agree with that one tweet that says why not just make your own show at that point if you're changing the characters around that much
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Macaluso posted:Gotta agree with that one tweet that says why not just make your own show at that point if you're changing the characters around that much Because let's face it, in today's media landscape it's way easier to reboot/reskin an old franchise than to make a new one. And that's not a slam against Kaling or anybody that made this show, it's just a fact that new IP has a hard time getting off the ground and you can look at the trail of dead/canceled originals lately. I mean I think we all know that even if the reviews are wrong and this show is loving amazing, this show might as well be DOA since it's starting behind the 8 ball with changing a bunch of characters which raises a big online stink with people who like the old versions (even if it's just veiled racism and those people never would've watched the show anyway) and most importantly, it's a cartoon on HBO Max in 2023. But if it were just parodies/pastiches of Scooby-Doo characters instead of the actual names, then it would never have been greenlit. Like I'm positive that if Venture Bros. were made today it would absolutely just outright use the Johnny Quest license/characters instead of making their own parodies. TwoPair fucked around with this message at 02:57 on Jan 11, 2023 |
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I caught some Mitchell and Webb the other day, and they were making jokes about Velma being a lesbian back in the 90s. I wonder if there's something about her design that lends her to queer readings; but yeah, it's certainly been something people have been thinking about for decades. Honestly, I'm still interested in the show. I hate that reactionary "they changed it now it sucks" impulse that seems to be feeding into some of these reviews, radical transformations are interesting in and of themselves IMO. But these reactions are also the point of the thing, this show is obviously designed to be transgressive and provocative, and to take a series defined by a banal kind of wholesomeness and then gently caress with it a bit. It's funny to see these reviewers flinch, so I guess the comedy of this series is already working. I find the kind of homespun gosh gee wilikers vibe of the original to be soporific and vaguely gross, so I'm very happy to see this come around.
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haha hheeeyy lois! this is the time where all adult animation shows are bad
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Open Source Idiom posted:I caught some Mitchell and Webb the other day, and they were making jokes about Velma being a lesbian back in the 90s. I wonder if there's something about her design that lends her to queer readings; but yeah, it's certainly been something people have been thinking about for decades. Mystery Inc was supposed to go harder into it in the second season as well but unfortunately was cancelled.
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Hell they wanted to go that direction with Velma all the way back in the first live action film when it was originally planned as more of a Teen/Young Adult film than the family film it ended up being
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Mokinokaro posted:Mystery Inc was supposed to go harder into it in the second season as well but unfortunately was cancelled. Mystery Inc wasn't cancelled. It ran 52 episodes completing its entire intended story arc, including Velma's love interest as far as american television animation before Obergefell could possibly hope to.
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TwoPair posted:That's not the actual synopsis, just part of a review. Still, pretty vicious review. Sweet motherfucking jesus  quote:Velma is the new bland, a deconstructed canonical bonanza pulled right off the corporate assembly line. It's so extra it's minus.
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Macrame_God posted:Please tell me Close Enough didn't die for this. No, Close Enough died so rich people could move imaginary money around and buy a 46th boat.
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Macrame_God posted:Please tell me Close Enough didn't die for this. I liked close enough, even if it was a reskined regular show. Instead of a park its a apartment building in LA. Instead of a blue jay and racoon its a married couple. I still laught about cokey braine
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TwoPair posted:That's not the actual synopsis, just part of a review. Still, pretty vicious review. This makes it seem like the most generic "Adult Animation" garbage possible.
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An actual trailer is out now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSm_Y3yS7bA If this is what they think is their best foot forward to get people interested....then RIP. There seems to be some chemistry there, but I really see the "This show has nothing but contempt for the source material and it's own audience" vibe from it. Maybe if it had a chance to last more than 1 season it could find some footing, but this show is one and done.
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Crain posted:An actual trailer is out now: everytime i see poo poo like this. i think of one of my favorite one off little video thing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyKliIF49JQ i feel like if you going to do an show/game/etc with a throughline plot, you have to make the characters likeable and have variety, even if they can be dickish. they have to have actual chemestry and care and heart and poo poo and bigger themes then just "lol edgy". its why venture brothers, smiling friends, helluva boss, harley quinn, and even rick and morty, work. Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 21:14 on Jan 11, 2023 |
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Crain posted:An actual trailer is out now: Comments turned off? You don't say!
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Dawgstar posted:Comments turned off? You don't say! worst part is they will hide behind poo poo nazis like the quartering says or whatever when the show bombs. https://twitter.com/HannaBarberaCap/status/1613223049314111516
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