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BobTheJanitor posted:Wonder what the odds are that we'll ever see Jack and Jenny again. Maybe they just showed up to be out-of-character plot puppets for a minute and that's their final curtain. Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. For some reason yelling at Annie for something that's not her fault is a common swan song in this comic. I guess maybe the knowledge that they wont be showing up again means Tom is free to have them just chew Annie out for some cheap drama or something.
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Didn't someone quote one of Tom's retrospectives and say that Red's role in the story was done and that was how she made her exit? Awesome, love to burn one of the more interesting throwaway characters + a character who had a major part in several chapters for a completely incoherent row at the main character  Also, leafing through the comments and a TON of people are confused about the Jerrek+Lana cutaway, asking if it means Annie knows Jerrek is Loup. Some people still clinging to the idea that it's one of Zimmy's illusions or otherwise affecting them via paranoia. Tiny Myers fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Jan 19, 2023 |
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Jan 19, 2023 20:58
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earlier this chapter is this page. it seems pretty fuckin clear that Annie doesn't want to kill Loup but thinks she'll have to, whether she likes it or not. this is completely loving incongruous with her dialogue in yesterday's page.
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I cannot wait for every other character to be character assassinated to make annie look less bad and bland. She refused and had a whole arc just to regress again.
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DontMockMySmock posted:earlier this chapter is this page. it seems pretty fuckin clear that Annie doesn't want to kill Loup but thinks she'll have to, whether she likes it or not. this is completely loving incongruous with her dialogue in yesterday's page. Mostly unrelated to your post, but one thing I do like from this chapter is that in this page, the knife is giggling. It's a nice little touch, I wonder if it did anything like that previously?
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CodfishCartographer posted:Mostly unrelated to your post, but one thing I do like from this chapter is that in this page, the knife is giggling. It's a nice little touch, I wonder if it did anything like that previously? Yeah! I think it first did it in the chapter where Robot gets severed from the ground. https://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=963
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CodfishCartographer posted:Mostly unrelated to your post, but one thing I do like from this chapter is that in this page, the knife is giggling. It's a nice little touch, I wonder if it did anything like that previously? Can confirm it's always giggled!
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Youremother posted:I caught up with this strip relatively recently and didn't think it was that bad. I left off right around chapter 43 and didn't think a lot of the stuff after that was that bad. I didn't even think The Mind Cage was that bad. I saw the thread was ripping the comic apart and wanted to think it was regular goon cynicism. It seems like a lot of us who were holding out through the Mind Cage were broken by the star ocean reveal.
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Coyote Tooth sword's design is so loving sick
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Riot Bus posted:It seems like a lot of us who were holding out through the Mind Cage were broken by the star ocean reveal. Creators should never listen to fans. I think Tom took a big swing with Tony and balked when people didn't like him, even though that is what made him work. He was an interesting anti-villain and I would have liked to see Annie struggling to deal with their relationship more. The comment section is just gone, btw. On the entire comic. It was an early web 2.0 artifact anyway, but the timing is a little depressing.
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it’s only been present on the latest page for as long as I can remember. that still seems to be the case
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yeah i'm still seeing it
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My phone might just be eating it.
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Tiny Myers posted:Yeah! I think it first did it in the chapter where Robot gets severed from the ground. That's only a few off from the best page!
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is this page trying to reinforce that jenny is just another faceless court cop
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Not sure if you're joking, but I think it's just Tom wanting to draw ladies in fancy clothes again, with accessories. Honestly I'm a bit relieved it's not a Loup/Lana ending page lol.
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I'm completely serious. With Jenny's involvement here and during the cruise, I am at least a little curious if she is intended to play the role of a typical complicit Court student with odd powers who goes along with using them to advance the Omega plan. I do not think it is easy to just overlook the complete 180 that Jack & Jenny pulled here with "yeah let's summon them here near the Star Ocean!" then immediately attacking Annie with some very aggressive gaslighting. The author either has memory loss or the point is that Jenny is a cop/bastard. Edit: maybe there is no point and this hallucinatory character development was just an accident emerging from bad writing Potato Salad fucked around with this message at 14:58 on Jan 20, 2023 |
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Jan 20, 2023 14:45
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Jenny just knowingly murdered an orphan.
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Nah I've got one better for you: Jenny just murdered an orphan for what is essentially oil.
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Jenny dramatically tears off her face, revealing Aata behind it. "It was me all along, Jack! Make of that what you will."
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Potato Salad posted:
For sure there was no point to it. Other than to make Annie feel bad for being a bystander while Jenny/Jack get Zimmy killed (or maybe captured so that Kat can kill her later, whatever). All of this because Annie wanted to warn her about a danger that Zimmy and everyone else apparently already knew about. Like it's all utterly pointless. This comic hasn't done anything to earn the benefit of the doubt in a long time so just assume the worst and you won't be as disappointed.
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Lt. Lizard posted:Jenny dramatically tears off her face, revealing Aata behind it. "It was me all along, Jack! Make of that what you will." You all bought it, hook line and sinker, even my immediate family, my work wife Shell bought it.
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In the next chapter, Loup is meeting his girlfriend’s parents and he has to prepare a dinner to impress them. Hijinks when it turns out her father is none other than Robox!
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Riot Bus posted:It seems like a lot of us who were holding out through the Mind Cage were broken by the star ocean reveal. I actually liked the Mind Cage, I was thinking "yeah, pretty classic case of alexithymia bud, you should get that checked out", but the star ocean poo poo is just nonsense. Totally incoherent and out of nowhere. Loup being the new protagonist of the comic is whatever but Tom has lost the thread of his own storyline
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Potato Salad posted:Edit: maybe there is no point and this hallucinatory character development was just an accident emerging from bad writing bss > gunnerrkrigg court: maybe there is no point
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Holding out hope that everything from this page onwards will turn out to be one giant bad dream Zimmy hallucination. 
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BobTheJanitor posted:Holding out hope that everything from this page onwards will turn out to be one giant bad dream Zimmy hallucination.
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BobTheJanitor posted:Holding out hope that everything from this page onwards will turn out to be one giant bad dream Zimmy hallucination. Oh good, that means these guys get to live on and Reynardine will have wacky roommate hijinx at some point.
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BobTheJanitor posted:Holding out hope that everything from this page onwards will turn out to be one giant bad dream Zimmy hallucination. Yeah, as much as there's been plenty of stuff I really enjoyed that took place after Tony's arrival in the plot, Gunnerkrigg's highest point for me was probably The Shattered Sea. Tony's intro was just unbearable to read through when it was playing out in real time. As it is, I find myself looking back fondly to the Tony era, because though it was frustrating at least it had some interesting high points and seemed like it could be going somewhere cool.
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Riot Bus posted:As it is, I find myself looking back fondly to the Tony era, because though it was frustrating at least it had some interesting high points and seemed like it could be going somewhere cool. The Tony stuff had the benefit of a throughline. Of course, that common thread was awful, and where it lead was even worse. Annie's breezy acceptance of her father's abuse remains the nadir of the comic, at least for me. It was just the most miserable conclusion to a character arc imaginable. It was, however, an arc. I suppose. The comic now is simply a shambles. Nothing is consistent. Personally, I'm enjoying that more because it's lowered the stakes. The worst has already happened. The wheels have come off and the carriage is tumbling down the ravine. All that's left to do is enjoy the show while it careens toward rock bottom.
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I'm not concerned. Kat's new best friend Tony will fix it.
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Kat is now engaged with Loup And is pregnant Go full soap opera
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Even more baffling why Annie was so concerned about Loup at the end of the last chapter instead of Kat, lol
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Riot Bus posted:Yeah, as much as there's been plenty of stuff I really enjoyed that took place after Tony's arrival in the plot, Gunnerkrigg's highest point for me was probably The Shattered Sea. Tony's intro was just unbearable to read through when it was playing out in real time. In retrospect it's like... OK, see this page: https://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1561 Did Tom change his mind about the Tony arc or were we all reading this wrong and human Annie was always supposed to be read as totally right actually? Because at some point it pivoted hard to "OK but he does have his reasons tho" Splicer fucked around with this message at 17:18 on Jan 23, 2023 |
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Splicer posted:I thought the pre-merge Tony parts were good. Yeah I hated him as a person but I really enjoyed him as a character and villain, then as a tragic character (whose actions were still reprehensible). At the time the writing read as an excellent if literal-metaphorical portrayal of a breakdown brought on etc etc. Yeah, at the time it read to me as Annie committing emotional self-harm because she kept contorting her mind in knots trying to believe that Tony's cruelty had a point. He had to have a point. And then it turned out that he did! He had his flaws, and he did love her but couldn't express it appropriately, so Annie packed away all the hurt and abandonment forever and we never saw any of it addressed or healed again. Yay. edit: sorry I just repeated what you said, I had initially written paragraphs here before editing them away. I keep reading Annie has having once again repressed her trauma and like it will spill over at some point years in the future until she resolves it for real, but I suspect that's not what we are supposed to think. isasphere fucked around with this message at 18:46 on Jan 23, 2023 |
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I predict this chapter is going to start out zany and wacky, but then have a jarring tone shift as it nears the end. Or it will be like the Renard rescue fakeout chapter.
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It will be Kat walking through a city then going "oh, I think I should have gone left a few blocks back. I've gone too far!"
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Splicer posted:I thought the pre-merge Tony parts were good. Yeah I hated him as a person but I really enjoyed him as a character and villain, then as a tragic character (whose actions were still reprehensible). At the time the writing read as an excellent if literal-metaphorical portrayal of a breakdown brought on etc etc. I don't believe we're meant to take human Annie as the correct one in that conversation.
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