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Turin Turambar posted:Imagine living your normal life, with normal glasses and not a bulky headset, but a friend can seemingly teleport to your current room and talk with you, seamlessly. He appears fully 3d, super photorealistic appearance, and the lightning from your window hits him 'correctly', and he is correctly occluded if there a table between you and whatever else, as if he was there. And you can interact with him and both can interact with virtual dashboards while you also prepare coffee and see your SO down the corridor. ron burgundy throwing computer into the trash gif
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Zero VGS posted:I wound up just buying the Pro controllers, and selling the Q2 controllers on eBay to make like $100 of that back. The controllers are the only great thing about it. How much battery life are you getting out of them? I thought about buying those, but I play long rear end sessions of PCVR games.
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Turin Turambar posted:Imagine living your normal life, with normal glasses and not a bulky headset, but a friend can seemingly teleport to your current room and talk with you, seamlessly. He appears fully 3d, super photorealistic appearance, and the lightning from your window hits him 'correctly', and he is correctly occluded if there a table between you and whatever else, as if he was there. And you can interact with him and both can interact with virtual dashboards while you also prepare coffee and see your SO down the corridor. What's a "friend"?
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Jan 31, 2023 19:15
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Sininu posted:Can somebody explain the appeal of AR/mixed reality? I see articles and videos all talking about it like it's the huge selling point, but I just can't see the point at all. Porn, but like going on everywhere in your house, all the time.
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Jan 31, 2023 19:54
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Norm has a hands-on with the Vive XR Elite which is their stand-alone headset. I haven't been following VR closely for a while so that's a new thing to me. Looks fine but not something I'd want. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=almTJ6qv9Uc
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Jan 31, 2023 19:59
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Turin Turambar posted:Imagine living your normal life, with normal glasses and not a bulky headset, but a friend can seemingly teleport to your current room and talk with you, seamlessly. He appears fully 3d, super photorealistic appearance, and the lightning from your window hits him 'correctly', and he is correctly occluded if there a table between you and whatever else, as if he was there. And you can interact with him and both can interact with virtual dashboards while you also prepare coffee and see your SO down the corridor. Still not seeing the benefits of having this hardware though, why can't he just come over and then my SO can see him too?
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Jan 31, 2023 20:02
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KakerMix posted:Still not seeing the benefits of having this hardware though, why can't he just come over and then my SO can see him too? If that happens they might have sex, hug, suck off etc.
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Jan 31, 2023 20:08
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I live 1,000 miles away from my best friend. Something like that AR presence would maybe be cool? If it worked. I can take it or leave it at this point, mostly because I've kind of grown out of listening to or believing in "someday pitches" from silicon valley, but having a layer of data available to inject into the real world, that is also aware of that world, is compelling stuff even if I don't trust our current techies or business minds to avoid ruining the concept in various ways, lol.
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Jan 31, 2023 20:09
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Kazy posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=almTJ6qv9Uc Seems like anyone with a prescription that diopter adjustment alone won't fix (which is actually quite a lot of people) will be out of luck. The headset is designed to have no extra gap between eyeballs and lenses (the better to deliver FoV) and really doesn't want anything else in there, and relies entirely on their dial diopter adjustments. The passthrough being good enough to read a paperback book and use your phone is pretty nice though.
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https://medium.com/@EchoGames/7f074dca1ed1quote:At Ready At Dawn, we pride ourselves on being open and communicative with our community. To that end, we have news to share… after many discussions internally and with our partners at Meta, we have made the difficult decision to shut down Echo VR.
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mutata posted:I live 1,000 miles away from my best friend. Something like that AR presence would maybe be cool? If it worked. I can take it or leave it at this point, mostly because I've kind of grown out of listening to or believing in "someday pitches" from silicon valley, but having a layer of data available to inject into the real world, that is also aware of that world, is compelling stuff even if I don't trust our current techies or business minds to avoid ruining the concept in various ways, lol. I'm about 1,000 miles from my best friend, and a nation away from another. We visit when we can, otherwise we social it up on the internet and over the phone all the time. For social interaction with AR it does sound cool, but it's friction. I'm typing this on my phone and I can also text my buddy right here and right now. If we want to AR the we'd both have to get our headsets on and prepare and set time aside. To get to the point where you are just always wearing hardware like a set of even normal glasses is a big ask. Likewise everyone gates and walls off everything so my _________ won't work with your _________. Productivity at an office fine, sure, collaboration and a time where you wear your company goggles. At home though? Gotta be a few more major changes.
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Lemming posted:https://medium.com/@EchoGames/7f074dca1ed1 poo poo. You don't have to 'support' it with new updates, but let the server running.
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Lemming posted:https://medium.com/@EchoGames/7f074dca1ed1 As it always was going to be~~~ Edit Watch them try to shove this into the metaverse
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Well, yeah. Any AR or metaverse pitch is always gonna start out with "First, pretend we solved all of the problems here. Now picture this!"
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Sininu posted:Can somebody explain the appeal of AR/mixed reality? I see articles and videos all talking about it like it's the huge selling point, but I just can't see the point at all. You get a new worker that has to work on some piece of machinery that is complicated and requires training. Instead of having to read a book, flipping through pages and then going back to the device, it shows the information in their space with annotated highlights guiding them through some procedure. Or, let's say you're a maintenance engineer who has to work on dozens of different aircraft and each one of them has hundreds of maintenance tasks. For training people working on machinery doing tasks, or even for people who have a variety of different tasks who haven't done something in some period of time, it is going to be a massive game changer. At least I hope it will, because my company is making that software and I have stock options now lol The Eyes Have It posted:Seems like anyone with a prescription that diopter adjustment alone won't fix (which is actually quite a lot of people) will be out of luck. The headset is designed to have no extra gap between eyeballs and lenses (the better to deliver FoV) and really doesn't want anything else in there, and relies entirely on their dial diopter adjustments. This basically matches my experience with our unit. I don't think people who need glasses are even on their radar, or at least I haven't heard anything from our contacts there. It's both better and worse than Magic Leap, because Magic Leap's solution was "oh buy these expensive lenses" and HTC at least gives you that diopter. I will say that at the 6 setting, I at least can make out letters so for testing it has been enough but luckily we have a different dev on that and it hasn't been an issue for him.
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Lemming posted:https://medium.com/@EchoGames/7f074dca1ed1 FUUUUUUUCK this is some dumb poo poo Meta should have been pouring development effort into this and making it their rocket league, it's one of the best multiplayer games of all time, and they're just killing it all my friends are incredibly bummed out I really hope what they're working on is a much improved echo 2 because there's nothing else like it 
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TIP posted:FUUUUUUUCK Unironically Echo Arena is probably the most important game in VR, and it's very, very clear that Meta doesn't know what the gently caress they're doing if they're killing it
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Turin Turambar posted:poo poo. You don't have to 'support' it with new updates, but let the server running. My theory is that it would take a lot of dev resources to port the game to whatever the Quest 3 is going to be running on. Meta doesn't want a cool, free game to only run on the older quests and give people a reason to buy the old thing instead of the new thing.
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Lister posted:My theory is that it would take a lot of dev resources to port the game to whatever the Quest 3 is going to be running on. Meta doesn't want a cool, free game to only run on the older quests and give people a reason to buy the old thing instead of the new thing. that really doesn't make much sense, there's no way meta is releasing a quest 3 that doesn't play the entire quest catalog
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You guys this is the same company doing the metaverse, there is no sense making logic. It's exactly what it looks like, out of touch, short term corporate decision.
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Sininu posted:Can somebody explain the appeal of AR/mixed reality? I see articles and videos all talking about it like it's the huge selling point, but I just can't see the point at all. I like the experience of VR. Actual 3D is just way cooler than flat images on a monitor. I don't like being completely sealed off from my real world environment. I'd like to be able to do 3D stuff while still being able to talk to my wife, take a drink, put my mouse down without having to hunt around for it like a blind man, etc. Now this gen of tech is probably still too bulky to be really giving me what I want, but if we can get that down to like a pair of ski goggles, I will absolutely wear that way the gently caress more than is healthy.
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I just like the idea of AR being a minimal overlay that makes it so that I don't have to be looking down at my phone all the time. I'm poo poo at directions and like the idea of being able to walk down the street and have a little path or neon arrow hovering above my destination. In the far future, I imagine AR will be doing wild stuff like providing overlaid fashion or full avatars for people all linked into the same system, or a kind of animated living home decor, or who knows what.
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Now you can mod boobs onto actual irl crabs as if you were playing Skyrim, but in AR!
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One day I like to imagine thin AR glasses would provide all decoration and entertainment media seamlessly, almost indistinguishable from the real thing But... my still-unfulfilled dream of hardware that can even emulate a movie theater convincingly after 60+ years of development in the field says nothing like that will happen in our lifetimes and probably not the lifetimes of our children Definitely not if the XR field continues to basically consist of finding out which hand-me-down phone hardware can be cobbled together in a marketable package
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Sininu posted:Can somebody explain the appeal of AR/mixed reality? I see articles and videos all talking about it like it's the huge selling point, but I just can't see the point at all. My company's education department (auto/service related) hired a middle man company to show us what Hololens 2 could do for service folks in the field in terms of training. They more or less did 3 things: -Show a floating DVD-style menu of how to videos floating in space. The benefit is you can have your hands dirty and on a component and still see the video at the same time, looking back and forth for reference with audio cues and your dirty finger as a pointer -Use the camera to snap images of your work and stopwatch your whole repair to compare it with others (purely performative stats) -Locate an outlet / bearing / cable purely by image recognition and a familiar space if you can't find out where to start the repair Guess what... they were able to replicate the entire experience on iPad and all employees found equal benefit in both. Especially more in the iPad since you can get an iPad for $230 or w/e. Absolutely no reason to invest in 4,000 hololenses in that case.
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How do you make Skyrim VR not suck? I spent like 10 hours configuring it and getting all the mods to make it not suck and it sucked real hard. Just a terrible experience.
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mega dy posted:How do you make Skyrim VR not suck? you use a wabbajack modpack
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KakerMix posted:Still not seeing the benefits of having this hardware though, why can't he just come over and then my SO can see him too? Well, if your SO also has AR glasses she will be able to see him!
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Turin Turambar posted:Well, if your SO also has AR glasses she will be able to see him! What if...instead of mudcrabs.... I mod my SO?
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It should be illegal to shut down multiplayer games without releasing the server software so people can run their own servers
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Lemming posted:Unironically Echo Arena is probably the most important game in VR, and it's very, very clear that Meta doesn't know what the gently caress they're doing if they're killing it I'm quite shocked tbh. Its the only "esports ready" game currently out. vails a loving joke, and nothing else is close. Plus its fun to watch unlike basically every other current game that tries to be an esport. ugh.
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mega dy posted:How do you make Skyrim VR not suck? I've been trying this with Wabbajack modlists. Tried Yggdrasil, everything was so different I had no idea what I was doing. It seems to work fine and might be a totally awesome modpack, and I might come back to it for a second playthrough, but I don't want to be learning VR Skyrim, relearning Skyrim after (checks) 11 years, *and* learning what basically amounts to a massive gamewide overhaul at the same time. Also it's super hard and seems balanced around the idea of IRL combat dodging. Next, I tried FUS. It's a somewhat more limited (but still very large) overhaul where you get to pick and choose what to add (beyond a lot of VR overhaul stuff like hand physics). Took some work to get it working, and even afterwards I'm having the occasional crash (not frequent enough I can't play, but annoying) but... it's a lot of fun. I'm not using the more intensive VR stuff like combat dodging or weapon throwing, but it still includes a lot of tweaks by long time Skyrim VR players to improve the VR experience, and of course your usual Skyrim mods like unofficial patches, more spells, etc.
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Lemming posted:https://medium.com/@EchoGames/7f074dca1ed1 That's quite a way to discourage anyone who bought in at all to not support the dev again, baffling. Simply leaving the servers on and not updating the game doesn't seem like it would have a huge price associated, especially if the game isn't that populated. This just seems self destructive.
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Duck and Cover posted:What's a "friend"? Well now let me introduce you to my good amigo replika.ai https://replika.com when the pie-in-the-sky AR glasses and "AI" chatbots like this eventually converge poo poo is going to get weird(er) fast(er)
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I'm pissed Echo Arena is going away. It's the one VR game that feels like the future. It's not a thing you can do in real life, it's easy to play and hard to master. I show it to non VR folx to get them into the idea of what VR is capable of. There isn't another game like it, it's my exercise and my relaxation. It's loving stupid they can't just give it to the people and I hate this.
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the fact it isn't happening until august and there's a meta gaming showcase and a quest 3 coming up makes me really hope that they're planning to announce an awesome echo 2 built for quest 2/3 even then it's lame to kill the original, but at least there would be a replacement I'm so incredibly ready to be disappointed though
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The old style of technological progress where earnest people build something people want followed by vultures stripping it of worth is exactly that, old. Meta is new, which is why they first thought of a cool payment processing system that will get them a cut of everything all of the time, and are now trying to figure out ways to make As an in-house studio, whatever comes next is going to be poisoned with that intent and it would be prudent to find (or make) something comparable because the next Ready at Dawn thing is going to be cursed.
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Gah, Im so pissed about this. It's like deleting soccer from the world. I hate this, it makes me very upset.
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Bad Munki posted:Think more work and less fun, definitely. I was at a NASA/ISRO conference and they had a mixed reality mock-up of the NISAR satellite in the venue lobby that you could explore, that was actually remarkable. Yeah I talked to a guy years ago that was an electrician for Boeing, they used some sort of HUD device like fighter pilots use for doing wiring in the planes. I assume they've since moved to these AR/MR type devices by now. The new Creative Director I work with spent the last few years jumping around the AR space working for a bunch of startups and says he's seen some really crazy cool tech, like auto-mapping rooms and objects for interactivity but he's afraid they won't see the light of day because the companies can't figure out how to make fun sellable games with it.
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Lemming posted:https://medium.com/@EchoGames/7f074dca1ed1 Wow. That wording doesn’t read like this is an Overwatch -> Overwatch 2 situation - it sounds like they were fighting the suits to keep it running and eventually lost. Echo Arena was f2p with paid cosmetics right? Which would imply that, despite the large playerbase, they couldn’t even sell enough skins to stave off the bean counters. Gonna laugh real hard when Zuck rebrands back to Facebook and pretends he’s never heard of VR
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