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Laterite posted:shift the conversation to how the sun will swallow the earth in 500m years instead and see where that goes technically it will merely become so luminous that it "It will take at least 1 billion years from now to deplete liquid water from the Earth," instead of actually absorbing the planet itself so it's fine. We've got like a whole billion years to pack up everything and gtfo, it's plenty of time, it's fine. We can just move to Saturn.
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Jan 16, 2023 13:13
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Schwein im Schlamm?
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Jan 16, 2023 16:42
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Marenghi posted:Feels like a metaphor for man's response to climate change. Making things worse in the long term just to maintain some semblance of normalcy in the short term. I have a theory lot of people know how bad it is. They are just hoping they die before the worst of it. But until then they want to be able dine out and enjoy brunch without thinking about how future generations will be turbofucked. That's pretty explicitly what people have been doing. Part of the reason it's so hard to convince anyone of the urgency of the problem is that the narrative for decades specifically framed it as a problem for your grandchildren. In other words, far enough into the future that not only do you not need to worry, but you also don't need to be afraid for your kids. You're so far removed from the problem that no one that you care about or who even exists yet will need to worry. It's still hard to convince people who are otherwise onboard with climate change being an existential threat that their own kids might end up getting seriously hosed by it, let alone convincing them that it might impact their own futures.
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Jan 16, 2023 17:02
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a strange fowl posted:apparently people decompose more slowly than they used to. i have done little research though, it's not my scene
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Jan 16, 2023 18:03
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a strange fowl posted:apparently people decompose more slowly than they used to. i have done little research though, it's not my scene they don't decompose em like they used to!!!
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Jan 16, 2023 18:08
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OIL PANIC posted:yea, cus we killed all* the vultures icymi: https://twitter.com/paracelsus1092/status/1608737817206849541
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Jan 16, 2023 18:21
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Paradoxish posted:That's pretty explicitly what people have been doing. Part of the reason it's so hard to convince anyone of the urgency of the problem is that the narrative for decades specifically framed it as a problem for your grandchildren. In other words, far enough into the future that not only do you not need to worry, but you also don't need to be afraid for your kids. You're so far removed from the problem that no one that you care about or who even exists yet will need to worry. A person I met recently went into her own little remarks about carbon and climate change when we got to talking about the strange weather - which is pretty rare. I felt encouraged before she said that her children's children will have to deal with what's been done. So close
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Jan 16, 2023 18:47
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Perry Mason Jar posted:A person I met recently went into her own little remarks about carbon and climate change when we got to talking about the strange weather - which is pretty rare. I felt encouraged before she said that her children's children will have to deal with what's been done. So close What's funny is that we were telling people "it's a problem for your grandchildren" thirty years ago and it never occurs to people now that their children are those grandchildren, or even that they themselves are the grandchildren in the original discussion.
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Jan 16, 2023 19:03
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"It will be a problem but not for you because you'll be dead" really didn't work as a way of communicating the need for change or the scale of the project.
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Jan 16, 2023 19:05
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Yeah, "well we'll all be dead before it kicks in nbd" is the #1 reaction i've heard about climate anything goddamn, you were just talking about your grandkid
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Jan 16, 2023 20:35
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Tbh it's not wrong, once the hyper tornado ragdolls you into stratosphere you're both dead and it's no longer a problem
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Jan 16, 2023 21:18
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It's one of those monkey paw things
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Jan 16, 2023 21:18
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I suspect the death of community and the triumph of hyperindividualism is why nobody gives a poo poo about future - even imminent - generations
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Jan 16, 2023 21:25
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Laterite posted:shift the conversation to how the sun will swallow the earth in 500m years instead and see where that goes i show people this video https://youtu.be/uD4izuDMUQA it’s always interesting to see who reacts with surprised despair or calming, peaceful realization. usually people are more the later, from what I noticed.
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Jan 16, 2023 21:27
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The Earth just happens to be an increasingly-warmer hot potato, as thrown from one generation to the next.
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Jan 16, 2023 21:29
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Joe Biden can't make me eat a bug!!! Hell no
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Jan 16, 2023 22:26
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smoobles posted:Joe Biden can't make me eat a bug!!! Hell no Time to give up processed foods then
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Jan 16, 2023 22:56
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joe's gonna hide the bug inside a slice of american cheese and you're gonna gobble it right up
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Jan 16, 2023 22:58
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I was made severely ill by eating bugs. But I never hated them. I said, 'Thank you for your protein.'
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Jan 16, 2023 23:03
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i guess an amoeba is a kind of bug
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Jan 16, 2023 23:08
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the important thing to remember is that we need a large systemic solution and that any small individual solution is pointless and can be ignored. that way there isn't any specific project that is bad. oh you want to bulldoze a bunch of forests and build a parking lot there? sounds fine. we need a systemic solution to us destroying the environment after all.
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Jan 16, 2023 23:40
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Stereotype posted:the important thing to remember is that we need a large systemic solution and that any small individual solution is pointless and can be ignored. that way there isn't any specific project that is bad. oh you want to bulldoze a bunch of forests and build a parking lot there? sounds fine. we need a systemic solution to us destroying the environment after all. If we broke up the big banks tomorrow, would that end racism? Would that end sexism?
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Jan 17, 2023 00:22
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Trabisnikof posted:If we broke up the big banks tomorrow, would that end racism? Would that end sexism? It's ironic that as often as these people say "don't let perfect be the enemy of good" whenever anyone thinks about doing hardball negotiating by walking away from marginal improvement, they're the ones who say things like that about letting banks who targeted formerly redlined communities as easier to scam off the hook
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Jan 17, 2023 00:25
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Stereotype posted:the important thing to remember is that we need a large systemic solution and that any small individual solution is pointless and can be ignored. that way there isn't any specific project that is bad. oh you want to bulldoze a bunch of forests and build a parking lot there? sounds fine. we need a systemic solution to us destroying the environment after all. Market based solutions that allow people to dismiss the peril looming over everything we know, in service of short sighted greed. Nobody's fault, nobody's problem! "Smart people are working hard to solve this you know and I see you have a cell phone so maybe you're not as committed as you pretend to be!" Hmm excellent good point, so you're saying you want to be part of me getting committed for real huh sounds rad should I wear your skin like a suit and wear it while I dance around the carefully constructed bone cairn I make of your remains? What do you mean you're cutting me off?!?!? It's a pun get it?
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Jan 17, 2023 01:12
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDD3jEqpIc8
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Jan 17, 2023 01:28
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Trabisnikof posted:If we broke up the big banks tomorrow, would that end racism? Would that end sexism? If we devolve socially to mad Max cannibal road gangs I feel confident that both of those problems would cease to be in remarkably short order.
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Jan 17, 2023 01:53
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I dunno about you guys, but I would eat the bugs. If the bugs are eating food waste that would otherwise go into the compost, I may as well consume the cricket flour protein bars before I head off to my job-sharing arrangement. Plus, I may as well eat the bugs while they're still here.
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Jan 17, 2023 02:01
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f892tuaMRzk
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Jan 17, 2023 03:33
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hahaha how do you die of too mcuh rain, mothafucker just float or walk away hahahahaha
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Jan 17, 2023 03:36
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the really weird thing to me is I have not really seen any Californians talk about this. you'd expect a flood of posts complaining about it, but near-total silence
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Jan 17, 2023 03:38
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fried crickets are just natures chicken nuggets
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Jan 17, 2023 03:38
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God Hole posted:a few years back, whenever climate change would come up in conversation with friends, I made it a point to clarify how dire things were by citing as broadly-accepted sources as possible like Science and Nature and the IPCC. apparently, this behavior led some becoming concerned for my sanity and others to refer to me as a "doomer" behind my back. i've never understood why that's the case, you've got a fresh corpse, a guy standing over it with a bloody knife and everyone's "what an unexpected tragedy, no way this could have been prevented and nothing can be done" the people who did this have names and addresses.
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Jan 17, 2023 03:59
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Harik posted:the people who did this have names and addresses. There are more epitaphs than addresses at this point. We've been at this for generations now.
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Jan 17, 2023 04:35
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Start redacting factories and executives
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Jan 17, 2023 04:36
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Cup Runneth Over posted:the really weird thing to me is I have not really seen any Californians talk about this. you'd expect a flood of posts complaining about it, but near-total silence fires more visually dynamic and effects people from indirect components in a much wider area like for road closures people in the area might not directly see them because of autonav things in cars
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Jan 17, 2023 04:43
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Mayor Dave posted:Start redacting factories and executives If people stopped being rampant consumers the problem would solve itself. Edit - I'm not sure how you get people to voluntarily stop acting like a locust plaque though. DancingShade has issued a correction as of 04:47 on Jan 17, 2023 |
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Jan 17, 2023 04:44
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Armadillo Tank posted:fires more visually dynamic and effects people from indirect components in a much wider area no one even talks about the torrential rains flooding the streets and homes
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Jan 17, 2023 04:50
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Cup Runneth Over posted:the really weird thing to me is I have not really seen any Californians talk about this. you'd expect a flood of posts complaining about it, but near-total silence For most Californians this was just a prolonged period of rain and some occasional wind. The people who got hurt at scale outside flood protected areas - the homeless, the poor in the Valley, farm workers - have no voice that anybody cares about and the news isn't going to give them the time of day. The rivers didn't overflow badly so homes weren't getting destroyed by the hundred, levies held, etc. The most exciting bit was when that gale swept through and took a tenth of the state off the power grid for a couple days but... it was a couple of days. No biggie.
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Jan 17, 2023 05:04
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Cup Runneth Over posted:the really weird thing to me is I have not really seen any Californians talk about this. you'd expect a flood of posts complaining about it, but near-total silence its hitting places nobody cares about op
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Jan 17, 2023 05:06
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DancingShade posted:If people stopped being rampant consumers the problem would solve itself. you can't, lol
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