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3D Megadoodoo posted:Yeah and anyway viking wasn't an ethnicity, it was a job. I always switch out "viking" for "accountant" in my head.
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Groda posted:I always switch out "viking" for "accountant" in my head. I'm currently rotating a viking cum accountant in my mind. Hmm-mm. Rotate that viking cum accountant real good. And they can't do anything about it!
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Jan 27, 2023 10:43
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I guess the vikings were before the concepts of international law and war crimes existed so they get off on a technicality. Just a series of perfectly legal atrocities, nothing to see here
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Jan 27, 2023 11:23
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Do you have anything to back this up? Most of what the vikings did was just large-scale regular crimes, like organized robberies. Well, one of the most sustainable ventures they came up with was raiding Ireland for slaves, some for domestic duties as thralls in Scandinavia, but mostly for sale to the Caliphate - usually through middlemen on the Volga/Dnepr.
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Jan 27, 2023 11:41
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Angepain posted:I guess the vikings were before the concepts of international law and war crimes existed so they get off on a technicality. Just a series of perfectly legal atrocities, nothing to see here Good news, in case of human rights violations, crimes against humanity etc. it's often accepted that international law can be applied retrospectively! So we can finally put those Viking fuckers behind bars
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Jan 27, 2023 11:58
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Carbon dioxide posted:Vikings went to Great Britain and 'stole' women from the local villages by bathing regularly, unlike the local men. It’s worth pointing out that we know this because some guy wrote it down as an explanation for why the English just had to murder a bunch of Danes. quote:The Danes, thanks to their habit to comb their hair every day, to bathe every Saturday, to change their garments often, and set off their persons by many such frivolous devices. In this manner, they laid siege to the virtue of the married women, and persuaded the daughters even of the nobles to be their concubines.
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Jan 27, 2023 12:18
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Angepain posted:I guess the vikings were before the concepts of international law and war crimes existed so they get off on a technicality. Just a series of perfectly legal atrocities, nothing to see here Killing monks and priests to get their loot was objectively good. Raping and enslaving was objectively bad. But neither were done in a war.
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Jan 27, 2023 12:20
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3D Megadoodoo posted:Killing monks and priests to get their loot was objectively good. You could say that Vikings were a land of contrasts. It is always funny how everyone gets exclusively focused on the local scuffles in England, while Viking literally pillaged half the Europe.
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Jan 27, 2023 12:28
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I just started listening to the new Hardcore History, which is a sequel to the past show Thor's Angels. This one is about Vikings. Near the start is discussion about Christian Europe putting pressure on the pagan lands to convert-- rather violent pressure, like the monk that would go and chop down the sacred trees that held up the universe. And plenty of killing. poo poo like that. What I'm getting at here is that Vikings raids were in fact pre-emptive, defensive maneuvers against the barbaric christians so any atrocities don't count.
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Jan 27, 2023 12:32
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And then the raids mostly stopped after the Norse did convert. (And got more organized into larger-scale kingdoms, and spent their energy more often on regular wars or civil/succession wars instead.)
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Jan 27, 2023 12:36
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Weren’t most Vikings farmers? I thought the raiding was more of a side quest but farming isn’t as fun to talk about.
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Jan 27, 2023 12:47
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Snowy posted:Weren’t most Vikings farmers? I thought the raiding was more of a side quest but farming isn’t as fun to talk about. No. Farmers farmed, vikings viked. The people as a whole weren't called vikings.
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Jan 27, 2023 12:50
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3D Megadoodoo posted:No. Farmers farmed, vikings viked. The people as a whole weren't called vikings. They all wore horned helmets though?
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Issaries posted:They all wore horned helmets though? Well obviously, as they did not have horns of their own.
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The horns were their drinking vessels and thats why there were two of them, for each hand
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Jan 27, 2023 13:03
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We’ve cracked the case. They were beer helmets.
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Snowy posted:Weren’t most Vikings farmers? I thought the raiding was more of a side quest but farming isn’t as fun to talk about. Mostly, just about everyone farmed part of the time, everyone fished and/or hunted part of the time, and some people who had the means and also felt like taking risks also went raiding part of the time. The ones who survived and profited from the raids became rich fancy boys. A few transitioned to being full-time raiders but these would be the exception.
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Platystemon posted:It’s worth pointing out that we know this because some guy wrote it down as an explanation for why the English just had to murder a bunch of Danes. That quote is from a text from the 13th century. It's someone writing hundreds of years after the fact just making up some amusing bullshit. The idea that medieval Europeans didn't bathe or groom themelves is mostly complete nonsense.
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Jan 27, 2023 13:23
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That's true about Europeans, but English aren't Europeans.
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The English traditionally didn't need to bathe, they'd get plenty of time in the water from descending into the depths to visit their R'lyeh brethren, not to mention the regular dips needed to keep their gills from drying up.
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Saladman posted:I was wondering why he had like, Bulgaria and Croatia as "food too good to be white". I’ve been there and still have no clue what Croatian or ex-Yugoslav cuisine in general is like, nor Bulgaria. I don’t remember it being very Turkish inspired. I remember it as just like… completely generic "European food", like here’s a steak, or a fish, and here some standard vegetables as a side. Here is a salad with lettuce and some other stuff sprinkled in it. Etc. Maybe his grandma has like one dish that’s specific. If Switzerland didn’t have fondue and raclette it would be the same cuisine as I’ve had in the Balkans, besides Greece and Turkey. Cuisine varies highly within Croatia between the different regions, let alone between different exYu states. A lot of my family from the interior are pure meat and potatos people and put ketchup on their pizza, which is very different from the coast where they eat a lot of fish. Also parts of Croatia were never taken by the ottomans so you’re going to see a lot less Turkish influence there than other Balkan places (with the exception of Slovenia). Croatian food is probably my least favourite in the region, but there’s no accounting for taste so I’m glad that guy thinks it’s better than French.
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There are two principal races of the Britons, the Caledonians and the Maeatae, and the names of the others have been merged in these two. The Maeatae live next to the cross-wall which cuts the island in half, and the Caledonians are beyond them. Both tribes inhabit wild and waterless mountains and desolate and swampy plains, and possess neither walls, cities, nor tilled fields, but live on their flocks, wild game, and certain fruits; for they do not touch the fish which are there found in immense and inexhaustible quantities. They dwell in tents, naked and unshod, possess their women in common, and in common rear all the offspring. Their form of rule is democratic for the most part, and they are very fond of plundering; consequently they choose their boldest men as rulers. They go into battle in chariots, and have small, swift horses; there are also foot-soldiers, very swift in running and very firm in standing their ground. For arms they have a shield and a short spear, with a bronze apple attached to the end of the spear-shaft, so that when it is shaken it may clash and terrify the enemy; and they also have daggers. They can endure hunger and cold and any kind of hardship; for they plunge into the swamps and exist there for many days with only their heads above water, and in the forests they support themselves upon bark and roots, and for all emergencies they prepare a certain kind of food, the eating of a small portion of which, the size of a bean, prevents them from feeling either hunger or thirst.
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These creatures are the only sentient race in the sector and they're made out of Maeat.
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Randarkman posted:That quote is from a text from the 13th century. It's someone writing hundreds of years after the fact just making up some amusing bullshit. The idea that medieval Europeans didn't bathe or groom themelves is mostly complete nonsense. This is kind of true. They bathed only around once a month, maybe once a week if they were fancy. Also, their general level of hygiene was really low. Their straw flooring was hardly ever changed out, they emptied their chamber pots in the public spaces, their animals roamed throughout the public spaces. It was a generally gross time.
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Count Roland posted:I just started listening to the new Hardcore History, which is a sequel to the past show Thor's Angels. This one is about Vikings. Near the start is discussion about Christian Europe putting pressure on the pagan lands to convert-- rather violent pressure, like the monk that would go and chop down the sacred trees that held up the universe. And plenty of killing. poo poo like that. In that case it backfired pretty badly, since Scandinavia mostly got converted by Vikings. Sure, there were some missionaries puttering around converting the odd Scandinavian, but large scale conversation only happened once Viking kings saw the benefits an organized religion had on how many people you could rule.
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Holsten and Slesvig are German crimes.
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I've said it before and I say it again: Make Slesvig-Holsten Danish again.
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If you love Schlesvig-Holstein so much why don't you join Germany?
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Good ball by Dixon posted:If you love Schlesvig-Holstein so much why don't you join Germany? We offered to join when Bismarck was doing his thing, but he figured we'd be too much trouble.
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3D Megadoodoo posted:No. Farmers farmed, vikings viked. The people as a whole weren't called vikings. The term "Viking" meant the same as "pirate." That means the NFL has three teams named after synonyms for "pirate": the Buccaneers, the Raiders, and the Vikings.
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NDP posted:The term "Viking" meant the same as "pirate." That means the NFL has three teams named after synonyms for "pirate": the Buccaneers, the Raiders, and the Vikings. Concept: a NFL divisional realignment, but it's based on what you're named after. The Ungulate Division this year would have have a winner at 5–12, incidentally.
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Saladman posted:I was wondering why he had like, Bulgaria and Croatia as "food too good to be white". I’ve been there and still have no clue what Croatian or ex-Yugoslav cuisine in general is like, nor Bulgaria. I don’t remember it being very Turkish inspired. I remember it as just like… completely generic "European food", like here’s a steak, or a fish, and here some standard vegetables as a side. Here is a salad with lettuce and some other stuff sprinkled in it. Etc. Maybe his grandma has like one dish that’s specific. If Switzerland didn’t have fondue and raclette it would be the same cuisine as I’ve had in the Balkans, besides Greece and Turkey. I ate at a Bulgarian restaurant once and it was def in the same genre as Greco-Turkish-Levantine.
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TinTower posted:Concept: a NFL divisional realignment, but it's based on what you're named after. Bison are ungulates?
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TinTower posted:Concept: a NFL divisional realignment, but it's based on what you're named after. quote:A Proposal for Reorganization of Divisions within the NFL
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The Titans didn't dwell in the sky, the sky was their father.
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NDP posted:The term "Viking" meant the same as "pirate." That means the NFL has three teams named after synonyms for "pirate": the Buccaneers, the Raiders, and the Vikings. People like the idea of taking what they want and living as they please. Everyone is trapped in various systems and just want to live.
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:People like the idea of taking what they want and living as they please. Everyone is trapped in various systems and just want to live. H. L. Mencken posted:Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
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Issaries posted:That's true about Europeans, but English aren't Europeans. what's European about a bunch of Nordics, Italians, Germans and French?
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