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We're not gonna do poo poo to get off oil in the grand scheme of things. The war wagons will still run on guzzoline even as we pass 3 degrees warming
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Jan 26, 2023 05:09
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mystes posted:hump day for our civilization hump day? hump day??? that's another reason why we're in this predicament now!!!!
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Jan 26, 2023 05:09
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mystes posted:In a scenario where all cars were electric, people would probably end up just swapping out the batteries rather than recharging them on the go. This would probably be even more practical if someone works out a new battery chemistry that doesn't involve rare poo poo and batteries get cheaper, although who knows if that will happen. I'm also not that optimistic about fuel cells right now although you never know. Fuel cells seem more likely than us figuring out lithium recycling at scale. At any scale really, it's energy intensive. And swapping batteries instead of recharging them would need either public ownership of batteries or a battery technology that isn't so goddamn fragile and prone to bursting into flames. Either point we're well beyond "build more rail tracks" in expense and complexity, especially as you could use the rail tracks for power and data communications so desperately needed.
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Jan 26, 2023 05:10
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fuckin toner police in the climate thread smhCommieGIR posted:Cars are a climate issue, but you are focusing on the wrong reason why they are bad.
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Jan 26, 2023 05:11
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commigir aka 'the nuclear option'
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Jan 26, 2023 05:13
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stop talking about cars STOP TALKING ABOUT CARS AAAAAAAAAAAA  
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Jan 26, 2023 05:18
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You can even still have suburbs with trolly cars.
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Jan 26, 2023 05:21
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where did that meme originally come from
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Jan 26, 2023 05:22
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I just want to live in a foreboding concrete tower in a city where any path not a metro can fit a wheelchair at the largest, nobody's capable of hitting me with a ton of metal because they weren't paying attention, and the only ways out are by foot, by boat, or by train. Is that so bad?
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Jan 26, 2023 05:26
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actionjackson posted:where did that meme originally come from the math one is great but these feel too realistic
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Jan 26, 2023 05:47
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OIL PANIC posted:i don't think i've ever visited the gently caress cars thread, but am i right in thinking it's just cool guys patting each other on the back (justifiably so) for not owning cars? or does it get a lotta drive-by posting from It is mostly a constant stream of injustice and impotent rage at clearly unnecessary death caused by the bastard automobile, broken up by the occasional nice train or transit system Idk I find it harder to look at than this thread bc of how inherently preventable car death is
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Jan 26, 2023 05:54
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i have a problem with the idea that we have a right to move at 100km/hour just to get places faster, a speed at which our steel death cubes annihilate anything they touch
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Jan 26, 2023 06:21
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steer your way past the corpses of the wombat and the roo
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Jan 26, 2023 06:22
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think ive posted thisbefore but good biosphere death song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehwRu_Q7qzw
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Jan 26, 2023 06:24
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endlessmonotony posted:Yes I'm perfectly aware the fuel cell cars will still have small batteries and will be called the next generation of electric cars and we'll just pretend Tesla never happened. lol, hydrogen is just natural gas with extra steps "but but but if we have infinite electrical energy from pixie dust we can make hydrogen out of water!" bullshit, if we had infinite electrical energy, we'd be using it to mine and refine the worst petroleum sources that we can find, because everything else sucks at energy storage compared to hydrocarbons. cars, and the infrastructure built around them are incompatible with a habitable planet. the energy demands of a civilization where one person can travel hundred of miles to any destination in a personal vehicle are too high. and the efficiency of a society built around cheap fossil fuels is horrible due to the low density and sprawl. there's simply no way to square away the massive energy needs of a car based civilization with the need to reduce energy expenditure enough to stop burning fossil fuels. and since we've already got the car based society, we're gonna be burning those hydrocarbons into oblivion.
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Jan 26, 2023 07:48
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Dustcat posted:sadly all the TobleroneTriangular posts were lost when LF was deleted God drat what a blast from the past
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Jan 26, 2023 08:30
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FlapYoJacks posted:Most people in my circle understand that climate change is happening, governments aren’t/won’t do poo poo about it until it’s too late, and it’s already too late. In Poland there’s a single lignite coal power plant which emits as much co2 as Finland does. And the world is loaded full with that kind of plants. Yes.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_coal-fired_power_stations The world is full of coal power plants which each plant alone emit as much co2 yearly as a small country…
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Jan 26, 2023 09:07
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MightyBigMinus posted:the only scenario where you can reductively replace all cars with trains is like some kind of reverse-pol-pot situation where everyone is moved at gunpoint into giant towers clustered around trainstations ❤️  ❤️MightyBigMinus posted:but its not gonna happen. replacing 80 - 95% of ICE passenger cars with EVs is going to happen. and lithium (and even nickel and copper) aren't going to stop it. I think you're right about this. Or at least, us getting rid of cars is so unlikely that full conversion to EVs looks like a definite lock-in by comparison.
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Jan 26, 2023 13:45
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tbf in the grand scheme it's hopeless. humanity is a goon stuck in a well.
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Jan 26, 2023 13:47
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Hexigrammus posted:Struggling with this. Even if you're vegan your diet is going to result in competing with and displacing other species of animals, even extirpating them if the drat things won't learn to respect the garden fence. Is it ethical to keep companion animals that are largely the creation of humans and who have better access to food, shelter, and medical care than a majority of humans? (And increasingly a not insignificant number of North Americans.) And then there's the carbon footprint of every bag of Costco puppy chow. you refrain from consuming animal products as far as is possible and practicable, with the goal of reducing the amount of suffering and exploitation in our consumption. there are of course things you can do outside of veganism in order to further reduce those things, but the goal of veganism is that. eggs are one of the worst because male chicks born on egg farms are thrown into a grinder as soon as they're old enough to be sexed all that being said, domesticated animals live some of the best lives of any animals on the planet. we're the ones being exploited in that relationship lol
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Jan 26, 2023 13:49
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Re: copper chat It doesn't matter if you recycle or not lol we just don't produce enough quote:The report forecasts copper demand nearly doubling to 50 million metric tons by 2035. By 2050, demand will reach more than 53 million metric tons. To put this figure in perspective, S&P Global noted that that's "more than all the copper consumed in the world between 1900 and 2021."
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Jan 26, 2023 15:15
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Cars are dumb ok
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Jan 26, 2023 15:21
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cat botherer posted:Cars are dumb ok one brand is called smart
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Jan 26, 2023 16:29
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Real hurthling! posted:one brand is called smart
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Jan 26, 2023 16:31
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mystes posted:lol that even people in the biosphere collapse thread won't admit that cars are a mistake
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Jan 26, 2023 16:32
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It don't mattah. None of this mattahs.
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Jan 26, 2023 16:34
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We're aren't going to replace our ICE vehicles with electric ones. We're just going to go extinct.
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Jan 26, 2023 16:37
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I go to bed, and people are talking about cars. I wake up, and people are talking about cars. The personal automobile and its consequences have been an absolute disaster for all of Earth's species. We're never going to stop driving. We'll never replace ICE with EV, especially for more intensive purposes (trucks, ships, etc) - just like renewables to fossil fuels, we'll just use them to increase overall supply without phase out.
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Jan 26, 2023 16:45
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Jan 26, 2023 16:50
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society should have been reordered around rollerblading in the 90s too late now
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Jan 26, 2023 16:50
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goochtit posted:society should have been reordered around rollerblading in the 90s
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Jan 26, 2023 16:57
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EVs will accomplish many great things, such as making the global rich feel better for a while about their disgustingly resource intensive lifestyles while the global poor are displaced and starve in untold numbers
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Jan 26, 2023 17:02
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brakeless posted:EVs will accomplish many great things, such as making the global rich feel better for a while about their disgustingly resource intensive lifestyles while the global poor are displaced and starve in untold numbers Ah yes, but as a wise doomer, this is actually a good thing! Because you see the displacement and starvation of untold number of poor people is inevitable and unstoppable, it is a fixed reality. Therefore at least the rich feeling better is a marginal improvement over the status quo.
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Jan 26, 2023 17:07
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I mean with any luck at least a marginal percentage of them will get locked in by faulty software and immolated by faulty batteries  Silver linings y'all
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Jan 26, 2023 17:23
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hey, i know we're pro-train and anti-coal here, but how do we feel about steam locomotives?
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Jan 26, 2023 17:31
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Overpriced, does not model trains with enough accuracy. So obviously I purchased the game and $420.69 worth of dlcs
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Jan 26, 2023 17:32
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Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:hey, i know we're pro-train and anti-coal here, but how do we feel about steam locomotives?
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Jan 26, 2023 17:33
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Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:hey, i know we're pro-train and anti-coal here, but how do we feel about steam locomotives?
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Jan 26, 2023 17:33
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have there ever been steam locomotives powered by anything other than coal? genuinely curious here, i don't know much about trains
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Jan 26, 2023 17:34
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want to see the solar powered steam engine that passes sunlight from solar collectors along the whole train up a mirrored vacuum tube to the boiler
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