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Read Borges' poetry. Those were the first poems that ever truly grabbed me.
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# ? Dec 26, 2022 06:48 |
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The best modern compilation I've found (and I've tried a few) is Staying Alive, edited by Neil Astley. It's genuinely excellent, with 500 poems from the last century and this - is that modern enough for you? Treat it like all poetry compilations (IMHO) - if a poem doesn't speak to you, vote 1, move on - there will be another one soon that speaks to you. (Oddly enough, avoid the sequel Being Alive (and I know that the titles are the wrong way around - staying/being) - I found it disappointing. Clearly, all the good poems were used in the first volume.)
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# ? Dec 26, 2022 10:35 |
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Cool I'll check it out!
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# ? Dec 26, 2022 15:35 |
I would like to be patriotic and recommend some Danish poetry, specifically the poetry of Inger Christensen, widely considered one of the greatest Danish poets but mostly unknown outside of Europe. Christensen was a pioneer of the Danish movement of Systemic Poetry, in which entire poetry books are organized according to mathematical and/or linguistic patterns. Never is this more apparent than in her book-length poem Alphabet, in which the length of the stanzas follow the Fibonacci sequence while their topics are determined by the eponymous alphabet. Below, the first nine stanzas, translated by Susanna Nied (corresponding roughly to the free Kindle sample, so that should be okay).Alphabet posted:1
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# ? Dec 26, 2022 15:52 |
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read a poem by thomas bernhard
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# ? Dec 28, 2022 20:04 |
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Some favorites which I think are of a theme - for you, Lawman, and thread. She's probably thought simple and saccharine by the educated and y'all, but I'm simple too and could get by by her alone: Emily Dickinson posted:A modest lot, a fame petite, Emily Dickinson posted:“Hope” is the thing with feathers - Lisel Mueller posted:In November thread posted:...British poetical patriarchs... Tennyson posted:...Come, my friends,
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# ? Jan 5, 2023 08:37 |
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I think Dickinson must be one of the least simple, least saccharine poets there ever was.
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# ? Jan 5, 2023 17:15 |
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That's good to hear! I'm insecure about liking her Emily Dickinson posted:The butterfly's assumption-gown,
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# ? Jan 5, 2023 18:55 |
wode posted:That's good to hear! I'm insecure about liking her She's one of those where you think she' neat at first, then you read her more and start thinking she's trite, then you read her more and realize she's far better than you'd been willing to accept. It takes a lot of skill to make it look that easy.
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# ? Jan 5, 2023 19:17 |
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Hell yeah, let’s post Dickinson poemsquote:I heard a Fly buzz - when I died - quote:Before I got my eye put out – quote:What Soft – Cherubic Creatures –
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# ? Jan 14, 2023 22:28 |
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I have come to terms with the fact that I will never properly enjoy poetry from earlier than the 20th century. Here are three from the collection I posted earlier this page - hopefully there'll be something new for readers, something you've not come across before. (Normally I'd spam the thread with Louis MacNiece and Philip Larkin.) Look at this - not a rhyme in there.
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# ? Jan 15, 2023 16:26 |
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I've always liked "Wild Nights," one of Dickinson's hornier poems: quote:Wild Nights – Wild Nights!
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# ? Jan 15, 2023 16:55 |
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Selachian posted:one of Dickinson's hornier poems I feel unwell when asked to regard boat moorage as a metaphor for sex. This is probably my problem. But - she never saw the sea. Emily Dickinson posted:As by the dead we love to sit, Teach posted:Look at this - not a rhyme in there. These were novel to me. Eden Rock has hidden a few almost rhymes, yeah? I like it. The death-stalking Estonian not as much. For you a passage I saved - Kay Ryan yelling at Walt "Big! Lots!" Whitman:
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# ? Jan 19, 2023 08:54 |
Another thread just introduced me to Ern Malley, and I read his work with great interest. If you are not familiar with the great Australian poet, please read these poems with an open mind before you learn his tragic backstory:Ern Malley posted:Dürer: Innsbruck, 1495 Ern Malley was a hoax, created by two conservative Australian poets in an attempt to mock modernist poetry by publishing deliberately terrible poetry. The poems were hailed as masterpieces upon initial publication, and the editor was humiliated when the hoax was revealed. However, lots of people still maintain that at least some of these poems are genuinely good, and that the hoaxers had merely shown that allowing oneself to cut loose and be spontaneous leads to more interesting poetry. What do you think? SimonChris fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Jan 20, 2023 |
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# ? Jan 20, 2023 20:35 |
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SimonChris posted:
The first one is quite good, I think, the second one is bad, but neither would cause me to raise an eyebrow if they were compiled in a low-volume collection of modern poetry. wode posted:For you a passage I saved - Kay Ryan yelling at Walt "Big! Lots!" Whitman: I really like that bit of writing, thank you. It helps that it aligns with my thoughts on Whitman! I'm not averse to rhymes - this is one of my favourite poems, and the structure of this is... *chefskiss* The internal rhymes are effortless. It's “Sunlight on the Garden” by Louis Macneice quote:The sunlight on the garden
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# ? Jan 21, 2023 11:25 |
Just one more Ern Malley poem. The Lenin quote at the start is inspired:Ern Malley posted:Colloquy with John Keats Collected works: http://jacketmagazine.com/17/ern-poems.html
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# ? Jan 22, 2023 09:20 |
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I like Whitman a lot but that Kay Ryan extract is a great bit of writing, very funny. Here’s one from my boy John Ashbery. He writes nonsense verse essentially, you just roll with the vibes like half-thoughts drifting through the mind. quote:Ignorance of the Law is no Excuse
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# ? Jan 24, 2023 13:41 |
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While Dickinson poems are on this page, maybe someone can identify one for me. I believe it described a battlefield and a soldier dying. At the time I read it, I thought it rivalled Homer. Since then I've scoured the index of the Complete Poems, but I could never find it again. I don't remember any specific words.
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# ? Jan 24, 2023 16:46 |
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My Dickinson knowledge is woefully patchy. I guess it’s probably it’s not this one that starts:quote:It feels a shame to be Alive— Continued here, there’s a cool image of “battle’s horrid bowl” near the end: https://www.clarabartonmuseum.org/dickinson/ Not helpful to you, but while poking about I found this one I didn’t know and really like, stanza 3 in particular: quote:That after Horror- that 'twas us-
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# ? Jan 24, 2023 19:30 |
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Maybe this one?Success is counted sweetest (112) posted:Success is counted sweetest
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# ? Jan 25, 2023 02:16 |
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No, thank you but these are quite widely circulated ones, and I only encountered mine when going through the Complete Poems. I will just have to go through them again — which won’t be much of a chore.
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# ? Jan 25, 2023 12:33 |
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Let’s have a bit of Whitman why not. This is from Song of Myself. It’s old but it doesn’t rhyme!!quote:Twenty-eight young men bathe by the shore, I love Song of Myself. It’s a very long poem but it’s broken up into sections like the above which are usually self contained brilliant lyric poems in their own right.
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# ? Jan 26, 2023 16:11 |
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I guess I should probably read it then.
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# ? Jan 27, 2023 00:21 |
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Teach posted:I'm not averse to rhymes - this is one of my favourite poems, and the structure of this is... *chefskiss* The internal rhymes are effortless. BTW I’ve also always liked this one a lot, the last stanza in particular. I wonder if there’s a word for that form, where the first word rhymes with the end of the previous line? I’m not sure I’ve ever seen it elsewhere. Please do spam the thread with Macneice and Larkin! Larkin is gloomy and nasty as a person but he kind of rules
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Lobster Henry posted:BTW I’ve also always liked this one a lot, the last stanza in particular. I wonder if there’s a word for that form, where the first word rhymes with the end of the previous line? I’m not sure I’ve ever seen it elsewhere. Thank you. That MacNiece was a favourite of my late wife. I used the term "Internal rhyme", but I'm sure there's a better one that a perfunctory googling didn't find. The most famous MacNiece is possibly Meeting Place. quote:Time was away and somewhere else, But if you have time, look for Snow - it's short and uses language in... just new ways. Wonderful. I could start a thread about Larkin (I won't - it'll become a mire of "separating the art from the artist" grumblings), and there are some excellent anthologies of his. Get the Faber Collected if you can - I forget the name of the other anthology, but it makes the baffling decision not to group the poems by Larkin's own order in his four published collections, but chronologically by date of writing. Baffling. He published (like I said) four anthologies during his life - 1. The North Ship. Not juvenalia, quite, but... a poet developing, finding his own voice, throwing off his influences. 2. The Less Deceived. He's getting there. Some good funny stuff (Toads) and At Grass, which I love. So good. 3. The Whitsun Weddings. Here we loving go, one of those albums that feel like a greatest hits. The title poem is... perfect. An Arundel Tomb is perfect, too - "...what will survive of us is love." (And I know I've selectively quoted that. Don't @ me.) It's a short collection. Buy it. 4. High Windows. Annus Mirrablilis, This Be The Verse. The Explosion. No wait, here's The Explosion - quote:On the day of the explosion And there's one acknowledged great that was written after High Windows - Aubade. You're welcome. It's possibly his best single poem. I'm a Larkin nerd - AMA. OK, more soon so that I don't spam the thread to death.
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# ? Mar 6, 2023 21:06 |
These are all mine, but they are published and if they aren't good enough, I guess the mods can probe me or something?Revolver Literary posted:MUSKELIDS I have more published poetry, but I personally prefer the surreal stuff, and I don't want to spam the thread. Anyway, I need to get back into Larkin. If you watched Devs, they quote half of Aubade in the beginning. SimonChris fucked around with this message at 16:23 on Apr 1, 2024 |
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# ? Mar 9, 2023 11:44 |
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does dr suess count as poetry
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# ? Mar 9, 2023 22:54 |
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Of course, in the same way that baby food counts as food.
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# ? Mar 9, 2023 23:41 |
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Teach posted:Of course, in the same way that baby food counts as food. well, my other favorite poetry is WWI trench poetry, like Wilfred Owen and Sigfried Sassoon.
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# ? Mar 10, 2023 01:51 |
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Well, you're at .500 there. In the same way that Cobain>Corgan, Owen>Sassoon - he (Owen) had the courage of his convictions and had the decency to actually die in the war. (A week before the end, too - lol owned.) WW1 always feels like a phase that Sassoon was going through, whereas Owen meant it, and I think his poetry is clearer, and better. What do we (as a thread) think about outdated terms that are now considered slurs? I recently discovered that the author of one of my favourite poems (This is What I Wanted to Sign Off With) also wrote He Sits Down on the Floor of a School for the ********* Sorry. The poet, Alden Nowlan, died in 1983, so you can get mad at him if you like. The poem is... very good. https://deklynmorris.tripod.com/id55.html
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# ? Mar 11, 2023 23:49 |
Today I would like to talk about Morten Nielsen. Nielsen was a young, Danish resistance fighter who wrote his poetry while fighting Nazis in the streets of Copenhagen. His poem "Moment" has been added to the Danish literary canon: Morten Nielsen posted:Moment Sadly, Nielsen was killed in 1944 at the young age of 22, shot by a famous fellow resistance fighter known as "The Citron" (portrayed by Mads Mikkelsen in the movie "Flame & Citron"). The Citron claimed that the shooting was an accident but was shortly afterwards arrested and shot by the nazis, so the full story was never revealed. Morten Nielsen posted:Death Speaking of Danish occupation poetry, I can't not mention Piet Hein's famous Consolation Grook: Piet Hein posted:Consolation Grook Piet Hein was a Danish polymath who wrote a large amount of short rhyming poems that he called "Grooks", which usually contained hidden meanings and ironies. The Grooks became so succesful in Scandinavia that many of them have effectively turned into proverbs. Consolation Grook was his first published poem. The Consolation Grook may seem like a simple aphorism, but it was published in 1940, at the beginning of the Nazi occupation of Denmark, and the intended meaning was that losing our country was like losing the first glove, but giving up the fight would be like throwing away the other. The Nazi censors didn't get the meaning, and the poem was published without issue and subsequently spray-painted on walls around the country, as a reminder to keep up the fight. SimonChris fucked around with this message at 12:16 on Mar 13, 2023 |
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# ? Mar 12, 2023 15:24 |
Poem by Gu Cheng, a poet of the “Obscure” school in the 80s and 90s (I’ve also seen it translated as “misty” which is literally correct but slightly misses the meaning). Apart from his poetry, he is famous for retiring to New Zealand, going nuts when living in a polycule with his wife and another woman, attacking his wife with an axe and then killing himself; she also died as a result of her injuries. The third lady wasn’t hurt. Interestingly Wikipedia doesn’t mention the third lady (IIRC she was called baobei/baby) at all. Gu Cheng (顾城) posted:Near and Far I’ve always felt it described a really bad date.
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# ? Mar 19, 2023 16:10 |
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Can anyone recommend some novels-in-verse? I recently finished The Call Out by Cat Fitzpatrick and I enjoyed its Pushkin-style verse structure. I jumped right to Vikram Seth’s The Golden Gate which is pretty good too, but I’d like to explore more in this style. Thanks in advance!
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# ? Mar 20, 2023 15:03 |
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omeros by derek walcott is most likely one of the best things you will ever read
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# ? Mar 20, 2023 16:08 |
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barkingclam posted:Can anyone recommend some novels-in-verse? I recently finished The Call Out by Cat Fitzpatrick and I enjoyed its Pushkin-style verse structure. I jumped right to Vikram Seth’s The Golden Gate which is pretty good too, but I’d like to explore more in this style. Thanks in advance!
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eugene onegin
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# ? Mar 20, 2023 22:52 |
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Beefeater1980 posted:Poem by Gu Cheng, a poet of the “Obscure” school in the 80s and 90s (I’ve also seen it translated as “misty” which is literally correct but slightly misses the meaning). Apart from his poetry, he is famous for retiring to New Zealand, going nuts when living in a polycule with his wife and another woman, attacking his wife with an axe and then killing himself; she also died as a result of her injuries. The third lady wasn’t hurt. Interestingly Wikipedia doesn’t mention the third lady (IIRC she was called baobei/baby) at all. this guy has a novel that was translated into english that i want to read, but for some reason it was published by a german publisher who seem to mainly print textbooks so it's completely unfindable anywhere, except possibly from some of the new zealand universities that have copies in their libraries.
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# ? Mar 21, 2023 05:50 |
Prema Arasu posted:peeling a banana
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# ? Apr 6, 2023 08:19 |
https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=4030264 There is a good thread about Chinese poetry in the new casual book forum.
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Bandiet posted:While Dickinson poems are on this page, maybe someone can identify one for me. I believe it described a battlefield and a soldier dying. At the time I read it, I thought it rivalled Homer. Since then I've scoured the index of the Complete Poems, but I could never find it again. I don't remember any specific words. (639) My Portion is Defeat — today — A paler luck than Victory — Less Paeans — fewer Bells — The Drums don't follow Me — with tunes — Defeat — a somewhat slower — means — More Arduous than Balls — 'Tis populous with Bone and stain — And Men too straight to stoop again —, And Piles of solid Moan — And Chips of Blank — in Boyish Eyes — And scraps of Prayer — And Death's surprise, Stamped visible — in Stone — There's somewhat prouder, over there — The Trumpets tell it to the Air — How different Victory To Him who has it — and the One Who to have had it, would have been Contenteder — to die —
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