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Doesn't Jaden Smith's character go full communism now by the end of Neo Yokio. Mark me down as also someone who was bewildered by it until I loved it.
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I feel like Neo Yokio suffers from the thing where American audiences are unfamiliar with the concept of "slice-of-life" and get bewildered and angry when confronted with a piece of media that doesn't really have a plot.
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Jan 17, 2023 23:27
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Neo yokio is a great show and I think it's pretty obvious what its deal is basically immediately. Honestly kind of flabbergasted that someone would watch it and not pick up on its deal within 1 episode, but I guess maybe the context is different if you just put it on randomly with no expectations? Also like Americans have been watching king of the hill and the Simpsons for ages so I don't think a lack of understanding of the idea that there's no overarching plot is the issue. Most shows work like this.
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Jan 17, 2023 23:33
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Neo Yokio operates on a similar level of ironic detachment as Clone High, imo I do not know if that's what Jaden Smith intended going into the project, but it is definitely what Ezra Koenig intended actually writing it
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Jan 17, 2023 23:47
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Has the show actually claimed to be a satire or is this all interpretation at this point?
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Flopsy posted:Has the show actually claimed to be a satire or is this all interpretation at this point? I do believe that several secondary cast members go out of their way to point out the actual intended themes of the show and that the main character is a vapid shallow rear end in a top hat who no one should be agreeing with or emulating. At least one of the videos posted in this very thread contains a secondary cast member doing just that. It's really not subtle about what it's doing. Idk maybe Xavier renegade angel is supposed to be a serious drama about how genius an idea using aids to combat a computer virus is.
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Jan 18, 2023 00:00
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Electric Phantasm posted:Not gonna lie I was won over by this other clip This is absolutely hilarious
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Jan 18, 2023 01:02
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Neo Yokio is shockingly good, it really feels like a send up of so many different varieties of those shounen goofball hijinks animes in the late 90s and early 00s.
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Flopsy posted:Has the show actually claimed to be a satire or is this all interpretation at this point? It's impossible to interpret the show as anything else by the end of it. I have no difficulty understanding why someone might not like the show, but I have a great deal of difficulty understanding how anyone could watch ten minutes of it and think its admiration of extreme wealth is sincere, let alone watch the whole thing and still think that. By the time an automated CEO of a massive department store fires a guy on Christmas, who tearfully acknowledges that his need to live shouldn't come before the company's profits, if you still think what's happening is straightforwardly sincere and the show genuinely considers the firing of this dude a good thing then I dunno what to tell you. To quote the main character as he drives through Long Island Walled City, a massive slum the rich never enter except for when they need to extend the track for their ostentatious F1 race (endangering the lives of everyone who lives there): "I'm starting to think Neo Yokio's not the greatest city in the world." Edit: also, I mean, there's the fact that the overarching plot is about a terrorist trying to bring down Neo Yokio, and the protagonists trying to smuggle her to safety. sethsez fucked around with this message at 02:20 on Jan 18, 2023 |
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Flopsy posted:Has the show actually claimed to be a satire or is this all interpretation at this point? I am by no means literate in the tropes and norms of anime, but after about 15 seconds of an earlier clip posted here I knew I was watching a deliberate farce. I mean, how can you see a huge toblerone offered as a gift, and then withdrawn as a gift and not realize a joke is being told? Hell, how can you look at this still frame Electric Phantasm posted:Not gonna lie I was won over by this other clip And not realize that this isn't meant to be taken seriously?
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Jan 18, 2023 02:17
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Rand Brittain posted:I feel like Neo Yokio suffers from the thing where American audiences are unfamiliar with the concept of "slice-of-life" and get bewildered and angry when confronted with a piece of media that doesn't really have a plot. SoLs are basically a type of Sitcom
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Flopsy posted:Takes skill to be so loving hateful you manage to piss everybody and everything off. I just watched a video review for Velma btw and Jesus loving Christ. Velma is in fact racist as poo poo and every other line is chunkily explaining things to the audience like we're braindead meat with eyes who can't grasp these higher truths she's spinning for us. Also i don't know if this has been discussed but there's something about the art style that makes all the characters look kinda of sharp and unhinged. Like they're one step away from violence which I guess most of them are? true but everyonce and while, its nice that something that comes out thats either universally hated/disliked by almost everyone across spectrums. ninjewtsu posted:Neo yokio is a great show and I think it's pretty obvious what its deal is basically immediately. Honestly kind of flabbergasted that someone would watch it and not pick up on its deal within 1 episode, but I guess maybe the context is different if you just put it on randomly with no expectations? yeah. watching the clips posted on here showed its very clearly supposed to be a weird surreal comedy show that adult swim would pick up but netflix botched it like always.
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YggiDee posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtnQ5cIHGHE I had no idea this way happening. Neato.
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There definitely is a difference between the two but it's not the sort of thing that has a hard definition, though most Western animated shows that I'd consider Slice of Life are ones made for family and kid audiences(most of which were made in the 90's and early Aughts piggybacking off the formula Doug established) rather than Adult ones, indeed King of The Hill is the only Adult Animated Sitcom that I can think of that I'd also consider to be a proper Slice of Life series, ultimately I think it's a matter of pacing, most Adult Animated Sitcoms just go too fast paced to really fit as Slice of Life
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ninjewtsu posted:Neo yokio is a great show and I think it's pretty obvious what its deal is basically immediately. Honestly kind of flabbergasted that someone would watch it and not pick up on its deal within 1 episode, but I guess maybe the context is different if you just put it on randomly with no expectations? I think the only reason someone might have taken it straight was because of Jaden Smith's involvement. At the time he was (well, still is, I guess) in the process of being really weird on Twitter. case in point, https://twitter.com/jaden/status/1613041785571520513 (In case you're going to check I'll save you the trouble, there is no context for that.) So I think people saw him doing Neo Yokio and thought rather than a parody, they were watching the fever dream of a billionaire's kid that somehow got a Netflix deal.
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I think there were a lot of bad takes at the time tbh, and a lot of angry people. I've definitely had arguments on here about Neo Yokio. It's one of those shows -- like Heathers and Chad -- that just send parts of the internet into a meltdown. They're not even necessarily the same parts of the Internet. Satire and farce really tend to provoke outsized reactions in audiences, which I get, but that reaction can often end up drowning out what the show is actually doing.
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TwoPair posted:I think the only reason someone might have taken it straight was because of Jaden Smith's involvement. At the time he was (well, still is, I guess) in the process of being really weird on Twitter. This was my initial impression as well but I'm willing to accept that as bad advertising. Bear in mind I have aspergers syndrome and if something is a little too tongue in cheek I'm just left baffled about what the intent is. Straight up I'm sure the Toblerone scene was obvious but I really couldn't tell if it was just sincere and bizarre or actually meant to be funny. I've seen some weird anime poo poo and sometimes I don't know what I'm supposed to take away from it. Flopsy fucked around with this message at 04:05 on Jan 18, 2023 |
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I don't want to start a fight or anything, but I think a lot of people have yet to unlearn orientalism enough to just take anime on faith as being what it seems like. Generally speaking, if you're laughing at something in an anime, the target audience over in Japan is too, and for the same reasons.
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DoctorWhat posted:I don't want to start a fight or anything, but I think a lot of people have yet to unlearn orientalism enough to just take anime on faith as being what it seems like. Generally speaking, if you're laughing at something in an anime, the target audience over in Japan is too, and for the same reasons. I was actually banking it on it being a terrible western take on anime that was going for some surreal reference that was going completely over my head. Sometimes a giant Toblerone is just a giant Toblerone though.
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Oh I'm not talking about Neo Yokio in specific, I mean more like "does Hideo Kojima not understand that his own games are funny" and stuff like that.
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Flopsy posted:This was my initial impression as well but I'm willing to accept that as bad advertising. Bear in mind I have aspergers syndrome and if something is a little too tongue in cheek I'm just left baffled about what the intent is. Straight up I'm sure the Toblerone scene was obvious but I really couldn't tell if it was just sincere and bizarre or actually meant to be funny. I've seen some weird anime poo poo and sometimes I don't know what I'm supposed to take away from it. If you're only aware of the advertising then I could see it. But the plot of Neo Yokio is a fairly typical "comfortable person has the sudden revelation that their world actually sucks and violently fights back" Young Adult Dystopia arc, with the fairly mild twist being that we're following that person's friend rather than following the revolutionary directly. Neo Yokio being a gaudy half-sunk kaleidoscope of Breguet and Dior and Louboutin is telegraphed in the show itself as a dystopia pretty heavily from the beginning.
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TwoPair posted:I think the only reason someone might have taken it straight was because of Jaden Smith's involvement. At the time he was (well, still is, I guess) in the process of being really weird on Twitter. I kinda wrote it off as a nepotism show and never watched it yeah. DoctorWhat posted:Oh I'm not talking about Neo Yokio in specific, I mean more like "does Hideo Kojima not understand that his own games are funny" and stuff like that. See also all the people convinced Stranger of Paradise isn't meant to be a farce.
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I know we're got a few industry people in this thread, plus other people who have an ear to the ground, so I figured I'd ask here: what's the last anyone's heard about Fired On Mars, Birdgirl or Scavenger's Reign?
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One of my favorite aspects of Neo Yokio is how the "antagonist" - who is the Most Eligible Bachelor of Neo Yokio - is blatantly flirting with the protagonist all the time, but he is too dumb to realize it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mp841DIrtAQ
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Rand Brittain posted:I feel like Neo Yokio suffers from the thing where American audiences are unfamiliar with the concept of "slice-of-life" and get bewildered and angry when confronted with a piece of media that doesn't really have a plot. Isn’t Seinfeld famously a “show about nothing”?
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Boris Galerkin posted:Isn’t Seinfeld famously a “show about nothing”? I thought this was a critics' phrase that somehow stuck, but then I finally watched it and no, the show itself says this, diegetically, over and over and over
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Data Graham posted:I thought this was a critics' phrase that somehow stuck, but then I finally watched it and no, the show itself says this, diegetically, over and over and over It's even a plot point in later season when Jerry is trying to pitch a comedy show.
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pentyne posted:It's even a plot point in later season when Jerry is trying to pitch a comedy show. Jerry and George try to pitch Seinfeld to NBC, essentially.
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It's a show about nothing in that it's about the daily minutiae and weird poo poo where a comedian gets the material for their routines.
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Neo Yokio is good, but really have to be in the right mood for it. Also not very bingeable, imo, which I guess is important to streaming services.Cemetry Gator posted:The reason why these shows look bad is that a lot of these shows are incredibly lazy. To paraphrase Tolstoy: Terrible animation are all alike, good animation is good in its own way. This really sums up the tsunami of lovely adult animation we've had in the last several years. I don't know whether to blame MacFarlane for popularizing it or Rick and Morty for concentrating and reinvigorating it.
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I also feel like the romanticization of anti-social douche bags has made the IRL ones feel justified in being louder and more belligerent about their own shittiness. Or maybe that's just the advent of social media bleeding into everyday life while being buttressed by the media. It's probably a combination of factors I'm too tired to look up right now.
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The Moon Monster posted:Neo Yokio is good, but really have to be in the right mood for it. Also not very bingeable, imo, which I guess is important to streaming services. id blame family guy because rick and morty at least tried to evolve at times and tried to sorta walk back on some of its poo poo until well recently. family guy is basicaly just mean spirited sketches that have like 10 of the same jokes. it can be funny at times but its mostly just ehh.
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Animation is art, and art is an expression of culture. Blaming Seth MacFarlane or Justin Roiland or Dan Harmon for the success of their pop art entertainment product is dumb, because if it didn't reflect the values and ideas in a culture it will rapidly be selected against. We get the popular entertainment we deserve as a whole people, not by the "great works" of some random kinda funny mentally ill dude.
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I Am Fowl posted:It's a show about nothing in that it's about the daily minutiae and weird poo poo where a comedian gets the material for their routines. I like how many things on the show were just real things that happened to everyone, mostly Larry David. One of my favorite things about the show is that Jason Alexander early in the show, exasperated I guess at how ridiculous his scenarios were, went up to Larry David and was like "This would never happen and if it did, no one would react like that" and Larry goes "What do you mean? This is exactly what happened and this is exactly what I did".
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Macaluso posted:I like how many things on the show were just real things that happened to everyone, mostly Larry David. Curb Your Enthusiasm was genuinely glorious if only for the fact it did the unlikable protagonist trope right. Larry's biggest issue in the show was he literally couldn't let petty poo poo go and honestly that's how a lot of real problems start.
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I finally watched Inside Job Real bummer it got shitcanned, right after it seemed to have found its footing
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mycomancy posted:Animation is art, and art is an expression of culture. Blaming Seth MacFarlane or Justin Roiland or Dan Harmon for the success of their pop art entertainment product is dumb, because if it didn't reflect the values and ideas in a culture it will rapidly be selected against. And yet you participate in society, curious.
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Honestly early Family Guy(the pre-cancellation seasons and maybe the first season or two after it got revived) had plenty of heart to it, very much "Hanna-Barbera animated sitcom but with much less restrictions on content" to it
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