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AlternateNu posted:Naoto has the most heartbreaking scene in any modern Persona if you two-time her. I haven't cheated on any LI, but yeah, I watched that in an LP, and I'm glad the P5 event is funnier overall and yes there are now consequences.
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Alder posted:I haven't cheated on any LI, but yeah, I watched that in an LP, and I'm glad the P5 event is funnier overall and yes there are now consequences. I am anxious to see that event again in Royal. My current romance route is: Inappropriate Run- all the adults: Kawakami, Takemi, Chihaya and Ohya. I did my first Royal run with Makoto as best girl. I vaguely recall the scene from vanilla because I was advised to take the full harem route, so I did.
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Jan 16, 2023 23:13
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Makoto kind of drops off after the scene in Sojiro's house. I regret not giving Joker the billionaire wife.
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Jan 16, 2023 23:37
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She's gonna lose it all trying to get a local coffee place off the ground. Sojiro's gonna wreck her once she starts being actual competition.
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No Wave posted:Makoto kind of drops off after the scene in Sojiro's house. I regret not giving Joker the billionaire wife. True, Joker would be an ideal trophy husband.
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Makoto is a wannabe cop in a story that doesn't even portray cops 100% sympathetically. But she's also a dumbass teenage nerd who is still processing the trauma of her cop dad dying in the line of duty, so eh, whatever.
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Makoto should obviously become a teacher or something else involved with kids. Her arc isn't a conflict between good and bad cops, it's about realizing that the adults in her life have failed her, and wanting to break that cycle. She spends the entire game acting like a big sister, to her students, to Eiko, to the Phantom Thieves and Futaba in particular, and to what's-her-face in Strikers, clearly out of instinct more than having a good model of that behavior. I imagine she eventually grows out of the cop fantasy, doubly so if she ends up with Joker, who has a canonical anti-cop aura. E: and the resolution to her conflict with her sister isn't for Sae to become a good cop, but for Sae to start supporting her again! the text of the game is literally telling you what you should be doing, Makoto! Zulily Zoetrope fucked around with this message at 04:04 on Jan 17, 2023 |
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Makoto should obviously become a teacher or something else involved with kids. Her arc isn't a conflict between good and bad cops, it's about realizing that the adults in her life have failed her, and wanting to break that cycle. She spends the entire game acting like a big sister, to her students, to Eiko, to the Phantom Thieves and Futaba in particular, and to what's-her-face in Strikers, clearly out of instinct more than having a good model of that behavior. Especially after Strikers adds Zenkichi telling her in no uncertain words that becoming a cop is a tremendously bad idea.
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:I imagine she eventually grows out of the cop fantasy, doubly so if she ends up with Joker, who has a canonical anti-cop aura. On an old play through I intentionally delayed Makoto's rank 10 until after the story has caught up to the framing device, just to see if Makoto still proudly announces her dream of becoming a cop to the guy who she knows was beaten, tortured, and drugged by cops like just a couple weeks prior. She does. 
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If Makoto wants to fight crime she’s already got experience in full body suits, motorcycles and martial arts, she should just be Kamen Rider
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Plugging away at Strikers, I enjoyed the turn into survival horror for jail 4 and also how they let Ryuji say gently caress. It's interesting that the villain's plot at least in terms of how they propagandise it isn't much different from Maruki's one. Happiness through slavery instead of stagnation. Despite starting on easy and complaining about how hard it was to track everything I've gotten a good handle on the rhythm of combat now, I cranked it back up to normal after the first boss went down too quick to be satisfying. Also everyone keeps making GBS threads over Makoto's dream of becoming a cop and I love it. I even got to have Joker bring up how they brutalised him that time. I took Futaba on the ferris wheel and then immediately told her it was a family outing before she could get too excited. I like that it gave you that option. Also baseless supposition Zenkichi's wife was totally run over by a powerful politician who is actually running the conspiracy.
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It's not really a contradiction without Sai Nijima the (eventually) good prosecutor shido wouldnt have been investigated at the end of P5R. The police in P5 being evil makes Makoto's ambitions better not worse (she wants to be in charge not follow orders). I dont think Makoto's character coheres in a rewarding way in general though, "fist of justice" isnt something she'd say but you hear it over and over.
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DC Murderverse posted:If Makoto wants to fight crime she’s already got experience in full body suits, motorcycles and martial arts, she should just be Kamen Rider  I would support this confidant route as it's much more interesting than the official story IMHO
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No Wave posted:"fist of justice" isnt something she'd say but you hear it over and over. Having literally just played through this part in Strikers, I'm going to say incorrect  
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DC Murderverse posted:If Makoto wants to fight crime she’s already got experience in full body suits, motorcycles and martial arts, she should just be Kamen Rider Why is it the girls in Persona who should know to only trust their fists trust the police. 
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Jan 17, 2023 21:44
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Does Japan know ACAB? If not, someone tell them.
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I'm gonna say they know it to about the extent we do. The cops might not kill quite as many people as in the West, but Japanese cops have plenty of institutional problems all their own.
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For more, see: The entire Ace Attorney series, and most of the Yakuza games (especially the Judgement duology).
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Imagine my surprise getting that Makoto dialogue after picking Chie in 4 and also being mad about her choices
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mmkay posted:Having literally just played through this part in Strikers, I'm going to say incorrect Literally the one miss I can think of in Strikers is that after P5 dodged having the bath house/hotsprings scene that is in every anime and is always exactly the same and is never funny, Strikers decides to have add it and spoilers: it is exactly the same as it always is and once again it is not funny.
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But women beating up men is inherently comedic, especially when it's not the man's fault. Plus you get to see your teenage cast in towels! Truly there is nothing weird about onsen scenes.
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Sydin posted:Literally the one miss I can think of in Strikers is that after P5 dodged having the bath house/hotsprings scene that is in every anime and is always exactly the same and is never funny, Strikers decides to have add it and spoilers: it is exactly the same as it always is and once again it is not funny. I did like the bathhouse scene in Sapporo where after overhearing Futaba ramble on about Ann's boobs you can have Joker compliment Ryuji's abs. But yeah the bit in Kyoto sucked.
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Ah bathhouse scenes, the moments that Fast Forward was made for.
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Hey did you know Ann has boobs? Her shirt is sticking to them in the desert? And her dress got wet but lol, the fellas ain't looking!
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Bathhouse scene should exclusively include Joker, Yusuke, and Yusuke's lobsters imo.
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HootTheOwl posted:Hey did you know Ann has boobs? Her shirt is sticking to them in the desert? And her dress got wet but lol, the fellas ain't looking!
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No Wave posted:The desert scene was funny to me because Yusuke is staring at Makoto's back. guess he'd moved on... Good trapezius muscles are an art unto themselves.
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Strikers is good in general, but I'm sort of conflicted on their portrayal of cops: Haru opens up strong with her initial reaction to Zenkichi, and I love it. Zenkichi himself is obviously a more complex situation because he's clearly meant to be a good dude who is buckling under the system, who rediscovers himself after being exposed to the unflinching idealism of the Phantom Thieves. I don't think he's perfect, but I feel that the intended message is "anyone has the capacity to do good if they actually stick to their principles," which I can respect. But what on earth is Kaburagi's deal? She's clearly being set up as a villain, and then she starts off as giving off shades of Sae, trying to do her best in an inherently corrupt system and failing, but then her actual plan is to corruption her way to the top and then stop being corrupt when she's there. A plan that Zenkichi not only respects, but describes as the only reason he still has faith in the institution. A plan that is uncritically presented as sensible, even as we're shown, on-screen, that her bosses answer to whatever government officials, whose corruption is entirely outside her hierarchy. A plan that, solely on the back of the Phantom Thieves dismantling the current conspiracy, works out for her. I get why they'd put in a horrible bathhouse scene, even if I don't care for it, and I get that Zenkichi had to be a good cop, but I absolutely do not get what they were going for with Kaburagi.
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It's amazing how if you swapped out the video game names for real life people we'd have entire forums to excusing it. What I'm saying is what you've described basically is every politician ever
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I’m excited to play Person 3 today after thoroughly loving 4G and 5R. I’m a down rear end bitch for more of this stuff.
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yeah but persona 5 never tries to pretend that politicians are good people except Yoshida, who is an actual good person and spends his entire arc getting bowled over and accepting that he may never personally make a difference, but that's no reason to stop fighting for those who some day might
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As someone who likes to grind in dungeons forever I remember being frustrated by the stamina/sick mechanic when attempting to play FES like a decade ago, and being relieved when 4 and 5 didn’t have it. Does P3P keep it?
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roomtwofifteen posted:As someone who likes to grind in dungeons forever I remember being frustrated by the stamina/sick mechanic when attempting to play FES like a decade ago, and being relieved when 4 and 5 didn’t have it. Does P3P keep it? It's nearly a non factor
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roomtwofifteen posted:As someone who likes to grind in dungeons forever I remember being frustrated by the stamina/sick mechanic when attempting to play FES like a decade ago, and being relieved when 4 and 5 didn’t have it. Does P3P keep it? It doesn't happen in the middle of the dungeon anymore and only happens once you leave. So just do the entire thing in one night and it is a non issue.
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cheesetriangles posted:It doesn't happen in the middle of the dungeon anymore and only happens once you leave. So just do the entire thing in one night and it is a non issue. That's sort of disappointing honestly, that's one of the mechanics I actually think was really cool in P3 FES for a life sim Weird Pumpkin fucked around with this message at 19:04 on Jan 18, 2023 |
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It kind of exacerbates one of the core problems with P3 in that there just isn't enough stuff to do, especially at night, but I never liked getting kicked out of Tartarus so eh
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Strikers is good in general, but I'm sort of conflicted on their portrayal of cops: Haru opens up strong with her initial reaction to Zenkichi, and I love it. Zenkichi himself is obviously a more complex situation because he's clearly meant to be a good dude who is buckling under the system, who rediscovers himself after being exposed to the unflinching idealism of the Phantom Thieves. I don't think he's perfect, but I feel that the intended message is "anyone has the capacity to do good if they actually stick to their principles," which I can respect. I mean Kaburagi is basically just doing the Kamala Harris speedrun of being a normal, piece of poo poo cop in order to move up through the system until she's made it, then pivot and hope people just forget when you arrested single mothers on truancy charges because they couldn't afford to pay for their kid's school bus fee or whatever. In terms of her relationship to Zenkichi, I think the idea is that Zenkichi entered the system as an idealist to the point where even after he was tacitly told to knock it off investigating Owada he persisted, until his daughter was directly threatened. That incident shattered his faith and resolve in the justice of the police, and he would have just burned out and quit had it not been for Kaburagi offering him a third option: to work inside the system until you become powerful enough to change it, even if it means dirtying your hands and playing the corrupt game. And this is very much Zenkichi's mindset at the start of the game, where he absolutely plans to use the thieves for his purposes and then sell them up the river. But as you said after being exposed to their idealism and everything that happens with them and Akane, he flips back to his old idealism. Where the game misses a trick I think is that there should have been a moment where Zenkichi confronts Kaburagi and tells her flat out that her method is wrong. She is essentially the devil on Zenkichi's shoulder to the Thieves' angel: compelling him to take the easier and safer route of giving into a corrupt system while convincing yourself it'll all pay off one day when you make it to the top. Anyway tl;dr it's like we've talked about in this thread before: Persona really struggles to flatout say ACAB. P5 and P5S dance pretty close to the edge, but neither really have the courage to fully take the plunge.
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