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I've met a bunch of people who "used to play magic" and very often it's that level of engagement or they had a brother or friend or ex or someone who played it and they tried it at some point
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The big announcement is going to be the opening of Magicworld, a tournament theme park where every guest is a magic player and you can challenge anyone to a sanctioned duel on the spot with the grand prize of the year long battle royale being a box of 30th Anniversary Edition.
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Jan 11, 2023 03:35
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The Saddest Robot posted:The big announcement is going to be the opening of Magicworld, a tournament theme park where every guest is a magic player and you can challenge anyone to a sanctioned duel on the spot with the grand prize of the year long battle royale being a box of 30th Anniversary Edition. Unironically though that would own. Magic deserves its own version of Duelist Kingdom, complete with making up rules on the spot.
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Jan 11, 2023 03:43
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Cactrot posted:What smells even more like a bullshit stat is "75% of players don't know what a Planeswalker is". It tells me that their definition of casual magic players includes everyone who has ever touched or seen magic card since 1994. 83% of players have never seen a real or digital magic card 91% of players can name one or fewer colours of mana 96% of players have only played magic in a dream 99.99% of players can cast real spells and only look at the cards for inspiration
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Jan 11, 2023 03:47
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I’d be surprised if a majority of magic players have even stepped into an LGS tbh. People buy cards at Walmart all the timeSomberbrero posted:imo enfranchised magic players don't really spend that much on sealed product. People who 'have a buddy with some cards' buy sealed product. I would be curious to know how many booster boxes the average person reading this thread bought last year? I bought 4 but I worked at a game store for most of that time. I can’t even remember the last time I bought a box. Conflux maybe? But every time I stop into my LGS to look at board games I usually get a booster of whatever is current (and tbh sometimes a collectors booster if they have them) since they’re cool folks but never for the cards themselves really Kashuno fucked around with this message at 03:54 on Jan 11, 2023 |
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Jan 11, 2023 03:50
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Hoping they create a new card type origami that only gain abilities when folded correctly. You want your origami creature to fly? Better practice making swans bitches Chaos orb errat'd to have the new origami type.
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Jan 11, 2023 03:54
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A person who picked up some magic cards at walmart on a lark and played three times then stuck them in a closet for years isn't a magic player imo
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Jan 11, 2023 04:04
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It doesn't matter if you buy sealed product or you don't. Those singles came from sealed product and you are contributing to the purchase of sealed product. And I am looking at the product that was made in 2022, like hte entire list, and I am thinking "how much of this product is targeting people who don't play formats?". Seems not very much of it.
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Jan 11, 2023 04:22
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Do you think that a product being standard-legal means that it's only targeted at standard players or something?
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Cactrot posted:What smells even more like a bullshit stat is "75% of players don't know what a Planeswalker is". It tells me that their definition of casual magic players includes everyone who has ever touched or seen magic card since 1994. It's dubious because it depends on the exact threshold they're using to measure whether someone "knows what something is". Format: Heard of it? Know the rules? Have a deck? Played it casually? Played it at a game store? Know the meta? Could describe it to someone else? Planeswalker: Heard the word? Know a character who is a planeswalker? Know it's a card type? Know the rules about it and can interpret the card? Seen one played? Played one themselves? Know the lore? It's not too different from those stats like "one in seven adults in the U.S. is functionally illiterate". The reality* is a lot more complex and a lot of people skip over what exactly is being measured, what the thresholds of literacy are, and what that information might end up actually meaning to society as a whole. In the same way, in order to for the statement "75% of people don't know what a planeswalker is" to mean anything useful at all we have to know some specific information that is withheld from the reader like how are you measuring that, how are you gathering that data, is it self reported, is it a twitter poll or something more rigorous, whats your sample size, etc. *What's often being referenced in studies about adult illiteracy is functional illiteracy. People may hear the term "functionally illiterate" and picture an otherwise average person that they might run into on the street who can't read or write any words at all like some kind of cartoonish medieval peasant. But "Functionally illiterate" isn't just a turn of phrase, it has a fairly specific meaning. It's being used to describe a particular range of literacy, it's not just editorializing. It defines level of literacy that allows the person to be functional* in society, meaning they can read short text and have a decent vocabulary in the dominant language, English in the case of the U.S., but they're not really able engage with more complex or advanced or technical writing without more education. Think "functional" as in "functional alcoholic" rather than "functionally useless". They're getting by, but they're not literate to the level that they can self-actualize based on that literacy. When this is measured in the U.S., it's often measured as English literacy specifically, not any language, so it doesn't just cover people born in the US in english-speaking households, it covers all adults. Anyone who comes from a multilingual household or learned English as a second language in school or as an adult. So "one in seven adults is functionally illiterate" means something much more complex than "one in seven adults in the U.S. is a dirt farmer from the times of Charlemagne who thinks the funny symbols on the books are from the devil." It's important to differentiate between a sample of individuals being measured specifically on their literacy in the dominant language of the society vs one measured on their literacy in any language. So that definition is not necessarily common knowledge, but unfortunately it can be counterintuitive because "functional" can be a little murky. It's not as bad as "deceptively" but it can modify other words in a few different ways depending on its context, such as: 1 - An adjective to mean simply that something can perform a specific operation. Sometimes used to contrast with circumstances that might make someone expect that it would not be able to do so. "I found a functional Sony TC-KA1ESA in that storage unit even with all the water damage!" 2 - An adjective to mean something is of low to middling quality, serviceable, or basic. "I don't like the way you solved this problem, but I suppose the solution is functional". 3 - An adverb in the form of functionally, to mean the actual or tangible results or interpretation of something, the "real world" application, contrasting with the theoretical or "on paper" version. Often used in phrases like "functionally useless" or "functionally obsolete". "It's a good design but it's functionally worthless to us because we don't have the resources to build it." Some people see "functionally illiterate" and parse it as "does not even know the alphabet" instead of "can read enough, in English specifically, to get by, but not much else". It's still certainly something worth paying attention to as a society, but there's a big difference between "1 in 7 people do not know how to read anything at all" and the reality of adult english literacy in the U.S. Anyways this is not to defend the U.S.'s generally abyssmal education system, and it's not a strict condemnation of casual use of statistics, it's just a very specific combination of things that I have a bug up my rear end about. fake edit wow this got long
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Khanstant posted:I've met a bunch of people who "used to play magic" and very often it's that level of engagement or they had a brother or friend or ex or someone who played it and they tried it at some point I know a lot of people who "used to play Magic". Very few of them knew there are tournaments at all, and of those people--who weren't themselves actively tournament players--many of them had that story of that one time they went to FNM to see what it was all about, played against that one guy that deked them with superior rules knowledge (scooping, bad faith timing rules, played more than one counterspell, whatever), and they gave up playing on the spot. Like, I assume most people play Magic like Monopoly: they don't actually know the rules as written, and when you inform them that you don't actually get anything for landing on Free Parking, they just stop playing. (This is not a judgement, but an observation/assumption.)
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Rip_Van_Winkle posted:Format: Heard of it? Know the rules? Have a deck? Played it casually? Played it at a game store? Know the meta? Could describe it to someone else? I think you're misunderstanding "knows what a format is." It doesn't mean "knows what Modern or Pioneer or Commander is" it means "knows that there are different ways to play magic in the first place." And when you consider the much more concrete stat of "only 10% of magic players have ever been to a sanctioned event" that's really not so unbelievable. (In fact in the original MaRo posting of the quote this is extremely clear, it's actually "don’t know what a format is (let alone know of any particular format)") Yes you can still quibble over what counts as a player and I'll admit I'm personally curious about what exactly they mean by "don't know what a planeswalker is" but even so, in comparison to the other stats, even that one sounds pretty reliable and I don't see any reason to believe they're playing silly games with the definition in order to come up with that stat.
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rickiep00h posted:I know a lot of people who "used to play Magic". Very few of them knew there are tournaments at all, and of those people--who weren't themselves actively tournament players--many of them had that story of that one time they went to FNM to see what it was all about, played against that one guy that deked them with superior rules knowledge (scooping, bad faith timing rules, played more than one counterspell, whatever), and they gave up playing on the spot. Those people aren't buying the latest wizards products because they have all the cards they needed when they made the purchase in the early 00's. Nothing drives a new purchase for them because why would they care? The people treating magic like monopoly don't have FOMO. They aren't reserving secret lairs because the randomly found it while browsing for socks on the internet. The stuff sitting on the shelves at walmart that normal people might run across while shopping, can't be the stuff that is driving the majority of sales lmao. Its not a trivial amount, but it just can't be the massive majority  . And with the prices of sealed boxes online.. i am to believe that those shelling out the huge $$ for those don't know what a format is? I just can't. Rip_Van_Winkle posted:It's dubious because it depends on the exact threshold they're using to measure whether someone "knows what something is". Sorry you had to write that. A lot of the people pretending not to understand this is less with they actually believe it and more that they have to be contrarian to whatever I am post because "posting grudges must continue".
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Sickening posted:The stuff sitting on the shelves at walmart that normal people might run across while shopping, can't be the stuff that is driving the majority of sales lmao. Its not a trivial amount, but it just can't be the massive majority Why not? How many FLGS stores do you think there are in the United States? How does that compare with the number of mainstream big-box stores?
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Jan 11, 2023 06:27
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lol you loving dork, large swathes of potential players do not live in a reasonable range of a flgs but basically everyone has a walmart or target close by. if your snagging point is "man i cant imagine anyone buys tcg products at walmart" you are hilariously out of touch
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Jan 11, 2023 06:37
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There was a point in the past two years that both Target and Walmart refused to sell TCG products because they couldn't meet demand and fistfights were breaking out in the stores. Also ^^^ that. Barnes and Noble, too, for that matter.
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Jan 11, 2023 06:40
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Walmarts were getting cleaned out of all Pokemon cards within an hour of new stock coming in (leading to said fistfights in the parking lots). It's LGS's that are actually vestigial at best.
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Jan 11, 2023 06:47
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I started to play Magic and bought boosters when Mirage came out. Judgement was my first Pre-Release and I did my first official tournament when Theros came out. Even now my paper Magic games are just "me and my brother gently caress around with old Modern decks that are probably not legal nor competitive anymore" YggdrasilTM fucked around with this message at 08:09 on Jan 11, 2023 |
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serefin99 posted:Unironically though that would own. Magic deserves its own version of Duelist Kingdom, complete with making up rules on the spot. New version of shandalar let's go 
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Jan 11, 2023 10:30
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uggy posted:Make a legendary creature or planeswalker your commander in constructed formats "you may cast this card once from outside the game" Nothing can go wrong with this idea.
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Jan 11, 2023 10:41
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Kagaya Homoraisan posted:lol you loving dork, large swathes of potential players do not live in a reasonable range of a flgs but basically everyone has a walmart or target close by. if your snagging point is "man i cant imagine anyone buys tcg products at walmart" you are hilariously out of touch England. If you live in England, chances are you don't have a flgs near you, nor do you know what one is? They're as rare as hens teeth. In the 90s you'd get your magic from Game or Virgin megastores, now I think probably Waterstones, the book shop, is possibly the easiest place? I reckon probably 2% of people buying magic are buying it from a flgs here, just because, I doubt much more than that have access to one.
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There are a fair number of Generic Nerd Stores like Forbidden Planet and Travelling Man about the UK, so them too.
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You used to be able to get TCG products at our Wal-Mart, but they disappeared a few years back. Which kinda sucks because you could consistently get the precon decks for cheaper there than the LGS.
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uggy posted:Make a legendary creature or planeswalker your commander in constructed formats this would be very funny, but no
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Goa Tse-tung posted:this would be very funny, but no Make it any card for maximum busted
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Jan 11, 2023 12:43
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I'm excited for magic to Change Forever and revert to the original deckbuilding rules so we can finally experience magic as Richard Garfield intended it That's right, no banned restricted lists, no 4 card limit in your deck, all the favorites coming back
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To play "as Richard Garfield intended it" in a less literal way you should probably scale the card number limit as function of rarity: 1 copy for Mythic, 2 for Rare, 4 for Uncommon and 6 for Common, or something like that.
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YggdrasilTM posted:To play "as Richard Garfield intended it" in a less literal way you should probably scale the card number limit as function of rarity: 1 copy for Mythic, 2 for Rare, 4 for Uncommon and 6 for Common, or something like that. This sounds like a potentially interesting variant to play. I’ve also given this zero thought so maybe it’d suck poo poo. 6 commons is probably too much, maybe if it was just 1-2-3-4 for M-R-U-C?
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Jan 11, 2023 14:36
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The big change is Magic 30th edition is now tournament legal Should have bought it while you had the chance!!!
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ilmucche posted:Make it any card for maximum busted any non-land permanent, and make it a special set for limited like Baldurs Gate Legends heck make it land, it would be very funny if designed right
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Jan 11, 2023 14:52
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Finally my Genju of the Realm deck will be legal without Rule 0
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the Orb of Zot posted:The big change is Magic 30th edition is now tournament legal This might in fact be the perfect way to make literally everyone mad
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Planeswalkers at common now, since just anyone can do it! Also, do you guys really think that someone who bought a precon, played it twice, and quit 15 years ago is going to bother answering surveys about magic?
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Judgy Fucker posted:This sounds like a potentially interesting variant to play. I’ve also given this zero thought so maybe it’d suck poo poo. 1-1-2-4. also, in case of multiple rarities due to different printing, the lowest one counts.
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A Moose posted:Planeswalkers at common now, since just anyone can do it! yeah it's this, so you can do no-name low manavalue walkers without upsetting any lore
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Other card types with the planeswalker type line so you can start attacking your opponents annoying artifacts and enchantments directly
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Looking forward to the Urza Planeswalker Land.
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they're removing blocking and letting you attack creatures directly like in hearthstone preorder the new eternal masters set which contains a couple of mythic taunt creatures at legacy-playable power levels, $15 a booster!
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The game will now revolve into building a tower of cards with half a deck and physically throwing the cards of the other half at your opponent tower.
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the Big Change is that tapping is now a 360° rotation of the cards, it's 4x better!
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