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I did say that I didn't think it was likely because Dan doesn't seem interested in doing so to any InfoWars people in my first post on the subject; only that they're the one person in that sphere I'd like to see on the show. I wasn't aware he'd spoken about it before, but just listening to a bit of the podcast does give that impression regardless.
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I also think that if we're being honest the truth isn't that interesting. The answer for his path was that he was probably a fairly conservative guy who didn't like the government/Obama/Democrats/Clintons and he was fine with things until Alex went full mask off. Lots of people push awful policies and ideas and get cold feet when confronted with the actual reality of it on an individual level. Or he was just a mercenary guy who realized how bad things had gotten. It's a little interesting to actually see somebody "wake up" but I can't imagine that there's all that much left to poke at.
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Grand Fromage posted:I think he mentioned once that Alex's ex-wife reached out and offered to be on the show and they said no, not interested in anyone InfoWars connected on. That lady sucks. she was very involved in Infowars for a lot of years. she's only right in hating Alex now.
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To be entirely fair to Kelly Jones, she would have had to learn about hating Alex Jones in the hardest way possible. I can't imagine what she's been through, and that's worth mention. But even if we were to be sympathetic towards that, her present-day behavior suggests she still is very much the person that existed back when she was the producer on the show. During the first Texas trial, she was very active on the KF reddit, but it mostly consisted of: 1) self-promational spam, and 2) equating the board's moderation with Dan and Jordan themselves, threatening to sue them for defamation when told to stop spamming. Morroque fucked around with this message at 09:42 on Jan 21, 2023 |
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Parakeet vs. Phone posted:I also think that if we're being honest the truth isn't that interesting. The answer for his path was that he was probably a fairly conservative guy who didn't like the government/Obama/Democrats/Clintons and he was fine with things until Alex went full mask off. Lots of people push awful policies and ideas and get cold feet when confronted with the actual reality of it on an individual level. I get the instinct to want to dig into people in Alex's orbit, but I think their answers to probing questions would mostly be boring.
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I just don't give a lot of credit to people who only get mad about poo poo as heinous as everything Infowars has done when it finally swings around to hurting them. Dude just seems to have an axe to grind now that he was fired. Which, yeah, justified within its own scope so go ahead and be mad about that. Don't expect sympathy from me for it though. The decade plus of this poo poo happening to other people wasn't a problem, him getting harassed and fired seems to have made all the difference.
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The deposition made it sound like he was getting harrassed long before he was fired; possibly even before Sandy Hook happened. He was just willing to put up with it all along for some reason if that is the case.
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I've read the transcript of Jacobson's CT deposition, and it went into some of the abuse that supposedly happened in the later era of Jacobson's time there. It was bad. If he has an axe to grind, then it was an axe well-deserved. In the CT deposition, Jacobson painted it as if his relationship with Alex began to deteriorate precipitously as a result of Sandy Hook. It would cover the bases for why he didn't see much "wrong" with his earlier documentary work, because it was around that time when his working relationship with Alex began its decline. Jacobson there didn't make any bones about actually caring about the content of the documentaries or news broadcasts. His job was to be a media specialist on the payroll. This largely tracks with the behind-the-scenes work in other environments at "properly run" media rigs; people doing camerawork or microphone setup need to pay attention to other things besides the content itself in order to keep the broadcast quality on the up on a technical level. Jacobson was in that vein of not caring about the content of InfoWars because content is the producer's job, and he was not a producer. Jacobson reported to Mattei that Sandy Hook was the one time he said anything about anything to Alex about the content of IW, and Alex being Alex, it got warped into the worst possible thing from there on out. It wasn't Jacobson's job to have an opinion on anything, and the one time he violated that made him expendable from then on out. (Even when said opinion amounted to nothing more than "y'know, I got a bad feeling about this one.") ... it is, of course, a very convenient version of events that exists only in the CT deposition and not the TX deposition. The CT depo mentions nothing about any PBS documentary, and the only point of commonality between the two was the bit about him going into the writer's room to get laughed at. Only that bit between the two deposition was the same, suggesting something like that happened, but probably not about Sandy Hook specifically. And as for "why didn't he leave," the answer to that question has less to do with politics and more to do with something much more benign. Apparently Rob Dew was a pre-decriminalization cannabis peddler, and he was supplying Jacobson plus many other IW personnel with the stuff daily. Jacobson probably spent the majority of the time at InfoWars blazed out of his mind.
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Morroque posted:Apparently Rob Dew was a pre-decriminalization cannabis peddler. That explains Dews Kangol hat I suppose
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Holy poo poo I didn't realize they straight up interviewed Larry Nichols on the show. Very glad I went through the back catalogue.
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Firstscion posted:It's how we know the difference between hard rice and soft rice. Literally no part of that metaphor works for me. Like I get it, I just disagree.
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rotinaj posted:I am not quite sure why Enoch has not been removed from the depo by this point, this was dire My understanding is that getting the judge involved is a last resort and somewhat implies you failed to control your own depo. Plus you can let them keep hanging themselves with bad behavior that sets themselves up for more sanctions later.
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Ah Rob Dew. Will you ever not be useless?FFT posted:No Monday episode this coming week: For the best I think. Because Alex is just spinning his wheels in terms of his shows, Dan and Jorden don't have much to talk about unless something like Steven Crowder happened. The past episodes don't really do much for me honestly.
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FFT posted:No Monday episode this coming week: I will be sad if we don't get a 15 minute unhinged rant on Uncle Howdy. The match is going to be so bad
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Digital Jedi posted:Uncle Howdy for everyone Fwiw that's how you do it correctly to pyrotechnics and don't actually murder your scene partner.
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I'm still very confused as to why people are confused by this. I mean the pyro trigger is off so it looks doofy, but if you're in the stands it's probably pretty normal looking? Are people (especially streaming viewers) actually expecting wrestling to be real/to see live murders? Most actual wrestling fans that I've heard of understand kayfabe and the staging.
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Fentry posted:Different angle that is much funnier imo: I'm gonna echo the guy off-camera: WHAT THE gently caress!?!? What's the actual context here? Was Uncle Howdy involved up to that point? Or was it just a sudden appearance that the huge guy just...didn't care about? Is Uncle Howdy just kind of a joke to say the guy didn't care? Did Uncle Howdy mean to hit the huge dude or LA Knight when he jumped and gently caress it up (accidentally on purpose, presumably)?
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Xiahou Dun posted:I'm more interesting in how that one dude chokes someone from a while before apparently getting bored and just kind of letting go. You have never watched American pro wrestling. That's ok. It's an extended, variously scripted improv scene. It has to be drawn out for a certain timeline, part of which might mean you're in a scene where you're under or over an early submission that sets up a heroic comeback or an overwhelming victory story, or, more rarely, something in the middle. You can't just grapple and jab for an hour like in mma or boxing; there have to be scenes. Devor posted:It was a practical effect made to look like the guy up top slammed his victim down through the surface of the ring for the viewers at home yeah it's really a failure of production. Wrestling stunts and props that were designed to stop people taking plywood nails and real chairs to the face can't seem to keep up with modern high def. Seems like you would just take that shot from far and low so the mat wouldn't be central and visible and goofy. ILL Machina fucked around with this message at 05:27 on Jan 29, 2023 |
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It's definitely on the cameramen and setup, usually it's done something like this to obscure the landing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hs8Jn9C3qM4&t=89s I just find it way funnier than I should that the guy he's supposed to hit ends up just rolling into the hole on top of Uncle Howdy Fentry fucked around with this message at 08:30 on Jan 29, 2023 |
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I really don't understand wrestling at all and am baffled by people who are super into it. Mostly I'm just jealous they get to love something so purely. I wish I could turn off that part of my brain that says " this is the dumbest poo poo imaginable " and just enjoy wrestling but I can't. I wish I was half as passionate about anything as wrestling fans are about wrestling. Bless them, I'm glad that they get to love something so much. I've never met a person who said " yeah I'm kind of into wrestling ". They either love it or don't follow it a single bit.
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I'm kind of into wrestling! I'm definitely much closer to not following it a single bit but I do love hearing about current storylines and characters and the stupid poo poo they're up to. I don't like the wrestling part enough to actually watch the shows though.
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Tree Dude posted:I'm kind of into wrestling! I'm definitely much closer to not following it a single bit but I do love hearing about current storylines and characters and the stupid poo poo they're up to. I don't like the wrestling part enough to actually watch the shows though. Same, I was a way more hardcore fan when I was younger when the magic of Kayfabe still held some power. Now I'm more aware of the inner working of the business and my appreciation and enjoyment comes from storylines and good matches. If they can make me forget I'm watching a scripted event for a couple moments and make me get lost in the story unfolding between two dudes beating each other up then I'm happy. Also the goofy poo poo can be super fun. Where else but wrestling are you going to get some goofy poo poo like the Undertaker or Bray Wyatt being Spooky magic men who decide the best way to solve their problems is in a ring?
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