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Tiny Myers posted:This is a cool page! Although on the other hand, this kinda makes her more adept at interacting with it than many because etheric realms are all converted into mundane things she can excel at (e.g., even Annie, a partial elemental spirit person, was baffled at a bunch of RotD bullshit that Kat could treat as everyday technology).
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Tiny Myers posted:This is a cool page! Yeah it's a nice menacing page. It's pretty much the same dilemma as whatever is going on with Loup and Lana, but it's with characters we're attached to and would very much like to see survive so it's a better application of that problem, at least.
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Jan 11, 2023 16:20
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So embittered by years of steady I am refusing to allow myself to hope that we're about to see some of the plot on screen and finally catch up on what's been going on.
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Jan 11, 2023 19:01
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Potato Salad posted:So embittered by years of steady For me, the mere mention of Loup was enough to crater the impact of what is otherwise a very cool page. Like, if this was the conflict? If the last hundreds of pages set up a situation where Annie thought her best friend was gonna do a murder and she had to stop it? gently caress, that sounds so much more fun and interesting then what we've gotten.
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Jan 11, 2023 19:11
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Imagine if we go to the end of 2022 and not a single actual stabbing
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Jan 11, 2023 20:21
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Loup has consistently been the worst OC.
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Annointed posted:Imagine if we go to the end of 2022 and not a single actual stabbing mission accomplished. unless someone actually got stabbed last year I forget
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Twenty Four posted:mission accomplished. This was the first page of 2022 - We had just met Jerrek and Lana, and Shell was info dumping about In 2022 we got / learned: -Info on shadowmen / Shell and Aata -The alleyway scene -Infodump that Annie knows what the Omega Device is, I guess -Weird love triangle between Loup Lana and Annie (that went nowhere because Annie was not interested in Loup at all) -The attempt to capture Loup that led Loup killing Reynard's body, oh noooo -Robot knows who Jerrek / Loup is -We learn about the star ocean, non-etheric people can leave on it -Jerrek gets hosed up if he gets too close to the star ocean, Lana saves him. He reveals his identity and now they're DATING -Ocean is reconfigured from Coyote/Loup to target Zimmy -Annie meets Jack and Jenny, they summon up Zimmy who already knows what's going on And here we are.
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Jan 12, 2023 06:30
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Kat gives Zimmy a brownie, unaware of the latter’s peanut allergy
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Jan 12, 2023 18:33
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I just expect the most contrived way possible.
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Jan 12, 2023 19:39
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Kat will "kill" Zimmy by removing her etheric abilities or something. Or Kat'll do something to Omega that inadvertently hurts Zimmy because Zimmy will be etherically connected to the device. My third guess is that there will be Norn trickery lol.
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It turns out that letting the machine goddess play around with Omega was exactly what was needed to get it going again and lock the universe into complete causal determinism.
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Jan 13, 2023 04:08
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Kat being as much of a project as Annie was makes a twisted sort of sense. They did get in the same class together.
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Jan 13, 2023 05:59
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Called it. CJacobs posted:Can we start dinging the comic for art mistakes now that a foreground character lacks her eyebrows? I swear that there's no nitpicking going on here, these used to be rarer. Yeah I'm out, I dunno how to phrase this gently so apologies but it genuinely seems Tom picked up a co-author or something. Contrived as hell way to push a confrontation. Still just casually removing characters from the pool once they've said their plot relevant information. In case this is my last post about it though I will say for the duration it's been a wonderful comic that entertained me and was something to look forward to for literally a dozen years of my life. So it still gets huge credit from me for that. CJacobs fucked around with this message at 12:07 on Jan 13, 2023 |
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I'll agree with the above post that it feels a bit contrived and I don't have faith in the execution, but at the same, like, at least poo poo is happening. So at least for right now, I'm invested and cautiously optimistic. But I totally sympathize with anyone who's decided to drop it. Thanks for posting with us, CJacobs! Best of luck finding better comics. 
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Jan 13, 2023 12:39
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Now Jenny is just being unreasonable here. She picked that spot herself!
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Well that went off rails very fast. Guys, you started the summon right next to the star ocean! You were vaguely aware of what it could do! You agreed to this and executed the plan. Why are you chewing out Anni? 
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Jan 16, 2023 10:04
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Oh boy, this conflict sure doesn't feel forced. Not one bit, no sir.
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Jan 16, 2023 10:07
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this comic's so loving stupid
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Skippy McPants posted:Oh boy, this conflict sure doesn't feel forced. Not one bit, no sir.
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Jan 16, 2023 11:01
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Can you believe we almost got back on track to a good story maybe.
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Jan 16, 2023 11:09
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once again my hypercynical stubbornness proves victorious
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Note Block posted:Can you believe we almost got back on track to a good story maybe. Good thing we've got contrived drama to save us from that fate!
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Jan 16, 2023 11:46
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this comic's notion of which conflicts should be resolved as quickly as possible and which ones need to be lingered on sure is something
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The only thing that would make this scene work is the reveal that these two are being blackmailed or otherwise forced by the court to find Zimmy, and have decided to use Annie as an emotional patsy or something. Someone they can blame to try and shift the guilt to. That would kind of fit what is otherwise a very clear attempt at gaslighting her. But because the court is as an antagonist shadowy to the point of non-existence, it is hard to imagine this setup coming about. And this post is basically the bargaining stage anyway.
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I love that on top of this out of nowhere confrontation, they're still missing the point that Kat's the one they should be worried about, along with whatever series of events require both Zimmy and Loup to die.
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Hell yeah forced conflict due to a wacky misunderstanding and nobody talking to each other! Everyone loves this trope. cant cook creole bream posted:Now Jenny is just being unreasonable here. She picked that spot herself! Lmao right? I guess they'll say Annie asked to meet them near the ocean. But if everyone knew the Star Ocean's effects, why the hell say that spot is good?? This is so loving stupid. This requires our characters to forget everything they know about each other and their past experiences together, including the conversations they just had. Though when they met up with Annie, they declared , "Yeah we know everything, no need to talk details  ", which I guess was necessary for this forced conflict bullshit. Being near Zimmy was the only excuse the comic had for Jenny and Jack to get instantly accusatory, and she's gone now.God this comic is so stupid and boring now. Edited for clarity. Edited to add: I just had to check the official forums because they tend to love everything, and it's confusion and coping ("maybe it's Zimmy's illusion") there too lol. catapede fucked around with this message at 14:39 on Jan 16, 2023 |
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Yeah this is honestly a sadder page to me than a lot of what came before because these are clearly characters that the author is still invested in and has energy for - a complete redesign for one of them to a very particular look points to that, like with Shell - but this conversation is disjointed and contrived, and that makes me feel like there’s no ‘getting back on track.’ Loup’s not around, we got a fantastic Zimmy page, these are clearly characters (specifically, two couples) the author’s still invested in, and this page is still bad dialogue and bad plot. And kinda bad paneling, or at least a really boring and uncommunicative way to structure this kind of argument. It feels like there’s no hope here.
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Annie would not let people roll over her like this unless they were her dad
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Truly not much I can say on this page that hasn't already been well-articulated by others. I hope it was apparent from my recent posts that I was genuinely hopeful and trying to avoid cynicism about this, but like... wow. "Contrived" is most certainly the word.    In any other comic, this would be such a huge "okay, something's up, here! This is a setup! What an obvious contradiction!". But it really says something about Gunnerkrigg that all that good faith is just gone.
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Tiny Myers posted:Truly not much I can say on this page that hasn't already been well-articulated by others.
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We had a cool looking page just a few days ago and this conflict could have been perfectly explained by Zimmy being Zimmy, why didnt he take the easiest out in gunnerkrigg history. It feels like the comic is deliberately trying people's patience at this point, in a way that would be a good troll if it were funny or self aware. But it isnt.
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Tiny Myers posted:Truly not much I can say on this page that hasn't already been well-articulated by others. It would have been so fuckin easy to have Annie suggest they go somewhere private. Then have her lead them there and say "Will this do?" Like, it was only like 2-3 weeks ago! It was have been trivial to set this up more believably!
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This thread is getting really weird. Why is almost everyone assuming bad writing and doom-posting when it is really obvious something weird is going on? If it does turn out to be an actual writing mistake to force a conflict that doesn't make sense though..oh god...
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DontMindMe posted:This thread is getting really weird. Why is almost everyone assuming bad writing and doom-posting when it is really obvious something weird is going on? It's actually not v. weird that anyone would lack trust in the narrative turning out to make sense at this point imho
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DontMindMe posted:This thread is getting really weird. Why is almost everyone assuming bad writing and doom-posting when it is really obvious something weird is going on? Remember when Annie, Kat and Renard took two robot children they were barely acquainted with on a random halfassed Loup-hunting expedition? Remember how a lot of people thought there's no way our protagonists were being that dumb, so this was clearly a setup. We're still waiting for whatever twist makes that sequence less bad. We definitely surmised a lot of them at the time, which haven't panned out. (Like, she must actually know Jerrek is Loup and she's playing him. But nope.) Ditocoaf fucked around with this message at 19:26 on Jan 16, 2023 |
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DontMindMe posted:Why is almost everyone assuming bad writing and doom-posting when it is really obvious something weird is going on? It's because the writing is bad.
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DontMindMe posted:This thread is getting really weird. Why is almost everyone assuming bad writing and doom-posting when it is really obvious something weird is going on? we've been trying to have hope for.... oh my god it's years now. mind cage ended in may 2021. it's been this slow, horrible, confusing decline. i'm waiting for your crow eating moment, just like what'stheriface did a few months ago.
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I mean tbc I would love for the story to make this all make sense and prove the haters wrong because I do not want Gunnerkrigg to suck! But betting on the seemingly idiotic plot developments actually having an eventually-revealed well-written explanation has not been a winning move so far.
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