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Megillah Gorilla posted:Well if it's racism you're looking for, British shows from the 70s are the loving motherlode. I remember when I first learned about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_and_White_Minstrel_Show and how it was on the BBC for twenty years.. I thought "that can't possibly be real" and holy poo poo I was wrong
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Vandar posted:I went to look up Sinfest out of morbid curiosity (wanting to see how much worse it's got since the last time I've looked) and the newest comic features Pepe. Sinfest is impressive levels of brainworms. Though not surprised about Megatokyo going into the transphobia as well, a key thing among a certain Type of Guy mentally stuck in the 90s/00s is casual objectification of women (under thin veneers of ideas they consider progressive and/or fun) basically as a substitute for a personality. The idea that there may be women who do not meet their sexual preferences is seen as a personal attack.
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I don't think Megatokyo went to the transphobia well, I just think they were mixing it up with Sinfest. If Megatokyo did go that way, I can't find anything at all about it.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Edit: This is a from few years after, but I just remembered that in The Boys the superhero team almost prevented 9/11 only to negligently reroute one of the hijacked planes to hit the Brooklyn Bridge instead of the Twin Towers. weirdly I just realized that the Pentagon plane is never mentioned
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Vandar posted:I don't think Megatokyo went to the transphobia well, I just think they were mixing it up with Sinfest. Yeah that was just me realizing those were two different things. Like goon face blindness but for bad web comics.
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Snackmar posted:I remember when I first learned about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_and_White_Minstrel_Show and how it was on the BBC for twenty years.. I thought "that can't possibly be real" and holy poo poo I was wrong Holy gently caress this is bad. Wikipedia posted:David Hendy, Professor of Media and Cultural History at Sussex University, comments that Barrie Thorne, the corporation's chief accountant, described the series in an internal memo to Director of Television Kenneth Adam in 1962 as being "a disgrace and an insult to coloured people". He continued: "If black faces are to be shown, for heaven’s sake let coloured artists be employed and with dignity".[12] Thorne raised the issue again in 1967 with Oliver Whitley, Chief Assistant to the BBC's director general Sir Hugh Greene. Whitley responded: "The best advice that could be given to coloured people by their friends would be: 'On this issue, we can see your point, but in your own best interests, for heaven's sake, shut up.'"[12][13][14] People were fighting against this show in 1962, and it ran until 1978.
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Now do "Love Thy Neighbour"
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kquote:Since 1972, when Love Thy Neighbour was first transmitted, it has been criticised for its poor handling of issues of racism. It was made in an era when Britain was struggling to come to terms with mass immigration, and Love Thy Neighbour was said to exemplify those difficulties.[2] According to writer Sarita Malik, this meant "comedies about race" were really about "blacks signifying trouble" so that consequently "if the White characters did display prejudice, this was deemed funny or understandable given the 'difficulty of the situation'."[3] So "All in the Family" but worse. quote:Its writers stated that each episode included both anti-white and anti-black sentiment.[4] quote:In Malik's opinion, in this "mutual racism", racist attitudes were "shown as a reciprocal, inevitable and petty process" rather than being faced with any challenge.[3] As a result, academic Nora Plesske maintains that the premise continued without any change in attitudes or permanent resolution of the conflict.[5] A very British way of saying "This show sucked and accomplished nothing. If anything it did a lot of harm." quote:The views of the main white male character (Eddie Booth, played by Jack Smethurst) were presented so as to make him appear ignorant and bigoted and were contrasted with the more tolerant attitude of his wife. "In nearly every show, the white neighbour was shown to be wrong", Rudolph Walker wrote in 2001.[1] A contemporary reviewer in the Daily Mirror, Mary Malone, believed "the only characters who leave the screen with their dignity intact are the blacks. Now that's what I call prejudice."[6] So absolutely "All in the Family" but worse. quote:The main male black character (Bill Reynolds, played by Walker) was better educated, although also stubborn and capable of using insulting phrases, such as the terms "Honky", "Snowflake", "Paleface" or "Big White Chief" to describe his white neighbour (often in response to being called "nig-nog" or "Sambo"). The comedy invariably fixated on the "Blackness" of Bill and Barbie or rather, as Malik expressed it, "television's interpretation of Blackness (limbo-dancing, voodoo/Black magic)."[3] Other black stereotypes, such as regular references to cannibalism from the first episode onwards, became a running joke.[7] Shitheads and making false equivocations about things that have very different connotative history, the definitive combo platter.
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quote:(often in response to being called "nig-nog" or "Sambo") I don't mind racially charged comedy, but you know, comedy usually contains jokes. Where's the joke in here? What is the funny bit?
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mind the walrus posted:A contemporary reviewer in the Daily Mirror, Mary Malone, believed "the only characters who leave the screen with their dignity intact are the blacks. Now that's what I call prejudice. 
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DACK FAYDEN posted:No they didn't! ...well yes they flew the plane into the Bridge, but the other planes in NYC got shot down by the military on the president's orders before the vice president brained him with a fire extinguisher to be able to order the supes to take down the last plane My bad. It's been a few years since I've read it.
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Fish of hemp posted:I don't mind racially charged comedy, but you know, comedy usually contains jokes. The joke is that it's "banter" and "haha we're all equal right wink wink" because "both sides" "have words that mean [bad]" wink wink wink wink wink lol
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Rochallor posted:0. drat this art is bad. I'm not a comics guy but surely Doom has canonically done stuff that's objectively worse than 9/11, right?
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The Moon Monster posted:I'm not a comics guy but surely Doom has canonically done stuff that's objectively worse than 9/11, right? Almost certainly.
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Including at least attempting to launch high profile NYC skyscrapers into space.
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The Moon Monster posted:I'm not a comics guy but surely Doom has canonically done stuff that's objectively worse than 9/11, right? Is making a woman fall in love with you, then magically skinning her and turning her skin into a skin suit count as more or less worse objectively?
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Randalor posted:Is making a woman fall in love with you, then magically skinning her and turning her skin into a skin suit count as more or less worse objectively? Was she American?
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Cool Kids Club Soda posted:Was she American? Latvarian, and I misremembered, she was actually Dr Doom's first and only girlfriend, not someone currently in love with him. But still magically flayed and turned into a skin suit.
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The Moon Monster posted:I'm not a comics guy but surely Doom has canonically done stuff that's objectively worse than 9/11, right? The only plausible defence for Crying Doom is that as a rule Doom doesn't do things without a reason. He's utterly ruthless and he'll kill without qualm to reach his goals, but killing people has never really been his goal. He's too much the megalomaniac to want less people alive for him to rule over. That said, an alternate explanation is that he's upset because he wanted to do it.
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He was going to turn the towers into big death rays and aim them directly at the Baxter building to destroy that fool Richards once and for all and he was just upset that his plans were foiled.
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I’ve always figured the explanation was that Doom is a fictional character with fictional schemes that impact fictional people. In that comic, the character of Doctor Doom is breaking the fourth wall and reacting to the real life tragedy that cost actual people their lives. Whether you think that’s in good taste or not is a different matter, of course.
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Jedit posted:The only plausible defence for Crying Doom is that as a rule Doom doesn't do things without a reason. He's utterly ruthless and he'll kill without qualm to reach his goals, but killing people has never really been his goal. He's too much the megalomaniac to want less people alive for him to rule over. Yeah, depending on the author Doom would have been upset, but more in the sense of pledging to rain death and destruction on the perpetrators than bawling in the middle of NYC.
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Phylodox posted:I’ve always figured the explanation was that Doom is a fictional character with fictional schemes that impact fictional people. In that comic, the character of Doctor Doom is breaking the fourth wall and reacting to the real life tragedy that cost actual people their lives. Yes we've known that for 22 years. It's just good fun because there's literally nothing else to be done with it other than laugh at how mawkish and stupid it is.
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Randalor posted:Latvarian, and I misremembered, she was actually Dr Doom's first and only girlfriend, not someone currently in love with him. But still magically flayed and turned into a skin suit. So no
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I always figued that maybe there were Latverian diplomatic offices and staff in there..? Doom used to be depicted doing a lot of government-y stuff in NYC and waving around his diplomatic immunity at frustrated superheroes who weren't allowed to do anything
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On the one hand, I feel like Doom would be genuinely upset over 9/11 because "see what happens when you fools do not allow Doom to run your societies and curb your violent natures? This would not happen in a world under Doom's loving but firm rule!" Heck, I think his characterization at times would also even allow that he is genuinely in his own way sad about the loss of life. On the other hand, Doom would totally see crying as a sign of weakness, and Doom is not weak. You can easily justify Doom being upset about 9/11 but I don't think you can justify, in-universe, Doom crying in public over anything, ever.
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It was a malfunctioning Doombot.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:It was a malfunctioning Doombot. He makes some of them lovely on purpose so the normal ones fly under the radar.
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Volcott posted:He makes some of them lovely on purpose so the normal ones fly under the radar. "Please excuse Doombot-903, he is an idiot. Doom programmed him wrong, on purpose, as a joke."
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Magneto was upset for all the mutants who died in the attacks.
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Ambitious Spider posted:Magneto was upset for all the
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Brawnfire posted:He perceived the great irony yeah he's got magnet vision.
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Snackmar posted:I always figued that maybe there were Latverian diplomatic offices and staff in there..? Doom used to be depicted doing a lot of government-y stuff in NYC and waving around his diplomatic immunity at frustrated superheroes who weren't allowed to do anything I love how writers wave "diplomatic immunity" around like it's a magic get out of jail card for anything. Same with that Lethal Weapon sequel where the south African diplomat can waggle his diplomatic passport at the cops and walk away from murder and drug smuggling. Real diplomats use it to avoid traffic and parking tickets. Anything major and there's an international incident, the perp is at the very least sent home, and the host country does its best to get the person charged there. Which if you're the US can mean a lot of things. Unless the host country convinces the home country to revoke their diplomatic status in which case it's a trial.
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MrUnderbridge posted:I love how writers wave "diplomatic immunity" around like it's a magic get out of jail card for anything. Same with that Lethal Weapon sequel where the south African diplomat can waggle his diplomatic passport at the cops and walk away from murder and drug smuggling. Real diplomats use it to avoid traffic and parking tickets. Anything major and there's an international incident, the perp is at the very least sent home, and the host country does its best to get the person charged there. Which if you're the US can mean a lot of things. Reminds me of - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Harry_Dunn
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MrUnderbridge posted:I love how writers wave "diplomatic immunity" around like it's a magic get out of jail card for anything. Same with that Lethal Weapon sequel where the south African diplomat can waggle his diplomatic passport at the cops and walk away from murder and drug smuggling. Real diplomats use it to avoid traffic and parking tickets. Anything major and there's an international incident, the perp is at the very least sent home, and the host country does its best to get the person charged there. Which if you're the US can mean a lot of things. I wonder if the media perception of diplomatic immunity has residue of colonial extraterritoriality because European powers were really big on making their agents above the law basically everywhere in the world in the 19th century.
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MrUnderbridge posted:I love how writers wave "diplomatic immunity" around like it's a magic get out of jail card for anything. Same with that Lethal Weapon sequel where the south African diplomat can waggle his diplomatic passport at the cops and walk away from murder and drug smuggling. Real diplomats use it to avoid traffic and parking tickets. Anything major and there's an international incident, the perp is at the very least sent home, and the host country does its best to get the person charged there. Which if you're the US can mean a lot of things. The best version of this is when the Joker kills Robin and is then hired by the Ayatollah Khomeini to be the Iranian ambassador to the US, which means he can’t be prosecuted for killing Robin. And then he shows up at the UN in a turban and tries to kill everyone with Joker gas because that’s what Khomeini hired him to do.
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MrUnderbridge posted:I love how writers wave "diplomatic immunity" around like it's a magic get out of jail card for anything. Same with that Lethal Weapon sequel where the south African diplomat can waggle his diplomatic passport at the cops and walk away from murder and drug smuggling. Real diplomats use it to avoid traffic and parking tickets. Anything major and there's an international incident, the perp is at the very least sent home, and the host country does its best to get the person charged there. Which if you're the US can mean a lot of things. Fool! Doom is immune to diplomacy!
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I AM GRANDO posted:The best version of this is when the Joker kills Robin and is then hired by the Ayatollah Khomeini to be the Iranian ambassador to the US, which means he can’t be prosecuted for killing Robin. And then he shows up at the UN in a turban and tries to kill everyone with Joker gas because that’s what Khomeini hired him to do. You can't just mention that without showing the panels: https://www.cbr.com/batman-joker-iran-ambassador-retcon-qurac/ Unsurprisingly that was eventually retconned into being Qurac, their go-to fake Middle Eastern country.
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