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someone could be a fantastic player, be making all the right decisions much better than their teammates, and have a negative KD b/c of variance
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You know something that's really been striking me is that sojourn's hitbox is loving crazy small for a character with the damage output that she has and the movement ability. She's broken in so many ways and they just refuse to admit it. I'm sure she'll get another tiny adjustment that isn't really a nerf down the track.
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Jan 15, 2023 09:31
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i mean according to blizz assuming they weren't misinterpreting their stats, pre-nerf sojourn was a losing character until you got to the top of the ladder where she was good players have a decent pavlovlian response to soldier ult and mccree ult to scramble like roaches to cover and not give unnecessary line of sight. but for w/e reason, players will give an enemy sojourn's terribly timed ult as many 1-shot opportunities as possible and not even make any effort making you line of sighting the sojourn to deny her a bad play lol.
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Jan 15, 2023 19:05
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comedyblissoption posted:someone could be a fantastic player, be making all the right decisions much better than their teammates, and have a negative KD b/c of variance I mean I suppose? Sometimes you do everything right and you get one-shot, oh well. But (particularly in regards to DPS) the overwhelming majority of the time the dude dying twice as much as anyone else is doing so for some combination of: --running in 1v5 before the fight starts and getting insta-owned --running in 1v5 after the fight ends and getting insta-owned --taking bad flanks --running away from heals --forgetting cover exists --peeking a Widow or Hanzo or pocketed Sojourn or Ashe with like, a Symmetra And of course these things do happen in the normal course of just playing the game and being human but the guys who die often do them over and over and over again. Dogs learn faster! dying is very bad in Over Watch Two and it's very difficult to get value if you're dying so often.
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Jan 15, 2023 19:55
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comedyblissoption posted:i mean according to blizz assuming they weren't misinterpreting their stats, pre-nerf sojourn was a losing character until you got to the top of the ladder where she was good I mean, you can't even really scramble to cover for soj ult. She just fly's halfway across the map and pops you midair.
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Jan 15, 2023 20:16
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people do games where say a gold player plays with the rest of the game being GM players or w/e. when the gold player's team loses, they might point to their team's losing bad stats as the reason for their loss and the winning team's good stats. but then when the gold player switches to the other team and they lose, suddenly the team with great stats now has bad stats and the team with terrible stats has good stats. the lack of pressure or support caused by a lesser skilled player hurt everyone else's output and made the enemy's output greater. someone having "bad" stats is a culmination of the entire team's output. the outcome of the match is an aggregate of the entire team's responsibility. trying to pin blame on a singular person's "bad" stats is a really incorrect way to view how the game works. if someone has like a 0.5 k/d in a particular silver II game with other silver IIs that are accurately rated and the other silver IIs are stomping, they are still all the same skill level. the only stat that meaningfully represents skill is the elo-based skill rating.
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Jan 15, 2023 20:30
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dogstile posted:I mean, you can't even really scramble to cover for soj ult. She just fly's halfway across the map and pops you midair. what i'm saying is that, people don't even TRY to line of sight a terribly timed and positioned sojourn ult. it's just like here sojourn you pressed the button before the team fight even started and you're still back at the choke? here's a bunch of freebies to go for lol. people don't do this even with greatly positioned and timed soldier or mccree ults.
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Jan 15, 2023 20:31
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Cassidy : Slows down Glows and has a map wide audio cue 76: map wide audio cue visual cue on his visor Hud extending immediately becomes more aggressive Soj: does she say anything I've never heard it ever just kills you Soj sucks
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Jan 15, 2023 22:05
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Yeah I was gonna suggest it's a verbal cue that's just so generic and understated.
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Jan 15, 2023 22:26
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MJBuddy posted:Yeah I was gonna suggest it's a verbal cue that's just so generic and understated. I've definitely gotten to the point where I can recognize it coming but the fact that I can't call to mind the actual voice line makes me inclined to agree with you.
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Jan 15, 2023 22:27
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Widow: map wide audio cue
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Jan 15, 2023 22:30
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Soj says "this ends now!" or something equally as generic and forgettable.
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Jan 15, 2023 22:31
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Cassidy and Soldier both yell really loud and you can always know that "they are somewhere in this direction, so I just behind cover to where ever I heard the ult from and I'll be safe.". With Soj you can learn to hear her generic ult callout but you can't take cover from her because she has Moira's teleport super-jump that she can use twice during the ult. You can't take cover against that. Sojourn should just not be able to headshot, period.
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Jan 15, 2023 22:36
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That plus her mobility. With Cassidy/Soldier I immediately try to identify flanks and high ground but with Soj she's probably about to just slide boost right through the middle of combat. I will say I'm very rarely actually concerned at my level. I guess a few have good runs here and there but on console at my skill tiers no one is popping heads.
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Jan 15, 2023 22:37
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Bastions ult callout always confuses me because I forget which team he's on.
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Jan 15, 2023 22:46
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At least Bastion's ult doesn't kill anything ever.
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Jan 15, 2023 22:47
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forcing sojourn to get super hyper aggro to get a pick with her ult does make her more vulnerable and can burn her mobility cooldown to engage, meaning she doesn't have it to instantly run away and a potential window to collapse on her again this isn't usually an issue b/c people just like to keep looking at her w/o costing her anything lol soj's voicelines in general do suck though and her overpowered ult voiceline is really subpar for how much it does. people react instantly and like crazy to soldier ult which is way less impactful lol comedyblissoption fucked around with this message at 22:58 on Jan 15, 2023 |
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Jan 15, 2023 22:54
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lol https://www.dexerto.com/overwatch/overwatch-2-players-now-getting-more-coins-doing-bing-searches-than-playing-game-2023826/
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Jan 16, 2023 01:05
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It's wild that Tracer's ult is worse than Cassidy's grenade. Although if you play against the casual AI and throw Tracer's bomb on the floor three AI helpfully walk into it.Altared State posted:lol lmao
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Jan 16, 2023 04:51
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it is so cool having a pocketed sojourn in all my games!
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Jan 16, 2023 05:55
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comedyblissoption posted:what i'm saying is that, people don't even TRY to line of sight a terribly timed and positioned sojourn ult. it's just like here sojourn you pressed the button before the team fight even started and you're still back at the choke? well luckily the ult lasts for 8 seconds so there's still time to laser people
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Jan 16, 2023 06:45
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Rick posted:It's wild that Tracer's ult is worse than Cassidy's grenade. Although if you play against the casual AI and throw Tracer's bomb on the floor three AI helpfully walk into it. As a Tracer "main" this outright gives me the shits. I'm often better shooting someone that trying to get them with the ult. Odds are I'll only get one person if I stick it anyway and most of the characters can shrug it off anyway. The only time I get more is if what you said happens and people just walk onto it. The last time I got a triple it was two walkers and Mercy flying into it. Also Sojourns ult line is "it ends now" and goes the same distance as the others, and none of them are map wide in OW2.
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Jan 16, 2023 08:29
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I've had Tracer try to ult me when I play Moira so many times and I'm still just as baffled every time they do it.
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Jan 16, 2023 08:40
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comedyblissoption posted:forcing sojourn to get super hyper aggro to get a pick with her ult does make her more vulnerable and can burn her mobility cooldown to engage, meaning she doesn't have it to instantly run away and a potential window to collapse on her I mean, right now the big play in ranked (I no longer play scrim stuff, so i assume it might be different there) is that she'll just get Nano'd/Mercy pocketed so she can still just one tap everyone while being at very little risk. Like, as a tank, I can't actually take her out of the fight when she ults unless I hook her and hope she isn't nano'd. Otherwise she just burns me instead, which is still a teamfight win. Every other tank she straight up just ignores.
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Jan 16, 2023 11:16
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Altared State posted:lol It is a good poo poo post article. He has gotten '240' coins by playing since launch, which is less than quarter available. Getting first tier of weeklies every other week?  Yeah, but Microsoft points are easier coins to collect.
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Issaries posted:He has gotten '240' coins by playing since launch, which is less than quarter available. Getting first tier of weeklies every other week? When Blizzard says "jump", you jump, little piggy.
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Issaries posted:It is a good poo poo post article. God forbid you play any other games or do anything else with your already free time than play Overwatch(not knocking you here,it's an obvious design choice by Blizzard is what I'm saying). Honestly it'd be kind of possible if Blizzard cared about the lore in any of the games they make anymore.
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https://twitter.com/OhReallyJared/status/1613923785006280707?s=20&t=SVseS7ID4mrwqGpgpAypiQ "Lack of choice in rewards" sounds like they may do the bare minimum and put some sort of skin token in the battlepass instead of actually making it good.
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Jan 16, 2023 13:57
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Been having more fun playing vampire survivors lately, lol.
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I haven't played in two weeks due to Witcher 3. I have hunt contracts to fill and treasures to hunt.
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I'm currently just refusing to play Orisa and using Winston/Hog everywhere. It's amazing how many people will accuse me of throwing because they're letting Orisa 4v1 in the backline while I have 4 people on me in the frontline. I guess they'll stubbornly keep playing Cree on R66 first point though. I'm sure they'll assault the high ground soon.
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dogstile posted:I'm currently just refusing to play Orisa and using Winston/Hog everywhere. Ha, I feel like this is every game, two teams 4v1 the raid boss Orissa. Whichever team has the healers that can multitask better win.
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it feels like a lot of tanking is ignoring the other tank and shooting the squishies, like the game has broken down into two parallel encounters at once.
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Cpt_Obvious posted:it feels like a lot of tanking is ignoring the other tank and shooting the squishies, like the game has broken down into two parallel encounters at once.
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Jan 16, 2023 19:02
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i wish there was some way to teach the playerbase that a gold I non-meta player gives them the same chance of winning as a gold I meta player and so on through every rank [ignoring map/composition/matchup factors]
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Pvt. Parts posted:Isn't that... how an asymmetric team battler should play out? It's really weird that a tanks job is to just go murder stuff faster than the other tank while everyone else's job is to "not die", tbh. They should just nerf Orisa into the ground for a bit and see where the meta goes. Right now every match goes like this, if you don't start with Orisa. Play non-meta tank - Currently this is Ram/Winston/Dva for a lot of people. Whoever loses first immediately swaps to Hog. The other tank now has to either swap to Hog or Orisa so they don't throw. If one of the hogs starts losing, go Orisa. Orisa is picked, you should also go Orisa or face a significantly harder game. E: I am aware she doesn't work on all maps, but its on the majority of maps, so much so that it makes me want to play less.
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Pvt. Parts posted:Isn't that... how an asymmetric team battler should play out? It's like countering enemy Pharah by switching to Pharah and racing her to kill enemy backline first, which has become a legit strategy that I see all the loving time, and also it's garbage.
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Jan 17, 2023 12:41
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that's one of the core strategies in ow: if you can outskill the opponent on a mirror matchup, then you should just play the mirror
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I hope they either nerf Orisa or, preferably, buff all the lovely tanks. I just want to play Orisa in peace and not have to deal with constant mirrors.
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After playing a lot of the Battle For Olympus I really wish Junker Queen was viable, she's extremely fun to murder things with (also the only fun character in that mode)
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