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Mostly just the bit about actual emergencies and self-assessing how serious the situation is. People can't loving do that. As it is, 111 isn't a flawed service. It's doing exactly what it's supposed to. Discouraging people from calling the services will result in needless death.
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No such thing as a needless death. It's just queue jumping really.
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Jan 11, 2023 21:19
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NotJustANumber99 posted:I thought we didn't believe in nation States or inheritance anyway? Whose to say who owns these ancient treasures? Put them all in landfill, we've got far superior AI art now anyway. Plug a 3d printer into dalle and have it do some new lost marbles. Give Greece the Big Johnson Boris Johnson Tom of Finland Creations in marble form as restitution for keeping their poo poo. I'm sure they'll see that they got the better end of the deal
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Jan 11, 2023 21:26
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Elgin falsified documents to steal them from the Ottoman Empire, ostensibly because he feared that Greek nationalists would wreck them, so really they should be returned to their internationally recognized successor state, as per the 1925 Ottoman Public Debt Arbitration, the Republic of Türkiye.
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Jan 11, 2023 21:36
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Perhaps we could do an alternative to eurovision where everyone competes to steal them each year.
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Jan 11, 2023 21:37
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Mega Comrade posted:I think you are confusing me with the other poster who suggested everything should go through 999 I'm not saying literally everything should go through 999. I'm saying getting people to self-ration their own healthcare like this "don't call 999 unless you think you are going to die" statement is a regression, and not what civilisation should be aiming for. It will absolutely lead to worse health outcomes. If you have even the slightest feeling you need to call 999, you should be able to call 999. This is genuinely tory poo poo. Look at this: Z the IVth posted:The aforementioned posters advice about "Call 999 for everything" will just result in massive pressure on the system because these barely trained call handlers won't know how to separate idiots who stubbed their toes after a drunken night out and someone who's toe has gone ischaemic and is a few hours from gangrene. Some degree of personal responsibility and discretion must be exercised. Personal responsibility? We're talking about a public healthcare system serving dozens of millions of people. You might as well say that the NHS would be fine if people stopped eating Chocolate Oranges.
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Jan 11, 2023 21:39
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Brendan Rodgers posted:You might as well say that the NHS would be fine if people stopped eating Chocolate Oranges. Worth a try!
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Jan 11, 2023 21:43
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And think everyone agrees the Tory guy saying "don't call 999" is a moron. It doesn't need to be debated.OwlFancier posted:Perhaps we could do an alternative to eurovision where everyone competes to steal them each year. Only if they have to compete to do it in the most extravagant and flamboyant way possible. Points for being successful, but also points for style.
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Jan 11, 2023 21:45
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OwlFancier posted:You could make a credible argument that stealing things is british culture and that if you gave back all the things that were stolen there would be very little material record of anything the UK achieved in the past couple hundred years. Stealing things is arguably part of elite British culture but not really representative of the majority imo. Past couple of hundred years has a bunch of stuff like Watt and Stevensons steam engines, Marx, arts and crafts socialism, etc. we could celebrate. Also how about the Halifax gibbet, Wat Tyler, Peasants Revolt etc. etc. all lacking in proper memorialisation. (I'm a prehistorian so no doubt not recalling loads more of these really recent things). Your last sentence is a genuinely good idea that we should do. NotJustANumber99 posted:I thought we didn't believe in nation States or inheritance anyway? Whose to say who owns these ancient treasures? Put them all in landfill, we've got far superior AI art now anyway. Plug a 3d printer into dalle and have it do some new lost marbles. Wall. More seriously your last sentence has the seed of the real solution - we can now make really loving good copies of stuff that can be displayed anywhere with the originals back at their cultural point of origin.  This already goes on in museums, we just don't draw attention to it.Also imo these things collectively belong to the whole human race but they should be seen in or geographically close to their original context - cos Context is All (archaeo-speak).
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Jan 11, 2023 21:46
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What if someone poor plays football and breaks their ankle? They're not going to die. Did they put an undue strain on the system? Should they not have played football? Should they just let their ankle become a manky lump of fused flesh? Are they too poor to be allowed by society take part in such a "risky activity" as playing a sport? Personal responsibility isn't just a dumb argument, it's an American one, it's literally how their justify their private system.
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EmptyVessel posted:Stealing things is arguably part of elite British culture but not really representative of the majority imo.  EmptyVessel posted:More seriously your last sentence has the seed of the real solution - we can now make really loving good copies of stuff that can be displayed anywhere with the originals back at their cultural point of origin. We should build a bunch of temples to the near-forgotten old gods, a bit like the magical realism turned hyperreal history of Mesoamerica. Cernunnos would test the limits of 3D printed dick technology. Brendan Rodgers posted:Personal responsibility isn't just a dumb argument, it's an American one, it's literally how their justify their private system. Once you're past that and actually injured it makes no sense as a social argument.
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Jan 11, 2023 22:07
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Brendan Rodgers posted:What if someone poor plays football and breaks their ankle? They're not going to die. Did they put an undue strain on the system? Should they not have played football? Should they just let their ankle become a manky lump of fused flesh? Are they too poor to be allowed by society take part in such a "risky activity" as playing a sport? FIFA should pay for this.
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Jan 11, 2023 22:08
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I think my kerning brain is just broken because I read wanky porno buildings.
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Jan 11, 2023 22:10
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E: ^^^  Guavanaut posted:wanky pomo buildings Definitely read that as "wanky-porno buildings" and was confused by what was happening in London
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Jan 11, 2023 22:11
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I think those are just Travelodges.
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I think at least some roman emperors would have liked wanky porno buildings.
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Guavanaut posted:My grandad used to steal stuff from the warehouses down by the canal and I'm pretty sure that he wasn't an elite Presuming that your grandad was British then he was stealing from his own culture which is a totally different thing. And might be worth celebrating in it's own right as social history. We should make new stuff. That's not really relevant to the fighting over old stuff though. Temples to some old gods already exist, some are even quite recent. There's a nice Temple of the Muses thing by the Tweed for example. Eh, your understanding of og Cernunnos is severely lacking I'm afraid. Not going to post a wall of text (gotta get to the shops, and I'm not in a manic phase rn  ) but brief points - the name only exists afaik on one partial inscription in France, the antlered form of The Horned God is not really present in the UK's archaeological record (one coin only last I heard) though we do have a bunch of dudes with bulls horns. Modern Neo-pagan iconography is fine and has it's place but should never be confused with what the ancestors were actually doing.
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It sounds like Evri being so poo poo over christmas is going to get the regulator to mandate some sort of minimum customer service standard. Thats going to interesting to define.
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serious gaylord posted:It sounds like Evri being so poo poo over christmas is going to get the regulator to mandate some sort of minimum customer service standard. I like how they rebranded from Hermes because everyone thought Hermes was utter poo poo, and then somehow perform even worse under the new name.
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happyhippy posted:It's been reclassed as a science fiction program now. Historical Drama... it's all in the past now. 
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serious gaylord posted:It sounds like Evri being so poo poo over christmas is going to get the regulator to mandate some sort of minimum customer service standard. I think the biggest problem with them is not being able to contact a human in any shape or form, not even a 'live chat'. When I was in customer services in an alarm company very many moons ago, we were required to answer the phone within 3 rings, none of this press button 1 stuff. Sometimes the top boss would ring to test, especially at lunchtime. I used to divert all the phones to one if I was the only one in the office covering lunch so callers would get an engaged tone rather than a ringing into oblivion tone. Still, my boss always used to try and fob people off by saying 'no, that's an installations problem, we're the maintenance division' whereas I thought we should be more of a one-stop shop - customer phones in, we check out who they should have called if we can't resolve it ourselves and get that department to phone the customer direct (and follow up with customer later to make sure the relevant department/division had done so). I instituted that as policy when I became the boss lady of that department. And if the problem was lack of maintenance (customers were supposed to get 2 maintenance visits a year, quite often they wouldn't get any) I would get a service 'engineer' out asap and then diarize the second one for 6 months later and make sure they got it. I've used I so many times in that, I should change my name to Jess, babs. Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 22:55 on Jan 11, 2023 |
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Going to make a controversial statement here and say we should just fund the health service enough that there's ambulances to spare for broken ankles
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I feel pretty lucky that our normal Hermes/Evri guy is actually really good. Every now and then it won’t be him and that’s when it’s a dice roll. DPD are currently the worst courier I have to deal with regularly and that’s nuts because they used to be pretty bulletproof. I don’t know how it benefits the drivers or the company themselves but the last few times they’ve had something for me they’ve just driven past the house and said nobody was home, not even left a little slip or anything. One ‘attempt’ has an evidence photo of our front door taken from inside the dude’s van where you can also clearly see me in the window by my front door being very much at home because their tracking thing said it was imminent.
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Yeah the guy who does hermes for me is good too, which is useful because I get a bunch of stuff sent to me through them for work. Sucks that despite that the company is poo poo though.
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Rarity posted:Going to make a controversial statement here and say we should just fund the health service enough that there's ambulances to spare for broken ankles hell, make it so there's an ambulance spare to go out and break peoples ankles so the other ambulances have something to do
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EmptyVessel posted:your understanding of og Cernunnos is severely lacking I'm afraid. No! Yours is!
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EmptyVessel posted:Modern Neo-pagan iconography is fine and has it's place but should never be confused with what the ancestors were actually doing.
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History Comes Inside! posted:I feel pretty lucky that our normal Hermes/Evri guy is actually really good. Every now and then it won’t be him and that’s when it’s a dice roll. I would say covid broke every courier in the country but DPD were on the decline before that. IMO what broke courier companies were timed delivery metrics. You get an hour window from most of these companies now for when to expect your parcel and in addition to that they have 'time at location' metrics. Depending on the company these can be as harsh as 3 minutes per drop and that includes driving there, finding the place, parking and delivery. Think about that for a minute. 3 minutes to get from your last address to the new one. A single traffic light can make you miss that window and drivers are KPI'd & usually paid based on this metric. Time how long it takes you to get out your car and to your front door, never mind root around in the boot to find a package from Boohoo. Thats the reason if you live in a flat or a hard to find location not immediately road side you're 50% more likely to get a 'Sorry you werent in' notification. But going back to the hour time slot being the root of all evil is the first batch of deliveries usually go fine, but the longer and longer into the day the driver gets progressively more behind to the point where they're at risk of missing the hour window for everything. Maybe they got stuck behind an accident and lost 10 minutes, unexpected road works etc. Theres no way to catch up, so the next 20 deliveries get a 'sorry we couldnt find your address' whatever over a period of 15-20 minutes. Driver is now back on track for the rest of the route. poo poo news for you but you're going to get the parcel tomorrow, no real big issue in the grand scheme of things. That is until you get to Christmas. I had a delivery from Yodel on the 17th of December. I was delivery 112 in the queue. Even if I was literally the last drop on this drivers route (Which I very much doubt) that equates to a delivery every 3.75 minutes on a 7 hour shift. So at some point in the day a batch of parcels get fake notifications and a try again tomorrow. Problem is theres another 112 parcels already for tomorrow, what happens to these 20 that need to go out again? That 20 becomes 40, and so on. So in conclusion KPI's are evil and drive the exact opposite behaviour of what they're put in to measure and promote. gently caress management shite. Thank you for coming to my Bed Talk.
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Brendan Rodgers posted:I'm not saying literally everything should go through 999. I'm saying getting people to self-ration their own healthcare like this "don't call 999 unless you think you are going to die" statement is a regression, and not what civilisation should be aiming for. It will absolutely lead to worse health outcomes. Personal responsibility is having enough sense to know when something is sufficiently serious to warrant a 999 call. If you're not sure then that's what 111 is for. You are encouraged to call 111 for everything. Advocating that everyone call 999 for everything just makes you a different kind of moron to the Tory who asks no one to call. Your 999 dispatchers are not going to be trained to deal with minor problems and their decision tree may well be "if in doubt -> send ambulance/A&E" rather than a 111 responder who may actually have relevant knowledge to deal with it. Brendan Rodgers posted:What if someone poor plays football and breaks their ankle? They're not going to die. Did they put an undue strain on the system? Should they not have played football? Should they just let their ankle become a manky lump of fused flesh? Are they too poor to be allowed by society take part in such a "risky activity" as playing a sport? Also quoting this for being disingenuous hyperbole. Z the IVth fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Jan 11, 2023 |
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Brendan Rodgers posted:What if someone poor plays football and breaks their ankle? They're not going to die. Did they put an undue strain on the system? Should they not have played football? Should they just let their ankle become a manky lump of fused flesh? Are they too poor to be allowed by society take part in such a "risky activity" as playing a sport? It's interesting that the tories argue against a comprehensive healthcare and livelihood safety-net sort of thing on the grounds that it makes people feckless and lazy, when it would be equally valid to argue that a safety-net encourages people to do tory-virtuous things like striving, innovating and taking risks because failure won't have catastrophic consequences for them and their dependents. The truth is, the tories are just loving cheap.
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Or they were never about the free market virtue of risk taking and always about the 'virtue' of people who already have a ton of capital being able to make more from low risk ventures like 'doing things that the state should' and 'grift'.
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Being generationally wealthy on the other hand does not make people feckless and lazy, it makes them into the only people suited to running the country.
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EmptyVessel posted:
look everyone knows Cernunnos needs that attack speed quins build maximise effect of his 1-ability to take on tanks towers and hunters in the early game. Late game you don't want to 1v1 enemy ADC if they have crit because you will lose.
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I do actually think there is a kind of fecklessness that connects both intergenerational wealth and state support, in that both seem to engender a pretty unpleasant level of disregard for how those situations come about. A lot of people who have lived their entire lives with things like the NHS and welfare state seem disproportionately unwilling to take any effort to maintaining them and will quite happily see them dismantled for anyone except them. If there ever is a new wave of socially inclined thought in the UK it would be nice if somebody could figure out how to prevent that from happening again.
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JEREMIAH CROBBIN ON PESTON ON ITV NOW ALERT
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OwlFancier posted:If there ever is a new wave of socially inclined thought in the UK it would be nice if somebody could figure out how to prevent that from happening again.
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Guavanaut posted:It's almost like the Hegelian version of that 'good times create soft men' meme only with Marx wearing a cowboy hat instead of whatever boomer movie character they've decided to misuse. I'm trying not to just say that because I don't believe it's correct, more I think there is probably something about the specific system that encourages people to just... disconnect from the thing that maintains it. The absense of the needed things makes people keenly aware of the need to create them, but I think there is something specific about how our political system is organized that encourages people to check out absenting that desperate need. I want to believe there is a system that won't suffer from that problem or at least not as catastrophically as the one we currently have, and also won't just devolve into weird ritualistic deprivation and cruelty to "teach people a lesson" or whatever. It would be nice to think that a more participatory and localized system of organization might help, where people get frequent practice formulating collective solutions to problems that actually work rather than ineffectually voting for whatever flavour of dickhead is wearing the rosette twice a decade and everything gets worse anyway, but I have no idea how you could test that.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:the itv player is dogshit and peston seems ideally suited to it Peston is remarkably stupid for someone paid so much money. He's paid enough that even Dominic Raab seems like a bit of a bargain if you're shopping around for stupidity/£.
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smellmycheese posted:JEREMIAH CROBBIN ON PESTON ON ITV NOW ALERT er this also appears to be some marketing bullshit like you cant drag the blip so I had to watch from start and now I'm half an hour ago ffs
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