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Defenestrategy posted:Yea, it's a thing in wrestling that kinda never made sense to me that relationships in wrestling don't really seem to be carried on all that much. I think that as a face they're supposed to be above it all and not stoop to the heels level. Thats less applicable currently but it's still there. That's the reason Steve Austin got so big. He was the first kind of face willing to crawl around in the dirt with the heels.
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Sandman McMahon posted:Wrestling needs more Legion of Doom style stables. Just give me all the heels, no matter how disparate, teaming up to whoop some babyface butt. Legion of Doom was just two guys though. Well, and Paul Ellering but he was just the manager.
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MrBling posted:Legion of Doom was just two guys though. Well, and Paul Ellering but he was just the manager. No, prior to them being the Road Warriors in NWA, they were part of a larger stable called the Legion of Doom with Jake Roberts and King Kong Bundy. I think like Norvel Austin may have been in there at some point also.
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EdsTeioh posted:No, prior to them being the Road Warriors in NWA, they were part of a larger stable called the Legion of Doom with Jake Roberts and King Kong Bundy. I think like Norvel Austin may have been in there at some point also. They had already been the Road Warriors for awhile in Georgia when that formed.
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RenegadeStyle1 posted:
Hulk Hogan is pointing at you and getting ready to give you an old fashioned eye poke/back rake one two, brother.
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Hogan hits someone with a chair on the outside, match not called Jesse Ventura: You're telling me if I bring a gun to the ring and shoot my opponent it's okay because I did it on the outside?
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I want to say it was '95 or '96 - or maybe both - where the Rumble was pretty much wall to wall jobbers and gimmick midcarders because they had such a dearth of talent at the time.
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Bonk posted:I want to say it was '95 or '96 - or maybe both - where the Rumble was pretty much wall to wall jobbers and gimmick midcarders because they had such a dearth of talent at the time. 95 was really bad and outside of HBK the next biggest stars were Luger, Owen, Smith, Backlund and Bundy. The rest of the field ranged from jobber to midcarder. 96 was better. It was still obvious Michaels was winning but you also had Vader, Diesel and some other big names like Yokozuna. Plus midcard guys like Austin and HHH were in featured roles and Jake Roberts returned. The Rumble did have some odd contestants though like Doug Gilbert and the Samoan Squat Team.
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DeathChicken posted:Hogan hits someone with a chair on the outside, match not called I mean, yeah. Or if the ref doesn't see it. How many matches have been stopped in the middle because one of the participants was getting arrested?
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I think New Jack/Gypsy Joe had been over for a while by the time the cops showed up
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Defenestrategy posted:Yea, it's a thing in wrestling that kinda never made sense to me that relationships in wrestling don't really seem to be carried on all that much. Whether that is a good thing is up to interpretation, but yeah it is always fun when that does happen when someone not directly involved in a feud comes out to stop the heel from being a Bad Sort Of Fellow because the other face has been burned in the past RenegadeStyle1 posted:That's the reason Steve Austin got so big. He was the first kind of face willing to crawl around in the dirt with the heels. Admiral Joeslop posted:How many matches have been stopped in the middle because one of the participants was getting arrested? so close!
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Bonk posted:I want to say it was '95 or '96 - or maybe both - where the Rumble was pretty much wall to wall jobbers and gimmick midcarders because they had such a dearth of talent at the time. Here's a quick look back at the Rumble rosters during the New Generation. - 1993 is right after the beginning of the New Generation, so there's a lot of holdover from the Hogan Era. The midcard is pretty over outside of some random names (Terry Taylor, Max Moon, Skinner, "Rocket" Owen Hart). It's just a weird roster overall because the opening two are former champions Ric Flair and Bob Backlund where Flair has one foot out the door and Backlund is so alien to this era that they have to use this match to get him over. The match centered around Yokozuna's dominance and the only viable faces to stop him were Mr. Perfect (eliminated unfairly), Undertaker (eliminated unfairly) and Randy Savage (booked into being a dumbass). - 1994 does not have too many viable winners, but the midcard is actually pretty solid. It just has such an awful stretch of participants at the end. Not only is there a no-show, but the last three entrants are Fatu, Marty Jannetty and Adam Bomb. Lex and Bret show up in the final ten, but they're selling massive beatings at the time and there's no energy to them showing up. - 1995 has a handful of great names and then the quality drops to the ground with guys like Well-Dunn, the Bushwackers (they're still here?!), Mantaur and Aldo Montoya. The thing about this is that SO MUCH OF IT could have been forgiven if they booked the bigger names better. Bundy was there for three minutes, Mabel was there for one minute and Backlund and Owen were there for seconds. Meanwhile, Eli Blu was there for ten minutes. - 1996 was when WWF was starting to rebuild its roster. There are only a couple truly lame lower-carders on there like Aldo Montoya, Barry Horowitz and Marty Jannetty. They went with five guest wrestlers instead of searching for more jobbers, which was a double-edged sword. The guest wrestlers made the match feel more unpredictable other than the fact that none of them had any tangible success. - 1997 had four luchadors in there to fill up spots, but otherwise the only real losers on the roster are Fake Razor and I guess Bart Gunn. It's a unique Rumble to watch because the Attitude Era guys are there... just not really. Jesse James, the Sultan and Fake Diesel are lame, but I want to give them a break because they're going to be big deals in a year or so.
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Gavok posted:- 1996 was when WWF was starting to rebuild its roster. There are only a couple truly lame lower-carders on there like Aldo Montoya, Barry Horowitz and Marty Jannetty. Jannetty was already pretty washed and on the way out by 1996, but he had the talent to be a much bigger deal than he was.
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Last year when Kenny and the Young Bucks were wraping up their championship runs I thought that the story was going to go in that "Everyone they hosed over gets their revenge" direction but then it didn't. Something about the plot suggested it.
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CommonShore posted:Last year when Kenny and the Young Bucks were wraping up their championship runs I thought that the story was going to go in that "Everyone they hosed over gets their revenge" direction but then it didn't. Something about the plot suggested it. Yea. I think a few people got boned by that, especially kaz who had every reason to rush the outside to beat up random elite members interfearing in a match, but didnt and got wrekt by *checks notes* doc gallows. For his trouble.
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rujasu posted:Jannetty was already pretty washed and on the way out by 1996, but he had the talent to be a much bigger deal than he was. Michaels becoming a main event face is what really showed how far Jannetty had fallen around that time. When they had a singles match, it was apparent that Jannetty had gone from a vengeful former partner to a guy left in the dust. Michaels was a top name and Jannetty was teaming up with Al Snow and failing to work well as a heel. CommonShore posted:Last year when Kenny and the Young Bucks were wraping up their championship runs I thought that the story was going to go in that "Everyone they hosed over gets their revenge" direction but then it didn't. Something about the plot suggested it. Probably Eddie Kingston calling everyone cowards for not doing anything about it.
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MassRafTer posted:They had already been the Road Warriors for awhile in Georgia when that formed. Right, but what I'm saying here is that initially the Road Warriors were a part of a larger stable called Legion of Doom. OP said that LoD was just 2 guys, which it initially wasn't.
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I could see MJF inspiring that kind of storyline. Imagine Danielson loses the iron man match because mjf uses the diamond ring. Danielson then dedicates himself to preventing it from happening to anyone else. Danielson runs out to prevent MJF from hitting Eddie Kingston with the ring and ushers in the greatest title reign in AEW history.
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Let us not forget other notable legion of doom members Droz, Heidenreich, Ahmed Johnson, and Kensuke Sasaki.
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Are there many/any legacy tag teams? As in, one person got replaced, then eventually the other original member is replaced, and so on forever, still using the same tag team name. I'm drawing a blank; maybe Demolition? I'm not including stables like the Four Horsemen. I remember things like the New Midnight Express or whatever Cornette was doing around the beginning of the Attitude Era but they weren't kayfabe considered the same tag team I don't think?
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Admiral Joeslop posted:Are there many/any legacy tag teams? As in, one person got replaced, then eventually the other original member is replaced, and so on forever, still using the same tag team name. I'm drawing a blank; maybe Demolition? I'm not including stables like the Four Horsemen. Even though they were technically a stable, the Colony still works in a tag team sense. Started off as Fire Ant and Soldier Ant. Eventually, Worker Ant joined and they became a stable. Many members joined and left over the years. At one point, pretty much every Colony member other than Fire Ant had been taken off the board due to career-ending injury or whatever (Soldier Ant had lost his sight, Worker Ant II had his back destroyed, etc.). Fire Ant became an angry loner who viciously beat down those responsible. Two rookies took the gimmicks of Green Ant II and Thief Ant and started calling themselves the Colony. Fire Ant kicked their asses and told them to drop the gimmick, either to protect them or because he considered them a mockery. They tried to win him over a few times, but he wasn't having it. They considered giving up, but Soldier Ant appeared before them to insist they keep at it. Fire Ant, Green Ant II and Thief Ant ended up teaming for King of Trios and won the whole thing. Fire Ant accepted them as the Colony and all was well. Now even with Chikara long gone, Green Ant II and Thief Ant are still around as Electro Ant and Ultimo Ant and still call themselves the Colony.
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MrBling posted:Legion of Doom was just two guys though. Well, and Paul Ellering but he was just the manager. No I mean like these guys 
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titties posted:Let us not forget other notable legion of doom members Droz, Heidenreich, Ahmed Johnson, and Kensuke Sasaki. And Crush for a little while. Does Sunny count?
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Admiral Joeslop posted:Are there many/any legacy tag teams? As in, one person got replaced, then eventually the other original member is replaced, and so on forever, still using the same tag team name. I'm drawing a blank; maybe Demolition? I'm not including stables like the Four Horsemen. The Midnight Express actually is an example here. They were initially a stable that sort of coalesced into a tag team of Dennis Condrey and Randy Rose. Rose was eventually replaced by Bobby Eaton, Condrey was later replaced with Stan Lane. At some point later than THAT, Condrey and Rose returned as the Original Midnight Express and feuded with the actual Midnight Express.
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What about The Andersons? Starts with Gene and Lars and ends up as Ole and Arn. Were there some other combinations in there?
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I guess the Von Erichs in MLW would count since they're Kevin's kids, but I don't know if using a family name is the same as a gimmick successor.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:And Crush for a little while. And Christy Hemme. Does anyone even remember that? Also, smh at the Rocco erasure.
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Bonk posted:I guess the Von Erichs in MLW would count since they're Kevin's kids, but I don't know if using a family name is the same as a gimmick successor. As far as I can remember, all the Von Erichs are actually related except for one or two that were billed as "Von Erich" family members.
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edogawa rando posted:And Christy Hemme. Does anyone even remember that? oh right, didn't Hemme wear like a spiky bustier or something?
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kane and x-pac turned into kane and rvd. later when ecw returned, rvd started teaming with cm punk a bit. that was all the same tag team
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edogawa rando posted:And Christy Hemme. Does anyone even remember that? Wasn't he Freckles at one point?
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Gavok posted:Even though they were technically a stable, the Colony still works in a tag team sense. Man, I miss Chikara.
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Willie Mack is facing Cage on Rampage this week. Is this Mack's biggest television audience ever?
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Nehru the Damaja posted:Willie Mack is facing Cage on Rampage this week. Is this Mack's biggest television audience ever? If he was on Lucha Underground season 1, no. They were on UniMas before getting canceled on that network at the end of Season 1, so that would have been a larger audience than Rampage.
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MassRafTer posted:If he was on Lucha Underground season 1, no. They were on UniMas before getting canceled on that network at the end of Season 1, so that would have been a larger audience than Rampage. Fittingly, Willie Mack's biggest television audience would probably be Ultima Lucha, where he took on Brian Cage.
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Clearly Willie Mack's biggest audience was wrestling Brian Cage on Elevation last week.
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JBL was lovely and his time as champion and/ or title contender sucked so much rear end. Would it have been better and more believable if he had remained APA-style Bradshaw instead of the rich longhorn financial guru character? I ask simply because i always popped for acolyte Bradshaw but can't even imagine ever getting excited for jbl
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titties posted:JBL was lovely and his time as champion and/ or title contender sucked so much rear end. Yep, same. Loved the APA, and him and Faarooq wrecking poo poo and his goddamn clothesline. The JBL poo poo bored me to tears.
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titties posted:JBL was lovely and his time as champion and/ or title contender sucked so much rear end. Before I knew about all the bullying and poo poo, I disliked JBL as champ because he just looked like some schlubby guy. He needed a shirt more than Ric Flair did in TNA.
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