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Bellmaker posted:Reset the clock I was so ready to correct you for posting yesterday’s news by accident and it’s actually another one. What the gently caress at this country. 
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Republicans will abandon DeSantis and come home to Trump the moment they see them on stage, I'm certain. This always happens, the base grumbles and acts rebellious and drifts away but always, ALWAYS comes back to get in line, especially because the party makes active efforts to appease them. Trump himself is contrary to that, tbh. They desperately tried to get the base to get back in line but frankly the base wanted trump and yeah MAYBE they could've gotten the base to fall in line if they had managed to stick to one not-trump but factually they didn't and "the base always falls in line" clearly isn't true anymore.
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Jan 24, 2023 05:29
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Yeah, what is "the line" for Republicans at this point?
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Jan 24, 2023 05:36
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Neo_Crimson posted:He also had that weird carnie charm that activated the real crazies that usually stayed home. DeSantis, by virtue of having been in office at all, is already too establishment for them. Really the only reason DeSantis is closing in on the polls is post-midterms salt. He hasn't even announced he was running, and I don't think he's going to. Flynn's sock puppet armies account for much of this. If he is not locked up, and Eric prince instructs him to, he can throw Q's weight behind desantis (or whoever). Same goes for the fsb, national enquirer, right wing radio, Sinclair, fox news, rt, Breitbart, Cambridge analytica, Joe Rogan, Jordan Peterson and the rest of the collection of fascist machines that all worked together (joined this time around by twitter) to back a singular candidate (which is how Trump got elected, and what it would take to elect desantis). Thing is, people are a lot more savvy to this stuff now, more agencies and governments are playing in those muddy waters, and also I don't know if desantis would have Bannon and Stone on his team. E - the dox Cambridge analytica stole from FB are going stale fast, but if musk is using root access to give hand-picked "journalists" scoops based on back end comms, he will hand the keys over to Cambridge analytica and never tell anyone. Uglycat fucked around with this message at 06:36 on Jan 24, 2023 |
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Jan 24, 2023 06:33
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Jaxyon posted:pre-emptive "not a leftist, just a filthy lib Celebritydom and leftism are not particularly compatible with eachother, regardless of how much the right wingers scream that all of Hollywood are hardcore communists.
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Bellmaker posted:Reset the clock Also an Asian man from the local community. Copycat? Coordination? Or radicalization into Q-crazytown via non-English-language social media?
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Fister Roboto posted:Celebritydom and leftism are not particularly compatible with eachother, regardless of how much the right wingers scream that all of Hollywood are hardcore communists. Hollywood literally had blacklists in living memory and all.
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Youth Decay posted:Also an Asian man from the local community. Copycat? Coordination? Or radicalization into Q-crazytown via non-English-language social media? Some rough business to assume that Asian individuals would necessarily be reading non-English social media
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Jan 24, 2023 11:18
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Charliegrs posted:So you're basically saying that Obama was the Trump of the left which LOL yeah that's not even close. I WISH we had our version of a Trump. That would require for leftism in the United States to have an ounce of ruthlessness, media savvy and efficiency, something they clearly lack at least at the level of the political representation and in my experiences at majority level of the base. It's basically the same pathetic and pointless search for the mythical moderate Republican that the liberal class engages in, except trying to appeal to the poor instead of the suburbanites.
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Uglycat posted:Flynn's sock puppet armies account for much of this. If he is not locked up, and Eric prince instructs him to, he can throw Q's weight behind desantis (or whoever). Same goes for the fsb, national enquirer, right wing radio, Sinclair, fox news, rt, Breitbart, Cambridge analytica, Joe Rogan, Jordan Peterson and the rest of the collection of fascist machines that all worked together (joined this time around by twitter) to back a singular candidate (which is how Trump got elected, and what it would take to elect desantis). I think alot more f people just don’t like what those freaks are selling anymore. Like they are 3 time losers backing weird trad freaks who scream hate monger poo poo mixed with weird chud woo poo poo and getting mad about media having poc and lgbtq folks in it. Normies at best don’t give a poo poo and find those positions dumb and polls show the culture war poo poo is a non starter once you move past vague bullshit and “hurr sports”. I think people still don’t get that culture war is now the only war for these freaks and not just the ballyhooing to get the hogs into the tent of the circus of ayn rand.
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Charliegrs posted:I don't understand why people think DeSantis couldn't win the general after Trump won it in 2016? Like what negative qualities does DeSantis have that Trump didn't? Trump wasn't charismatic either. I don't think chuds care about charisma, in fact they want someone to be as outwardly evil as they are and DeSantis will definitely deliver when it comes to that. I think the most important difference is that the Republican candidate won't be running against Hillary Clinton, who had decades of media who typically cast her as boring and unlikeable when they were being generous, and demonic blood ritual baby puree when they weren't. Then, coming off 8 years of Obama, a lot of lib suburbanites figured it was either a slam dunk, or didn't care that much since they had been pulled to sleep by that stretch of center-right policy with lib messaging. All this worked together to produce a very low turnout election, which was the real element required for a huge upset to happen. It's just like in sports, if you want to upset a team much more likely to win than you are, you want the game to be very low scoring and have a very small number of total possessions. Upsets much more rarely happen in lots of total possessions and total points. If Trump, or the spiritual successor to him, is anywhere on the ballot, you're not going to get that low turnout anymore. That's not to say that Democrats couldn't still bumblefuck their way into losing, but the environment (incumbent, plus likely Trump or Trump-like on ballot), but they'll be significant favorites to win.
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Jan 24, 2023 15:03
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2016 wasn’t very low turnout. It was 59.2% of the voting eligible population, higher than 2012 and higher than all presidential elections from 1980 to 2000, and just barely below 2004. It was essentially average turnout for the last 40 years.
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Jan 24, 2023 15:18
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DarkCrawler posted:That would require for leftism in the United States to have an ounce of ruthlessness, media savvy and efficiency, something they clearly lack at least at the level of the political representation and in my experiences at majority level of the base. It's basically the same pathetic and pointless search for the mythical moderate Republican that the liberal class engages in, except trying to appeal to the poor instead of the suburbanites. As someone who lives here, I think it's obvious that the media knows which side butters their bread and stands in lockstep against actual leftism regardless of individual savvy. We also see this the New York Times recent push of trans panic articles and op-eds Harold Fjord fucked around with this message at 15:22 on Jan 24, 2023 |
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DarkCrawler posted:That would require for leftism in the United States to have an ounce of ruthlessness, media savvy and efficiency, something they clearly lack at least at the level of the political representation and in my experiences at majority level of the base. It's basically the same pathetic and pointless search for the mythical moderate Republican that the liberal class engages in, except trying to appeal to the poor instead of the suburbanites. There is no organized left in the US. There is an organized faction to the left of Republicans, but they're still squarely in the global center-right.
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Jan 24, 2023 15:21
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Bird in a Blender posted:2016 wasn’t very low turnout. It was 59.2% of the voting eligible population, higher than 2012 and higher than all presidential elections from 1980 to 2000, and just barely below 2004. It was essentially average turnout for the last 40 years. So maybe it came down to Trump's ability to bring out people who normally would not have voted?
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Harold Fjord posted:As someone who lives here, I think it's obvious that the media knows which side butters their bread and stands in lockstep against actual leftism regardless of individual savvy. As someone who knows about the history of leftism, welcome to leftism? When exactly do they try to compete in the existing media environment that stands in lockstep against them, instead of creating their own, attractive and competing ones? That requires individual savvy though, which again said, sorely lacking in seemingly every way. Lib and let die posted:There is no organized left in the US. There is an organized faction to the left of Republicans, but they're still squarely in the global center-right. Organized left doesn't spring out of the ground fully formed anywhere though. And it has sprung out in the United States as well, against responses against trying to organize the left that were far more violent from the start. DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 15:46 on Jan 24, 2023 |
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Eric Cantonese posted:So maybe it came down to Trump's ability to bring out people who normally would not have voted? And HRCs anti-inspirational "It's Her Time" campaign
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Failed Imagineer posted:And HRCs anti-inspirational "It's Her Time" campaign "I'm with her," seemed like a weird slogan. I always thought they should have added "because she's with me" or something like that at the end but maybe that would have been lovely too.
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DarkCrawler posted:As someone who knows about the history of leftism, welcome to leftism? When exactly do they try to compete in the existing media environment that stands in lockstep against them, instead of creating their own, attractive and competing ones? Buddy, right at this very moment, I am fighting with union leadership because we want to release a mildly critical statement after 140 of our colleagues were laid off with 8 minutes warning, locked out of their workstation (many while still on client calls), and they won't let us. Even labor unions aren't worth poo poo here because leadership often trends towards center-right and market unionism. Get a loving clue.
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Another casualty of the 2022 election cycle: Nate Silver https://www.thedailybeast.com/nate-silver-and-fivethirtyeight-are-on-abcs-chopping-block quote:Questions over FiveThirtyEight’s future come as Silver faces public criticism for his reliance on polls that inaccurately predicted a “red wave” in the midterm elections.
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Lib and let die posted:Buddy, right at this very moment, I am fighting with union leadership because we want to release a mildly critical statement after 140 of our colleagues were laid off with 8 minutes warning, locked out of their workstation (many while still on client calls), and they won't let us. Even labor unions aren't worth poo poo here because leadership often trends towards center-right and market unionism. Get a loving clue. I am fully aware of labor unions not being worth poo poo there, why are you presenting this as new information as opposed to just another sign of the inadequacy of the present way leftist political and media figures address the issues of the day? If none of them are leftist enough for you either and leftists just have no political representation or media figures at all, I would disagree, and describe for example Bernie Sanders and his political campaigns as center-left even in the context of the political leanings in the rest of the world. Or say, the Democratic Socialists of America.
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DarkCrawler posted:I am fully aware of labor unions not being worth poo poo there, why are you presenting this as new information as opposed to just another sign of the inadequacy of the present way leftist political and media figures address the issues of the day? Sure, we can call Bernie Sanders center left - when he's running a campaign. Senator Sanders however, is perfectly happy to go along with the Biden (center-right) agenda so if it legislates like a center-right politician...it's a center-right politician. But what I'm trying to convey to you, is that even when there is an organized left faction, it's incredibly likely that union leadership is compromised. We were told - quite literally - that releasing a statement about the layoffs could be so damaging to the business that we could lose our jobs - massive clients like AFL-CIO and AFSCME could decide "well, we're going to NationBuilder instead" and instead of using that as leverage, union leadership is insisting that no, we have to be meek and mild because we're so powerful we could hurt ourselves. Any organized left in America, right now, is a funnel to drag people back to liberal centrism and market unionism.
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Bird in a Blender posted:2016 wasn’t very low turnout. It was 59.2% of the voting eligible population, higher than 2012 and higher than all presidential elections from 1980 to 2000, and just barely below 2004. It was essentially average turnout for the last 40 years. You're right, I was thinking of the naive %-of-population and not %-of-eligible-population. But still with that, the notable outliers to the upside was 2008 at 62.5 and 2020 at 66.9. It looks like Wikipedia only has the naive measure going back further, but 2020's 62 on that measure is only comparable to 1952, and all the elections in the 1960s (wonder if anything interesting was going on back then lol). Anyway, while I don't think you can expect a repeat of that 66.9 figure, I also don't think it's going to fall by 8+ if there's Trump or anyone associated with the open fascist movement on the ballot, so there will probably be enough elevated turnout in 2024 to favor Democrats. To be honest, the most dangerous hypothetical candidate, to me, would be the secret fascist who looks and talks completely normal in the 2028 election (basically remember how the right wing imagined Obama was secretly going to do full communism as soon as hey got into to office? that, except inverted). The only saving grace is that it seems that fascists are wholly incapable of hiding their thoughts, and have to loudly remind everyone at all times what pieces of poo poo they are.
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archduke.iago posted:Another casualty of the 2022 election cycle: Nate Silver
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archduke.iago posted:Another casualty of the 2022 election cycle: Nate Silver Cutting the dude who's always wrong and replacing him with an auto-filling excel sheet for frantic  guys would be an immense benefit.
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archduke.iago posted:Another casualty of the 2022 election cycle: Nate Silver Was he the one that kept insisting that the newer polls were wrong when they all starting showing that it wasn't going to be nearly as big of a red wave? Seems like a good idea to cut an analyst who refuses to acknowledge data that doesn't fit their narrative.
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https://theintercept.com/2023/01/24/layoffs-democratic-party-ngp-van/ There are some real choice excerpts here. quote:At NGP VAN — one of the two major organizations that run the Democratic Party’s vaunted organizing, voter file, and compliance tools — and EveryAction, the fundraising software company it operates under, some 40 people lost their jobs in the layoffs. quote:For Democrats, that infrastructure is of paramount importance. Where once several smaller shops ran the party’s fundraising and campaign technology, many of the most prominent firms — ActionKit, Mobilize, Salsa Labs, and Blue State — were acquired by NGP VAN and EveryAction. (In 2019, EveryAction acquired ActionKit, a service that The Intercept uses for its email newsletters and fundraising.) quote:According to a transcript of a December meeting obtained by The Intercept, Layden, the newly appointed CEO, was asked about his priorities in his new role. “People often ask me — what’s the famous CEO question — like what keeps you up at night? I want you to know nothing keeps me up at night. I sleep like a baby. It’s just [as] if I have no conscience.” (Bonterra declined to comment.) quote:Democratic and progressive organizations that use EveryAction and NGP VAN should collectively demand investment in its services, said Tobias, the progressive strategist. “Either this company who now owns this thing promises us, signs agreements with us that they won’t cut costs, that they won’t degrade services, or we invest in alternatives,” he said. “It’s probably both, but it’s certainly not neither — which is what’s happening right now.” This article is considerably more inflammatory than the public statement we as CWA members planned to make that was shot down by CWA leadership.
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archduke.iago posted:Another casualty of the 2022 election cycle: Nate Silver  This will be absolutely devastating for his hairline
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archduke.iago posted:Another casualty of the 2022 election cycle: Nate Silver Man who hasn't gotten a single election call right in literally a decade wonders why he's about to be fired.
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Hey, another supposed incident of classified documents at someone’s house. https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/24/politics/pence-classified-documents-fbi/index.html This is going to eventually trigger a system-wife audit, right? Three cases of this and counting?
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IPlayVideoGames posted:Hey, another supposed incident of classified documents at someone’s house. I'm not sure Pence would agree to a wife audit
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Failed Imagineer posted:I'm not sure Pence would agree to a wife audit Keep your hands off Mother.
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Failed Imagineer posted:I'm not sure Pence would agree to a wife audit He'll get a little horse from objecting too hard.
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IPlayVideoGames posted:Hey, another supposed incident of classified documents at someone’s house. I have no doubt there are dozens of "cases" of this each year where someone cleans out a desk at their summer house and finds some classified document that accidentally slipped between a few takeout menus, and I'd imagine there is some process where they/their lawyer fills out a form saying they're really sorry and then everyone moves on. Presumably someone determined that the administrative burden of ensuring that every copy of every piece of classified material is tracked to a specific individual with a clear chain of custody with nothing falling through the cracks is more intrusive to the continued functioning of government than occasionally receiving documents from a former legislator who used Daily Troop Movements - Estonia (June 5, 2017) [Eyes Only] as a bookmark. Baronash fucked around with this message at 18:36 on Jan 24, 2023 |
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Lib and let die posted:https://theintercept.com/2023/01/24/layoffs-democratic-party-ngp-van/
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This is going to turn out to be a thing where there is just widespread gross negligence endemic to the entire government around classified information and the only reason we found out is because Trump tripled down on being perfect and demanding to take everything to court instead of just saying "oops" so it could get quietly swept under the rug, isn't it?
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KillHour posted:This is going to turn out to be a thing where there is just widespread gross negligence endemic to the entire government around classified information and the only reason we found out is because Trump tripled down on being perfect and demanding to take everything to court instead of just saying "oops" so it could get quietly swept under the rug, isn't it? It's not gross negligence, it's just regular oopsy-doodle negligence Gross negligence (the guy who realized he had a bunch of classified docs, threw them in the dumpster, kids found it) gets prosecuted for months or years in jail. See also the guy who accidentally took some documents on a trip and stashed them in a shared desk and forgot about them while he was on a bender. They are really the exception rather than the rule (probably because the government doesn't find out about most cases of this)
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A lot of things are grossly over-classified, too. The times the military intelligence planes take off in South Korea are classified "secret". You can also just sit outside the base and watch the planes take off all day, noting the time. I wouldn't be surprised to learn a lot of these found classified materials are really stupid things, like the time the food delivery gets made to Biden's house, and not nuclear secrets or "a list of all spies in China". There are certainly issues in how classified information is handled. And the higher your rank, the more people bend the rules to let you take things home, or out of the SCIF, or whatever minor rules violation is happening.
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