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They still spammed it three times in one minute. I don’t care if you’re hosting a learning party, that’s rude as poo poo. But also lol blue checkmark.
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flatluigi posted:the first time i did the cerberus fight someone did the a b c macro but the meme version that tells everyone to get in the belly I still prefer the meme macro because it's impossible to have too many people go into the belly, but I'm still usually one of like 5 people who make it in.
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Jan 26, 2023 23:01
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Doesn’t Cerberus stop eating people after a certain number of people anyway
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Jan 26, 2023 23:05
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again it was the first time i did the fight so i had no idea what was going on, but i think it was that nobody knew how to do chains (or at least the people who knew assumed other people would do it)
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Jan 26, 2023 23:11
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The meme macro is correct. And yes there's a limit to how many people can fit in the belly but you'll never see it unless you have an FC run or something, pubbies hate the belly.
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Jan 26, 2023 23:14
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flatluigi posted:the first time i did the cerberus fight someone did the a b c macro but the meme version that tells everyone to get in the belly I'm sure this person was actually unironically mad, which is embarrassing and tasteless, but getting your alliance raid wiped and then complaining that everyone wiped will always be funny to me. like i never aim the nier lasers to wipe anyone, but any time I've seen it done it's funniest when whoever spun the laser then launches into alliance chat to be like "hey guys, let's take this seriously :/"
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Jan 26, 2023 23:22
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I’d simply play the game in a courteous way to others since I enjoy seeing other people have fun 
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Jan 26, 2023 23:22
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Yesterday I was in C as DPS and I both went in the belly AND attached the chain. 
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Jan 26, 2023 23:26
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yeah i just go inside every time on cero regardless of class, even as a healer you'll do more in there than outside in 99% parties
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Jan 26, 2023 23:28
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it's a bizarre delegation anyway because you don't need eight whole people to handle chains everyone should just do what they want
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Badger of Basra posted:Doesn’t Cerberus stop eating people after a certain number of people anyway
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Jan 26, 2023 23:31
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Cerberus is kind of rough to learn anyway, though, because it can be difficult to piece together points of failure from a singular perspective - you have to get hit by the Gastric Bubble BEFORE you jump in the puke puddle, but in the heat of the moment it's pretty easy to miss the spawn of the former and just see people caught in the latter and not get why some die and some don't. And when the chains part becomes available you have to know to not attack the now-helpless target and look around and interact with the wall and then go back and interact with the boss - things you don't really have to do all that often in the game. Plus, only two people can do the chains - but only after the people in the belly are done - and with the way the timers work, there's generally only one shot at it so if whoever has a chain doesn't attach it in time then that's pretty much a wipe. It's kind of a mess.
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Jan 26, 2023 23:32
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everyone learns that chain carrying is a buff with a timer eventually
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Yeah, the belly is a powerfully unintuitive mechanic and goes against everything a newbie has been taught to date: "don't kill this add, stand in its slow debuff cast and get debuffed, and then run into an obvious puddle of Bad that you may be able to see some people dying in." I always go for it these days, but I can't blame new players for screwing it up.
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Jan 26, 2023 23:43
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Vitamean posted:it's a bizarre delegation anyway because you don't need eight whole people to handle chains You don't need eight people to handle chains, but World of Darkness (the entire Crystal Tower raid line, in fact) is mostly a big dumb faceroll run by either new people or people who are completely mentally checked out, with Cerberus being the one exception. There's no prizes for being the Number One WoD Do-ers and you never will be, it's just a pass-fail system, and the A-B-C strat has the highest chance of passing given how most of any given WoD run is extremely stupid. The goal isn't to get eight people to do a two-person mechanic, it's to tell eight people to do a mechanic so that at least two of them register that they have a job for long enough to actually do it.
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Jan 26, 2023 23:49
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Always be Vore
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Cleretic posted:You don't need eight people to handle chains, but World of Darkness (the entire Crystal Tower raid line, in fact) is mostly a big dumb faceroll run by either new people or people who are completely mentally checked out, with Cerberus being the one exception. There's no prizes for being the Number One WoD Do-ers and you never will be, it's just a pass-fail system, and the A-B-C strat has the highest chance of passing given how most of any given WoD run is extremely stupid. Actually ABC does not have the highest chance of success, since it never gets explained how to get in the belly regardless of if it is the unironic macro or the serious macro so if you're gonna wipe, you're gonna wipe.
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Yeah there's a good chance that 16 of the people in there just see an ABC macro and assume it's some meme or something, and blissfully do the fight without knowing what any of those mechanics mean or how to accomplish them.
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Thundarr posted:Actually ABC does not have the highest chance of success, since it never gets explained how to get in the belly regardless of if it is the unironic macro or the serious macro so if you're gonna wipe, you're gonna wipe. Yeah, that's the actual problem with the ABC strat, which is absolutely nothing to do with 'tell eight people to do a two-person job'. Getting in the belly is a weird and unintuitive three-step process that people rarely take the time to explain.
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A Belly Certainly is the best place to be for this fight
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All will Be consumed by Cerberus
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Ah yes, the strat of chain holding because "it's free damage!" then the chain times out and you watch everyone get vored
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Antivehicular posted:Yeah, the belly is a powerfully unintuitive mechanic and goes against everything a newbie has been taught to date: "don't kill this add, stand in its slow debuff cast and get debuffed, and then run into an obvious puddle of Bad that you may be able to see some people dying in." I always go for it these days, but I can't blame new players for screwing it up. I had a powerful run where the two puddles directly overlapped so the only people that got to get et were the ones in the initial mini cast. Everyone else that tried got Cerb murdered.
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Abdomen Bonds Companions
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I think y’all worry about this too much I haven’t wiped on Cerberus in years
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Most recent Cerberus wipe I've had was in November last year. I'd forgotten that you can do belly phase more than once in the same pull.
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Meanwhile, in Omega Ultimate: It turns out teams are wiping to a damage race element because Hello World floods them with so many debuffs that it causes some characters to hit the cap of buffs/debuffs a character can have. And if they hit that cap, further buffs and debuffs just won't get applied. Which is almost definitely a bug, but also feels like exactly an Omega mechanic.
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Hogama posted:I'd forgotten that you can do belly phase more than once in the same pull. "You had to do the whole Cerberus song and dance multiple times when WoD was current content" was as shocking a revelation to me as "when Syrcus was current, Glasya Labolas had incredibly complicated mechanics."
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Cleretic posted:Meanwhile, in Omega Ultimate: It turns out teams are wiping to a damage race element because Hello World floods them with so many debuffs that it causes some characters to hit the cap of buffs/debuffs a character can have. And if they hit that cap, further buffs and debuffs just won't get applied. It would legitimately be funny if the intended failure state is "by taking too long you received so many loving debuffs that your buffer overran and you glitched to death".
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Cleretic posted:Meanwhile, in Omega Ultimate: It turns out teams are wiping to a damage race element because Hello World floods them with so many debuffs that it causes some characters to hit the cap of buffs/debuffs a character can have. And if they hit that cap, further buffs and debuffs just won't get applied. lol
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Antivehicular posted:"You had to do the whole Cerberus song and dance multiple times when WoD was current content" was as shocking a revelation to me as "when Syrcus was current, Glasya Labolas had incredibly complicated mechanics." "Oh, there's adds. They've tethered. Should we do something about them? ...No? Just keep beating his face? Okay then." So, if those adds did the now-standard invincibility phase when they tether, how hosed would the braindead CT runners be?
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Dareon posted:"Oh, there's adds. They've tethered. Should we do something about them? ...No? Just keep beating his face? Okay then." Extremely. Glasya probably hasn't had the chance to summon the robots since sometime in 2017, let alone the island hopping while he charges up his spirit bomb. The alliance would be lucky if 1 in 3 had ever seen them, and less would remember what to do about it.
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Cleretic posted:Meanwhile, in Omega Ultimate: It turns out teams are wiping to a damage race element because Hello World floods them with so many debuffs that it causes some characters to hit the cap of buffs/debuffs a character can have. And if they hit that cap, further buffs and debuffs just won't get applied. Wait, is that why the phase four section and Blue Screen seems like it's way too short to be a proper burn?
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no, Blue Screen is by all indications the puzzle of the fight, and appears in phase 4 dps issues due to the buff cap are occurring in phase 3
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When do teams usually stream their prog? Also, unrelated, but https://twitter.com/NecroIogos/status/1618324141488377857?t=36k327D4bl1AS3ETLm102Q&s=19
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TheWorldsaStage posted:When do teams usually stream their prog?
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Much like every other member of the Scions, Alphinaud was vastly improved by having someone around to bully him occasionally.
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Cleretic posted:Meanwhile, in Omega Ultimate: It turns out teams are wiping to a damage race element because Hello World floods them with so many debuffs that it causes some characters to hit the cap of buffs/debuffs a character can have. And if they hit that cap, further buffs and debuffs just won't get applied. this sounds incredibly frustrating
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Pwnstar posted:Much like every other member of the Scions, Alphinaud was vastly improved by having someone around to bully him occasionally. This game has genuinely showed me how important it is for a character to have some kind of counter-voice against them for me to consider them 'good'. Alphinaud is basically the god-example, but there are so many others later on. It's the main reason Gaius is so good now, and not only does it save Past Lahabrea in Pandaemonium, but his hatred of Azem also fixes most of my complaints about that character. It's the only reason the Bozjan Resistance really has any character at all, let's be honest. And I hold that it's the main reason Fandaniel even exists at all, making Emet's entire plan and worldview more realistic and digestible by showing that it loving sucks and doesn't work.
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