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pumpinglemma posted:I think literally no-one itt is saying that. Someone brought in a comparison to the luddites and then people started pointing out that for the duration of their own lifetimes the luddites were right. (To be clear, I agree this was due in large part to poo poo like the enclosure acts rather than the technology itself, but our current governments are hilariously evil and corrupt as well so that's not a great counter-argument from the viewpoint of AI.) Epic High Five posted:An assault rifle is just a tool, too. Same with bombs and rat poison. This is where the whole derail started from, I think we've all learned a lot since then. shoeberto posted:How many folks itt debating ChatGPT have been involved in shipping a product to market based on ML/AI/big data? I've been involved in some big data stuff and looking at ML solutions. It's tough!
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pumpinglemma posted:We are failing to clear the bar of "almost everyone in the US and Europe is able to afford food and housing" for the first time since what, the 1920s? Both are certainly worse in the UK than they have been at any point since the second world war. edit: 1920 not 2020 Vegetable fucked around with this message at 00:17 on Jan 30, 2023 |
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I still don't see the point of using the stupid thing as a writing or researching aid past the level of propaganda/misinformation. What good is a 16 page output going to do me if I have to spend more time verifying and researching said output than I would researching the topic myself and writing my own report based on my own research? How do I know this scientific paper hasn't been ruined by a hidden cherry-picking bias in the AI? What happens if new scientific discoveries are made, but they get ignored since they aren't prominent enough for the AI to notice? Or if they do get noticed, since the AI can't tell even numbers from uneven numbers, how is it supposed to judge the authenticity of the new science that contradicts things that used to be accepted as fact? If an AI manages to eventually get accepted into a courtroom and somehow manages to actually win on a deeply flawed argument that it doesn't understand, what happens then when later trials cite that ruling as established precedent? If I use the AI to babble out a wall of technical specs with no relation to reality and I manage to secure funding for said project, what exactly did anyone gain from this project being a massive failure and waste of public funds (aside from the scam artist pretending to be a professional)? As far as I understand it, the AI can rephrase things, replicate art styles, spam out a lot of barely functional niche code and state things in authoritative wording without a single clue about its actual statement. So it can lie effectively, but not be used for fact checking and not be relied upon for truth or accuracy. It can plagiarize, but not actually create originally. It can do low level grunt work in IT, but it can't make it reliably functional, so it has just shifted the grunt work of writing the code over to the grunt work of fixing someone else's lovely code. So what's the point?
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SerthVarnee posted:I still don't see the point of using the stupid thing as a writing or researching aid past the level of propaganda/misinformation. It feels like the situation with self driving right now. What's the point of using self driving if you have to remain 100% vigilant the entire time because it may fail catastrophically at any moment?
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Vegetable posted:In New York 73,000 households were registered as homeless in Spring 2020, compared to 70,000 now. You calculate the proportions.
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pumpinglemma posted:...doesn't New York have a government-enforced income-based rent cap?  no
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Rent caps technically exist, but there are a bunch of loopholes that landlords can and do exploit to get around them.
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San Franciscans Keep Calling 911 About Baffling Self-Driving Car Behavior Cruise receives the vast majority of complaints, including boxing in buses and trying to drive over fire hoses during active firefighting. https://www.vice.com/en/article/93apqv/san-franciscans-keep-calling-911-about-baffling-self-driving-car-behavior quote:People called 911 to report dangerous, traffic-clogging, or otherwise simply baffling self-driving car behavior for 92 separate incidents in San Francisco during the last six months of 2022, according to a letter sent by local transit officials to a state regulator.
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It is nothing short of lunatic behaviour to allow the testing of autonomous vehicles on public roads under any circumstances, except under the following conditions: a) there is a safety driver, who is held responsible for traffic offenses as if they were driving b) the corporation responsible for the development of the AV, and anyone involved in the testing of the AV, are jointly and severally liable for all damages (including delays to other traffic) caused by the vehicle
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PT6A posted:It is nothing short of lunatic behaviour to allow the testing of autonomous vehicles on public roads under any circumstances, except under the following conditions: Oh when destruction derby drivers smash into everything it's considered "fun" and "entreating" but when AI's vehicles do it on the streets it's considered "insane", "incredibly dangerous" and "criminally negligent"? I see a double standard here!!!!
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An AV demolition derby would actually be fun as gently caress, and a good proving ground for generalized autonomy/AI. Good idea, old chum!
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PT6A posted:An AV demolition derby would actually be fun as gently caress, and a good proving ground for generalized autonomy/AI. Good idea, old chum! ...What could possibly go wrong?
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That's the central plot of Maximum Overdrive.
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PT6A posted:An AV demolition derby would actually be fun as gently caress, and a good proving ground for generalized autonomy/AI. Good idea, old chum! yeah, and for extra fun why don't we give the cars guns and missiles
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Full sized Robot Wars, hell yeah.
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Vegetable posted:In New York 73,000 households were registered as homeless in Spring 1920, compared to 70,000 now. You calculate the proportions. I'm a Luddite now. Utilitarianism always leaves the disadvantaged to die.
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:yeah, and for extra fun why don't we give the cars guns and missiles Excuse me, this is the tech nightmares thread, not the tech wet dreams thread
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:yeah, and for extra fun why don't we give the cars guns and missiles According to the mid-90s documentary Twisted Metal, it will be completely awesome.
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Vegetable posted:In New York 73,000 households were registered as homeless in Spring 1920, compared to 70,000 now. You calculate the proportions.
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I was terribly disappointed when I found out Robot Wars is just remote controlled. Would be much more interesting with actual combat AI.
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The robots would have to be much bigger to fit a computer inside them unless they had really rudimentary (like FPS mobs) level AI, then you could get by with a Raspberry PI equivalent board. Of course, you really don't need much more than "charge at enemy, use weapon" in most of those battle bots competitions, so I guess it could still work.
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Kwyndig posted:Of course, you really don't need much more than "charge at enemy, use weapon" in most of those battle bots competitions, so I guess it could still work. I mean you would definitely need a way of identify and tracking the other robot. How else could you get you're robot to face the right way and play your_mom_was_a_fleshlight_you_bargain_bin_ewaste.mp3?
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i’m not really sure how google spider works these days. what prevents it from finding and adding millions of chatgpt-created pages/posts to google’s search database? surely google’s policing this in some way?
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Sensor data would probably be a pretty big issue, especially given that cameras are a massive weak spot. It would also massively drive up build costs. Probably the best way to do it would still be to make the robots remote-controlled, but hand over the remote to an AI and give all competing AIs access to camera data from the arena. e: abelwingnut posted:i’m not really sure how google spider works these days. what prevents it from finding and adding millions of chatgpt-created pages/posts to google’s search database? surely google’s policing this in some way? pumpinglemma fucked around with this message at 13:22 on Jan 31, 2023 |
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My problem with the chatgpt wave of hype is it looks like the exact same people who got into Crypto all over again. The same sort of braindead logic and euphoria from it being a new discovery to them while categorically ignoring any downsides or even general analysis of what they're getting out of it (and what they're doing to the dataset). In short, people lack a personal quality filter, critical thinking, or fail to understand that a tool is a tool and there can be very good and very bad implications, simultaneously - from this. I tried it out and it gave me bad code, people said give it very specific tasks to make it work. It was nice to have some reference towards a code idea I was working on, but that's all. Am I going to benefit spending 10hrs trying to figure out how to work prompts for chatgpt to then ask for code again that I could better ask human beings with knowledge? I'm going with no. It just feels like a novelty/niche.
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At least algorithmically generated content in theory has uses, unlike the complete non-starter of blockchain. But it'll probably take years and burn through a lot more bored venture capitalist money til the current craze finally dies off and something maybe useful surfaces from the ashes at this rate.
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notwithoutmyanus posted:My problem with the chatgpt wave of hype is it looks like the exact same people who got into Crypto all over again. The same sort of braindead logic and euphoria from it being a new discovery to them while categorically ignoring any downsides or even general analysis of what they're getting out of it (and what they're doing to the dataset). In short, people lack a personal quality filter, critical thinking, or fail to understand that a tool is a tool and there can be very good and very bad implications, simultaneously - from this.
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Perhaps the scams are going to be harder to execute now that free investor money is starting to dry up
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:yeah, and for extra fun why don't we give the cars guns and missiles Interstate 76 was such a good game
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AvesPKS posted:Interstate 76 was such a good game Quarantine and Carmageddon too! The 90's were just a good time for car based combat it would seem.
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dr_rat posted:Quarantine and Carmageddon too! The 90's were just a good time for car based combat it would seem. It was a good time for games that were fun and casual. Games take themselves far, far too seriously these days.
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Sagacity posted:Perhaps the scams are going to be harder to execute now that free investor money is starting to dry up Crypto was tailor made for con artists and pyramid schemes so the comparison becomes muddy at a point. Serious orgs are throwing real money at this - see Microsoft. But I do think that tighter capital markets, less opportunity to get individual investors involved, and an overall higher technical barrier of entry is going to keep it from being a shitshow of that magnitude. Still, I'm maintaining my prediction that a startup will get naming rights to a pro sports stadium. It's going to be a company that makes generative content for dogs to watch when their owners are out of their house, something loving stupid like that.
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shoeberto posted:Crypto was tailor made for con artists and pyramid schemes so the comparison becomes muddy at a point. Serious orgs are throwing real money at this - see Microsoft. But I do think that tighter capital markets, less opportunity to get individual investors involved, and an overall higher technical barrier of entry is going to keep it from being a shitshow of that magnitude. Because serious orgs aren't throwing money at crypto? https://www.ibm.com/blockchain https://www.federalreserve.gov/central-bank-digital-currency.htm
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Unlike crypto, there are actual applications. Translation is a big one. Reproducing natural-sounding language has long been a problem along with the usual Blind Idiot Translation issues. My translation workflow has long shifted from google translating the rough draft and manually fixing up every single sentence, to dumping it into deepl and proofreading to fix difficult to translate spots.
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It's like random generation in video games in many ways; it has its uses, but it sure as gently caress isn't going to replace actual design entirely, especially when the novelty wears off. We have actually had at least one high profile game where level design was partly algorithmically generated to save development time- Balan Wonderworld. It was not well received.
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MonikaTSarn posted:I was terribly disappointed when I found out Robot Wars is just remote controlled. Would be much more interesting with actual combat AI. This is going waaaay back in my brain and good luck finding it for real, but I remember watching a news article about a team making an attempt at a fully autonomous one in the early 2000s. I assume that was for BattleBots. In order to have enough view of the arena, it was rather tall. I don't think it even won one round. I assume it just got knocked over from one of the million wedges people were using at the time.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:It's like random generation in video games in many ways; it has its uses, but it sure as gently caress isn't going to replace actual design entirely, especially when the novelty wears off. We have actually had at least one high profile game where level design was partly algorithmically generated to save development time- Balan Wonderworld. It was not well received. Morrowind was also procedurally generated and then touched up from what I understand. Daggerfall to go back even further. And yeah, people that don't think word association ai/machine learning is not powerfully useful are not people that have been exposed to foreign language work. I work in a foreign language a lot of the time and google translate and DeepL are more than my little friends. The same work a decade ago was a lot more hard work.
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Electric Wrigglies posted:Morrowind was also procedurally generated and then touched up from what I understand. Daggerfall to go back even further. Oblivion used generation, not Morrowind. They generated terrain then tweaked it by hand so they wouldn't spend half the dev cycle hand-crafting erosion marks in hillsides. The dungeons were still constructed by hand. The dungeons in Daggerfall were generated, along with towns and so forth.
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Blue Footed Booby posted:Oblivion used generation, not Morrowind. They generated terrain then tweaked it by hand so they wouldn't spend half the dev cycle hand-crafting erosion marks in hillsides. The dungeons were still constructed by hand. Oblivion's world was super bland after a couple of hours because of it.
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