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Panderfringe posted:Why would you ban him from the store? If he's regular he's spending money. And if the rest of the regulars keep showing up regardless, then the store is only hurting itself by removing him. Wotc does not take cheating seriously (and why would they?) so why should stores? Because it drives other players away? Because it makes the store an unfriendly environment with unnecessary drama? Because cheaters suck and ruin the game? What kind of take is this?
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Framboise posted:Because it drives other players away? Because it makes the store an unfriendly environment with unnecessary drama? Because cheaters suck and ruin the game? panderfringe just has terrible takes on magic, don't give it too much thought. they were sure that wotc was going to remove standard from arena before the end of last year, for one
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I read it less as a moral defense of inaction, but an explanation for how the store isn't incentivized to give a poo poo. I don't know if the post is right about how they won't lose much money of they ignore it, but if they won't, it makes sense that they'd ignore it. Capitalism or whatever. It makes logical sense that you'd want to squash cheating to attract new players but would you actually see increased profits commensurate with the cost of enforcing fair play? Again I have no knowledge on this subject but I am interested in hearing people's thoughts, especially storeowners
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big cummers ONLY posted:I read it less as a moral defense of inaction, but an explanation for how the store isn't incentivized to give a poo poo. I don't know if the post is right about how they won't lose much money of they ignore it, but if they won't, it makes sense that they'd ignore it. Capitalism or whatever. It makes logical sense that you'd want to squash cheating to attract new players but would you actually see increased profits commensurate with the cost of enforcing fair play? I imagine it differs on a store by store basis. In my store, we would mercilessly root those people out because the paying customers who would stop coming to my store waaaay outnumbered the occasional paying cheater and we also had local competition. A store with no local competition and paying cheaters might have the opposite be the best business course of action. Running a physical game store with play space is a hard business and you have to make choices appropriate to your unique situation.
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Framboise posted:Because it drives other players away? Because it makes the store an unfriendly environment with unnecessary drama? Because cheaters suck and ruin the game? I agree that cheaters suck and should be banned. But, if a cheater is a consistent player in events which have had diminishing participation, then the store may need them more than it can afford to eject them. Likewise if the store's culture is lovely enough where that person is a central figure. Wotc themselves no longer care about punishing cheaters structurally, as well, which places an even more undue burden on local stores running events. They should not have to police what wotc could easily solve themselves. flatluigi posted:panderfringe just has terrible takes on magic, don't give it too much thought. they were sure that wotc was going to remove standard from arena before the end of last year, for one I mean they effectively have. You can still click on the button that says play and select standard, but... why would you want to? It's not fun to play, there's no premier events, there's no reason to play standard ever. It exists, but that's all it does.
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Not having fun with standard is not the same thing as standard not being in the arena client anymore.
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Panderfringe posted:I agree that cheaters suck and should be banned. But, if a cheater is a consistent player in events which have had diminishing participation, then the store may need them more than it can afford to eject them. Likewise if the store's culture is lovely enough where that person is a central figure. They literally run premier standard events regularly
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Panderfringe posted:Wotc themselves no longer care about punishing cheaters structurally I see no evidence of this being true
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Jan 25, 2023 22:13
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WotC does enough dumb things on their own that you really don't need to make up fake reasons if you want to get mad at them for something
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Kashuno posted:WotC does enough dumb things on their own that you really don't need to make up fake reasons if you want to get mad at them for something I think the dismantling of the DCI is enough to make their statement true.
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Sickening posted:I think the dismantling of the DCI is enough to make their statement true. Watanabe cheated so hard in 2019 that they had to delete the whole organized play system before his ban was up.
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Time posted:They literally run premier standard events regularly Check the post history lol.
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Panderfringe posted:I mean they effectively have. You can still click on the button that says play and select standard, but... why would you want to? Over 50% of the playerbase want to 
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Yeah, don't confuse 'people don't play paper standard anymore' with 'people don't play standard at all anymore'.
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I don't think arena sporting a 55% for standard is the high praise you are making it out to be. Its more of an indictment. Because that reads "what else am I going to do on arena?" , as the other 3 fake formats aren't exactly exciting either and are arena only.
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Sickening posted:I don't think arena sporting a 55% for standard is the high praise you are making it out to be for a product like arena. Its more of an indictment. if I'm reading that chart correctly 55% of players have standard as their main constructed format? That's pretty good across 4 formats
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Kashuno posted:if I'm reading that chart correctly 55% of players have standard as their main constructed format? That's pretty good across 4 formats For a product so heavily designed and marketed to play the standard format? For the other options to be arena only formats with no crossover? Ehhhhhh nah. The fact that they take in 45% from standard isn't selling the standard format well.
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Sickening posted:I don't think arena sporting a 55% for standard is the high praise you are making it out to be. Its more of an indictment. Because that reads "what else am I going to do on arena?" , as the other 3 fake formats aren't exactly exciting either and are arena only. All formats are fake (and Pioneer and Explorer are very similar at least as far as meta decks go)
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At this point they might rather people play "fake" formats that are unique to Arena rather than cannibalizing the format that was previously their main driver of paper play.
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Could we get lists of which formats are "fake" and "not fake," respectively? I'd hate to be known to play a totally-not-real-Magic format 
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Judgy Fucker posted:Could we get lists of which formats are "fake" and "not fake," respectively? I'd hate to be known to play a totally-not-real-Magic format real: mtgo vintage cube fake: everything else
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Momir is the only non-fake format
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"Fake" formats tending to be more fun than standard is more an indictment of standard than anything else
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Judgy Fucker posted:Could we get lists of which formats are "fake" and "not fake," respectively? I'd hate to be known to play a totally-not-real-Magic format Real: 40 cards deck with no number limit for card. Original alpha cards only. Paper only. No proxies. With ante. Fake: everything else.
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Judgy Fucker posted:Could we get lists of which formats are "fake" and "not fake," respectively? I'd hate to be known to play a totally-not-real-Magic format draft is the only real format everything else is fake, but Commander is more fake than the others
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Kashuno posted:draft is the only real format everything else is fake, but Commander is more fake than the others How do you feel about commander draft?
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Watching a video this morning and on MODO, painter's servant gets applied to dungeons, messing up the text placement on them.
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WotC should consider unbanning Deathrite Shaman in the fake format called Modern
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ShallNoiseUpon posted:real: mtgo vintage cube I have never ever understood the need for the term "based" to exist, when you could just say, "I unironically agree with this hot take".
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AngryBooch posted:WotC should consider unbanning Deathrite Shaman in the fake format called Modern They should unban looting so I can play izzet phoenix again, the most fun deck that modern has ever had 
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I want fully unbanned Modern, just so that Eldrazi can basically poo poo on any other possible deck and people would claim for bans again.
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Full spoiler's out, those are some insane signpost uncommons for draft.
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PlasticAutomaton posted:Full spoiler's out, those are some insane signpost uncommons for draft. Wait, has anything come out regarding what the "Battle" card type is, yet?
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Framboise posted:Wait, has anything come out regarding what the "Battle" card type is, yet? not this set
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AngryBooch posted:WotC should consider unbanning Deathrite Shaman in the fake format called Modern DRS is one of the few cards that I look at and get angry. I started paying attention to competitive about a year before it was printed so I slogged through caw-go mirror matches (great fun… if you’re one of the players!) just to get hit in the face with DRS in every game and it sucks so bad. I don’t know that they could print a card more powerful than it because hasty birds of paradise with 2 power is what it would take.
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YggdrasilTM posted:I want fully unbanned Modern, just so that Eldrazi can basically poo poo on any other possible deck and people would claim for bans again. iirc the eldrazi decks aren't even the most powerful thing in no-ban list modern, they're just really good I think it's some dark depths deck that absolutely shreds those tournaments generally, and probably hogaak decks I suppose. It's been awhile since the last one though
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Weird Pumpkin posted:I think it's some dark depths deck that absolutely shreds those tournaments generally, and probably hogaak decks I suppose. It's been awhile since the last one though I remember a TCC video a couple months ago where someone was playing a Dark Depths deck. I think the gimmick might have even been "no ban list". There were some kind of shenanigans she pulled off to be able to almost instantly remove all the counters from dark depths and get Merit Lage out, it was sick. Maybe she duplicated the land and the dupe came in without counters, or something?
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