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PurpleXVI
Oct 30, 2011

Spewing insults, pissing off all your neighbors, betraying your allies, backing out of treaties and accords, and generally screwing over the global environment?
ALL PART OF MY BRILLIANT STRATEGY!

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By popular demand
Jul 17, 2007

IT *BZZT* WASP ME--
IT WASP ME ALL *BZZT* ALONG!


Now I get why the north American sockets are designed to look confused and upset.
The original electric engineers knew.

Just Winging It
Jan 19, 2012

The buck stops at my ass
It lends itself very well to environmental storytelling indeed.

StormDrain
May 22, 2003

Thirteen Letter

Darchangel posted:



I hope so. The dingleberry who remodeled our master bath (long before we bought the place) got it wrong, and I have to shorten knobs if and when I replace them. Metal knobs. Also, the shower head and valves are off center by 1-1/2 tiles, and the shower head is placed for a little person. Well, littler than me, anyway. I have a hand-held head on a separate bracket mounted to the wall to get it higher, which also incidentally lets me center it so I'm not tight up against one wall while showering.
Oh, also, the shower pan is about 4" shorter than the available space, so the built out the wet wall to compensate - which is where they got the position of the valves wrong. Also, also, a couple of the courses of tile don't line up by about 1/16"-1/8" vertically on that wall. Like, they got the spacing between wrong here and there.


Oh word did we have the same shower builder? My shower head Roughin was at about 6' above the pan, and the handle and head were off center by about 6" as well. I'm under 6' tall and the shower head kissed my head since the stub out lowers it.

The tiling wasn't bad though, no sign of water damage behind any of it when I removed it, which was shocking since the corners were pretty bad when we moved in.



There's a lot of work in achieving my dreams though. It's all off center because of a stud, and neither of the other walls are framed for me to easily add a niche. But I'll make it right.

In the opposite of crappy construction I refuse to meet my schedule by reducing the scope or compromising in layout.

moist turtleneck
Jul 17, 2003

Represent.



Dinosaur Gum

Vim Fuego
Jun 1, 2000


Ultra Carp

wow!

Enos Cabell
Nov 3, 2004



please make sure you are thinking of the toilet apple with rationality

Beef Of Ages
Jan 11, 2003

Your dumb is leaking.

That's one way to hide your 'batin sock from your Mom.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Forum accident posted:




Whiz Comics #2 (1940)

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


By popular demand posted:

Now I get why the north American sockets are designed to look confused and upset.
The original electric engineers knew.

You should install them with the ground pin up anyway :colbert:

StormDrain
May 22, 2003

Thirteen Letter

brugroffil posted:

You should install them with the ground pin up anyway :colbert:

It would appear Eaton agrees with you!

stevewm
May 10, 2005

brugroffil posted:

You should install them with the ground pin up anyway :colbert:

If we are going to agree that the ground pin should be up. I wish manufacturers of adapters/plug packs would get it on it as well...

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

why does england install light switches so down = on anyway

is it related to how the electricity runs backwards in their cars?

kreeningsons
Jan 2, 2007

Zil posted:

Little dab of vapor rub under your nose will do wonders for blocking out smells.

Full face respirator with P100 and organic vapor cartridges, imo

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

Mods please change my name to "Tooter Skeleton" TIA.


Sagebrush posted:

why does england install light switches so down = on anyway

is it related to how the electricity runs backwards in their cars?

It's because for non-light switches for stuff like 15 amp appliances (iirc water heaters was one from when I was a kid, but also lovely electric radiators and I *think* the separate switched circuit you'd get on cookers) the "top" part of the switch that was exposed would be painted red so it was clear that it was on.

I don't think it was ever done with lights, and actually many water heaters etc. Had "lit" switches where there was a little LED above them to show that they were on. I haven't seen one in years I don't think.

Also before anyone says it: basically yes, the British public were apparently stupid enough that about 6 extra warnings or controls were needed around electrical appliances/sockets.

Powerful Two-Hander fucked around with this message at 23:38 on Jan 12, 2023

Computer viking
May 30, 2011
Now with less breakage.

Powerful Two-Hander posted:

It's because for non-light switches for stuff like 15 amp appliances (iirc water heaters was one from when I was a kid, but also lovely electric radiators and I *think* the separate switched circuit you'd get on cookers) the "top" part of the switch that was exposed would be painted red so it was clear that it was on.

I don't think it was ever done with lights, and actually many water heaters etc. Had "lit" switches where there was a little LED above them to show that they were on. I haven't seen one in years I don't think.

Also before anyone says it: basically yes, the British public were apparently stupid enough that about 6 extra warnings or controls were needed around electrical appliances/sockets.

I guess this could also be tied into the atrocious electricity prices the UK had (and, I guess, still has) - it's easier to notice if you've left something expensive on that way?

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Powerful Two-Hander posted:

Had "lit" switches where there was a little LED above them to show that they were on. I haven't seen one in years I don't think.

Surely they were neon lamps.

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

Mods please change my name to "Tooter Skeleton" TIA.


Computer viking posted:

I guess this could also be tied into the atrocious electricity prices the UK had (and, I guess, still has) - it's easier to notice if you've left something expensive on that way?

No I think we're just stupid tbh. I mean hot water immersion heaters were used for like an insanely long time so then again maybe it was just out of raw inefficiency.

Actually I had a student flat that not only had manually wired fuses (same as my house growing up, I liked redoing the wires as a kid lol), but the box was at floor level so regularly got kicked *and* the immersion heater temperature sensor was broken so the tank boiled and turned the whole place into a sauna. We only used it twice because there was an electric "power shower".

'ha ha ha you're old as poo poo' you think - that was 2004

Platystemon posted:

Surely they were neon lamps.

Yeah those, or whatever they were, I couldn't remember. Not actual LEDs for sure.

Powerful Two-Hander fucked around with this message at 01:46 on Jan 13, 2023

Humbug Scoolbus
Apr 25, 2008

The scarlet letter was her passport into regions where other women dared not tread. Shame, Despair, Solitude! These had been her teachers, stern and wild ones, and they had made her strong, but taught her much amiss.
Clapping Larry
England also has the demon wiring diagram of ring mains.

PainterofCrap
Oct 17, 2002

hey bebe



They are just irrationally attached to knob & tube circuitry

Beardcrumb
Sep 24, 2018

An absolute gronk with a face like a chewed mango.

PainterofCrap
Oct 17, 2002

hey bebe



Recent "fire" claim.

Bathroom part of a porch conversion into an addition many PO years ago. Current owner four years in.

It gets cold, so they like to plug in a 1200-watt heater.

Into the medicine cabinet plug.



Owner noticed a dark spot on the wall. Became concerned and safed the breaker.

Hmmm



There does not seem to be any junction box.

Enhance:



She'd been routinely pulling 1200-watts for up to an hour at a time through that. 14-ga. stranded wire/tape. As well as powering four 40-watt incandescents. Her response saved the house.

PainterofCrap fucked around with this message at 04:48 on Jan 13, 2023

VelociBacon
Dec 8, 2009

PainterofCrap posted:

Recent "fire" claim.

Bathroom part of a porch conversion into an addition many PO years ago. Current owner four years in.

It gets cold, so they like to plug in a 1200-watt heater.

Into the medicine cabinet plug.



Owner noticed a dark spot on the wall. Became concerned and safed the breaker.

Hmmm



There does not seem to be any junction box.

Enhance:



She'd been routinely pulling 1200-watts for up to an hour at a time through that. 14-ga. stranded wire/tape. As well as powering four 40-watt incandescents. Her response saved the house.

Would someone's insurance cover that btw if she didn't do anything and the house burned down?

PainterofCrap
Oct 17, 2002

hey bebe



When I find things that are preparing to imminently explode/catch fire/kill somebody, but are not actually doing anything yet, such as



I tell the homeowner while I'm there. I explain it has to be remedied forthwith, and that I am required to report it to underwriting.

Underwriting will send them a sternly-worded letter requiring immediate remedy & proof of same under threat of policy cancellation.

Even so, at any point if it goes while the policy is still in force, it's a covered loss.

I've had this whole scenario occur, and it's no fun for the homeowner to have their house burn down/get flooded out, especially when they knew there was a problem and were working on fixing it (i.e. trying to scrape together the cash).

It's covered, sure.

Now: if there is, say, an active leak I see while I'm there (for something else) and the owner seems unconcerned, thinking that hey, this hosed-up 70's basement rumpus room could use a remodel on the company dime, I explain that failure to correct on ongoing issue that they are aware of and that actually is in the course of doing damage would result in denial of that claim at whatever future date it's reported, because I document all of this stuff, and part of the investigation of a claim is looking up prior claims, and...reading the log notes, where this would pop up.

You are required to take steps to protect your property when a known issue is occurring.

VelociBacon
Dec 8, 2009

PainterofCrap posted:

When I find things that are preparing to imminently explode/catch fire/kill somebody, but are not actually doing anything yet, such as



I tell the homeowner while I'm there. I explain it has to be remedied forthwith, and that I am required to report it to underwriting.

Underwriting will send them a sternly-worded letter requiring immediate remedy & proof of same under threat of policy cancellation.

Even so, at any point if it goes while the policy is still in force, it's a covered loss.

I've had this whole scenario occur, and it's no fun for the homeowner to have their house burn down/get flooded out, especially when they knew there was a problem and were working on fixing it (i.e. trying to scrape together the cash).

It's covered, sure.

Now: if there is, say, an active leak I see while I'm there (for something else) and the owner seems unconcerned, thinking that hey, this hosed-up 70's basement rumpus room could use a remodel on the company dime, I explain that failure to correct on ongoing issue that they are aware of and that actually is in the course of doing damage would result in denial of that claim at whatever future date it's reported, because I document all of this stuff, and part of the investigation of a claim is looking up prior claims, and...reading the log notes, where this would pop up.

You are required to take steps to protect your property when a known issue is occurring.

Interesting, so are you generally hired by potential home buyers or are you paid by the insurance companies and it's a clause that the owners have to bring an inspector in every 5 years etc?

I've owned for less than a year and it's a concrete high rise condo. I just found the water cutoffs today!

PainterofCrap
Oct 17, 2002

hey bebe



VelociBacon posted:

Interesting, so are you generally hired by potential home buyers or are you paid by the insurance companies and it's a clause that the owners have to bring an inspector in every 5 years etc?

I've owned for less than a year and it's a concrete high rise condo. I just found the water cutoffs today!

I'm there for a loss.

Years ago, I did underwriting home inspections as an added job to handling property claims, for Prudential.

As part of adjusting, we keep an eye out for issues; I report the ones that make me go, 'yikes!'

Or if a railing or stair tread gives way while I'm using it, that's automatic...but your front steps have to be pretty bad before I'll dime you. I try to be reasonable.

And yes, it's in the policy conditions that you have to protect your property, especially from further damage.

PainterofCrap fucked around with this message at 06:06 on Jan 13, 2023

wesleywillis
Dec 30, 2016

SUCK A MALE CAMEL'S DICK WITH MIRACLE WHIP!!
Every time painter of crap posts about insurance stuff, I imagine him as the insurance investigator with the action packed expense account, Johnny Dollar.

PurpleXVI
Oct 30, 2011

Spewing insults, pissing off all your neighbors, betraying your allies, backing out of treaties and accords, and generally screwing over the global environment?
ALL PART OF MY BRILLIANT STRATEGY!

Not a lot to add, I just wanted to say that I think your posts are genuinely interesting!

StormDrain
May 22, 2003

Thirteen Letter

wesleywillis posted:

Every time painter of crap posts about insurance stuff, I imagine him as the insurance investigator with the action packed expense account, Johnny Dollar.

I imagine it as Columbo.

"I don't want to take up too much of your time sir so let me just get out of your hair, I just had one more question. Last time I was here I remember we talked about a slight drip in the back corner of that bonus room, did you ever get someone to patch that up? "

`Nemesis
Dec 30, 2000

railroad graffiti


Utah, blame the mormons.

VelociBacon
Dec 8, 2009

Xerol
Jan 13, 2007



Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

what do you even put in that many cabinets? do mormons have multiple sets of dishes like observant jews?

and what goes in the empty floor space?

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

Sagebrush posted:

what do you even put in that many cabinets? do mormons have multiple sets of dishes like observant jews?

Mormons are the original preppers. They are encouraged to keep one YEAR of basic nutrition that will last without refrigeration.

CRUSTY MINGE
Mar 30, 2011

Peggy Hill
Foot Connoisseur
Not just for themselves, but also their neighbors. Mormonism pushes watching out for your neighbor as much as yourself in a catastrophic event.

Mormons are weird. Practically Canadian.

VelociBacon
Dec 8, 2009

CRUSTY MINGE posted:

Not just for themselves, but also their neighbors. Mormonism pushes watching out for your neighbor as much as yourself in a catastrophic event.

Mormons are weird. Practically Canadian.

People in like NYC are (even before 9/11) 10000x times more looking out for other people than Canadians. I don't know where the stereotype comes from (probably from the small towns where everyone knows everyone else). I moved in April last year and I don't know my neighbor's names.

CRUSTY MINGE
Mar 30, 2011

Peggy Hill
Foot Connoisseur
Mormons tend to be polite. Canadians are stereotypically polite.

Of course that changes behind your back with both groups, but they'll usually be nice to your face.

VelociBacon
Dec 8, 2009

It's that old 'kind but not nice' thing up here eh bud

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

We're all mad here.


CRUSTY MINGE posted:

Not just for themselves, but also their neighbors. Mormonism pushes watching out for your neighbor as much as yourself in a catastrophic event.

I think that also relies on the assumption that your neighbors are supposed to be Mormon as well.

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Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares



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